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4th
Dec 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 01:12 UTC
Hmm
Some funky stuff going on at GW.
FLG just canceled 95% of their battleforce pre-orders.
Said that GW is only sending a small number to retailers.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 01:31 UTC
So if anyone ordered them from FLGS, have them double check with their GW reps or you'll be in for a sad day next week.
Also interesting: We were also informed today that the Kill Team boxes will no longer be available for purchase and will be discontinued as soon as the supplies run out. The same options below will apply to your order.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 04 2018 01:49 UTC
Wow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 01:51 UTC
So yea, something funky with non GW stores I think.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 04 2018 02:09 UTC
The battle forces were heavily allocated to stores. Sounds like FLG didn’t send in their want numbers. I got also at my entire order.
The Kill Team box was always a limited item since you can get the rules separately anyway
^what my LGS store owner said
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 02:15 UTC
Nice, glad for that then :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2018 03:39 UTC
wait
they're nuking Kill Team already?
holy shit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 04:00 UTC
Just the boxes I guess?
which seems dumb
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2018 04:15 UTC
hopefully not the terrain boxes
those are the only way to get the mats, which are very good stuff
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 04 2018 05:03 UTC
Nah just the big box with the rules and stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2018 05:04 UTC
oh, not too bad then
was gonna say, the small force and terrain boxes are both critical for KT and the terrain boxes are massively good deals
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 09:22 UTC
on that Vigilus Contents page .. I see UM, Whitescars, Crimson Fistos ... but I might be getting mixed up isn't Kill Team based on Vigilus .. and RG are the cover boys for KT ... but no RG in the contents .. I has a confuse
their covers saves got so good GW completely lost them
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 10:12 UTC
that's a good point
I'm a little bummed about the Kill Team boxes going, but it's not a massive surprise
and yes, Kill Team is based on Vigilus
so, perhaps GW have lost the Ravens
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 10:29 UTC
marines already got a lot in that book... I think 7? detachments/sheets? Guess ravens just fell short and come with the next one or are they even on Vigilus? There's no wolves either
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 10:32 UTC
space wolves are on vigilus and do have a detachment
Space Wolves Stalker Pack
I didn't realise the Dark Angels were on Vigilus mind, but they do have a detachment
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 10:41 UTC
they do? Oh. Bangels?
I wasnt aware of that either and got pleasantly surprised ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 10:42 UTC
:wink:
the Ravenwing Attack Squadron
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 10:43 UTC
yeah, I ment the SW being there.. didnt remember reading that detachment
Ravenwing naturally caught my eye :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 10:43 UTC
they obviously decided that someone on Vigilus requires a discussion with the Interrogators
hehehehe
but yes, no Blood Angels
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 10:44 UTC
  • spends cp
    "that bunker knows about the fallen! Get it!"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 10:44 UTC
hehehehe
it could be a CP for a jink save
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 04 2018 10:45 UTC
The fluff in the Marines box for KT (which is Wolves branded) is set on Vigilus.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 10:46 UTC
if I remember right, RW get a jink after advancing... 4++ I think
which fucks you over if you dont get first turn.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 10:49 UTC
so perhaps this detachment get that all the time?? whether they advance or not
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 10:50 UTC
might be.. or +1 to hit if targetet by a landspeeder or the like for bikes as was in 7th... overwatch for landspeeders for units within 6"... lots of options.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:07 UTC
it's all so very exciting
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:09 UTC
looking forward to seeing what the tank company does ^^
in fact, all of the guard ones have potential
but i just really want a russ army to work :stuck_out_tongue:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:11 UTC
surely this will make soup even more tasty
well, imperial soup at least
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:11 UTC
not sure. if it's expensive on the CP, you wont have much left over to fuel your knights
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:12 UTC
there is that, but if it is 1CP, like the ones we've seen so far... who knows!!
what kind of a benefit would it have to provide to make it better to go with pure Guard than imperial soup?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:16 UTC
i'm not sure. how do you rival a castellan?
probably something like invulns on russes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:29 UTC
are castellans really that hardcore??
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:34 UTC
they are if your opponent bought a list that can't handle them ..
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:35 UTC
:+1:
in answer to your question, from a personal point of view; I don't
because I don't have enough reliable anti tank
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2018 12:36 UTC
My usual version of the meta list actually has a hard af time countering knights
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:36 UTC
well... I can spread lascannons a little like a pox, but they are expensive and the stuff I put them on usually dies VERY quickly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2018 12:36 UTC
Especially chaos knights -.-
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:36 UTC
that's the thing about knights. you can either deal with them or you can't
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:36 UTC
I can handle a knight list if I can squeeze in 14 destroyers and 12 wraiths to tarpit one and slowly whittle another
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2018 12:37 UTC
But that’s also because I’m only running the BA battalion, a sisters outrider, and a knight SHD w/ gallant and 2 helverins
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:37 UTC
but I can't also score points and kill anything else
Chaos knights I find a LOT easier to deal with ... basically down to lack of any strats
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2018 12:38 UTC
Mr fister likes playing with other knights but the rest of my list basically needs to play keep the fuck away
@sk_Father_Price_twitter this is true; but my buddy plays berd wearers.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:39 UTC
to answer your question, Simon, it's the stratagems that tip them over. the castellan itself isn't all that crazy, but it is an amazing vector for knights' insane strats
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2018 12:39 UTC
Fluffy berd wearers
So half a million cultists and daemons
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:39 UTC
@GenWilhelm thanks lol .. and now I have berd is the werd ... berd berd berd ...song stuck in my head
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:40 UTC
i think you mean @alphalas lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:40 UTC
do you think this is a typical case of GW "not realising" people would play guard + knights as a CP Soup to use more of the strats than they originally intended??
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:41 UTC
whoops .. yea lol ... screen jumped up as i clicked
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:41 UTC
i think GW fully intended people to soup in order to gain CP. i just think they didnt fully put 2 and 2 together WRT companions and castellans
then you combine that with the stacking of buffs to get a 3++, and the stratagem that lets you ignore your backets
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:46 UTC
fully agree ... the Imperium works on it's allies ... and CP fuels that and gives it all the options to field lists vs any Xenos or Heretic threat .
Xenos and other 'pure' factions need the tools in built to bring a similar threat .. and that needs to be in more CP generation to be on a par.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:46 UTC
that's what I meant, and that's how it feels
I wonder if GW feels the same, and what they'll do about it??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:49 UTC
i dont really see a way to fix the knight situation without either nerfing the castellan into unplayability, or drastically changing the way soup works
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:50 UTC
I hope they do - and anyone asking to 'nerf soop!' is only in for disappointment .. soup is a huge toolbox full of all the special expensive (in CP) toys. Pure should have the ability to spam cheap toys more repeatedly to keep up .
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:50 UTC
soup could be - x CP per additional faction??
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:50 UTC
basically give Crons moar CPs!!
I'm petitioning for more CP per detachmant that shares a codex keyword with your warlords
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 12:51 UTC
lel
ERMAGHERD BERD WEARERS
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:52 UTC
that would work too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 12:52 UTC
the underlying issue is cheap troops that give you a battalion, right?
so to fix that, you need to stop 180 pts battalions
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:53 UTC
loyal 32 is overrated
the strongest list rn is brigade + castellan
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:53 UTC
if you give an alternate method to get CP without resorting to L32 ... you give more carrot and less stick
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:53 UTC
and i dont see how you can nerf the brigade without gutting IG
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 12:54 UTC
first thought would be - reduce CP for detachment drastically and give CP based on pts used to equalize the playing field?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:54 UTC
see, cheap troops = guard, nids, orks and so on, that's fluffy
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:54 UTC
try this on for size ... Battalion 3CP .. Battleforged 5CP ... other detachments stay the same ... +3CP per detachment that shares Warlord faction (codex) keyword
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:55 UTC
using those cheap troops to gain an advantage "just because they're cheap" is the problem
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:55 UTC
well every faction does that tbf
how often do you see 3x 5 rangers, 3x 10 cultists, 3x 10 gretchin, 3x 5 fire warriors, etc.?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 12:56 UTC
so the correct solution, if you do not want to nerf the cheap troops, would be to cut on the advantage
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:56 UTC
Crons cheapest is a like 500 point battalion .. ... not all factions have cheap troop / HQ choices
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:56 UTC
hmm... to a certain extent yes
I mean, using a cheap battalion as a CP generator
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:57 UTC
again, everyone does that. eldar, tau, nids, orks, CSM all bring at least 2 battalions
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:57 UTC
and so, hence why I say it costs CP to build soup
and then you could extend that to duplicate detachments gain less CP's per repeat
5CP's for the first battalion, 3 for the second battalion...??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 12:59 UTC
i think it has to be less complex than that. something elegant that rewards not souping, rather than explicitly punishing soup
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 12:59 UTC
how many CP does the current top lists (BA/IK/IG vs DE+friends) average ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 12:59 UTC
I agree, my ideas aren't great, but I'm not a rules writer :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 12:59 UTC
diminishing returns on detachments?
brigade cp = brigade cp - number of brigades?
erh battalion
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:00 UTC
IK/IG is 15 + 1/BR. eldar are typically about the same (about 13-14), but with less regen
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 13:00 UTC
I hate bringing 2 batallions :(
not enough points left for fun things like wraiths and bikes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:01 UTC
only the first detachment of its type gives CP?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:01 UTC
that might work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:01 UTC
or every following only half, rounded down?
makes lists more about slots and less about detachment spam
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:02 UTC
so pure would need to be about 20-22 to keep up ... to bring anything worth taking .. my Nids / Crons can bring a crummy battallion + outrider and get 9-14 tops
that sounds like a stupid amount but the strats are pretty well costed ..
and Guard could actually work as a pure thing and never spend the CP they get lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
Guard + Soup is fluffy, but I think the benefit is not.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
yeah, that's my main complaint about guard. they have very few strats that are actually worth spending CP on
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
I must admit .. I like the AoS method .. or Kill Team ... where you only get a few per round that regen
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
perhaps the other detachments can only spend a portion of the army points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
that would be nice, Price
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
(I'm REALLY good at thinking up complicated ways of doing things...)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:04 UTC
tying it to detachments .. has created this mess
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:05 UTC
would go some way to stopping all the alpha strike
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:05 UTC
actually, I could get on board with that
and then each detachment generates a certain amount of CP's per turn
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:05 UTC
don't tell anyone that I mentioned something from "The Other Game!"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:05 UTC
big detachment = more CP's
but everyone only starts with 3 or something??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:06 UTC
yeah, though would would still need some at the start to use "before the battle" stratatgems
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:07 UTC
@GenWilhelm you mean relics etc. cause they could make the AL/RG type scout move ones that are now crappy into first turn before the first turn etc.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:08 UTC
yeah
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 04 2018 13:08 UTC
in the q+a at vigilus they said they were looking into cp and mono lists, but it would be in the vien of rewarding mono, not punishing soup
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:08 UTC
and deployment stuff, like deep strikes
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:09 UTC
yeah just move all that into T1 .. or actually make T0 into a phase/turn !!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:09 UTC
that's a key tenet of game design - dont punish players for doing what you dont want them to do; instead reward them for doing what you do want them to
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:09 UTC
T0 "the turn before the turn"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:09 UTC
and clarify all the rules that happen in a phase but at the end of the phase but before this thing happens that occurs after the other thing happened
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:10 UTC
rewarding mono lists would be good
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:10 UTC
DnD 101 - reward the activity you want to see
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:10 UTC
but then you return to the fact of "I can't use all my CP's with my mono-Guard army"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 13:10 UTC
Fuck, that, I usually reward players for destroying my carefully crafted plot entirely
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:11 UTC
that should be a key guard tenet ... Commisars shouting orders .. never lose their voice !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:11 UTC
maybe guard will get good CP-dumps with formations :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 13:11 UTC
Because when they do, it's to go to the other side of the damned planet just to chase down a lemur or some shit.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:11 UTC

@Kohato I don't need to reward that ... they seem to take an excessive amount of glee in doing that themselves ... gits!

Played a Vampire The Masquerade type game ... they ate all my important NPC's

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 13:12 UTC
If a commisar loses his voice, was he ever really a commisar? Or just a heretic pretender?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:12 UTC
but sometimes, they are so extraordinarily stupid that you ask "really?", they say "yes!" and then you are like "really?!" and they still dont get the hint and die.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:12 UTC
lmao. shouldnt have made them so appetising, Price!
i'm all for letting players do dumb stuff, as long as they know theyre doing something really dumb :stuck_out_tongue:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:14 UTC
one time our medic killed the guardsman with a critical failure in medicine trying to cure a non lethal wound.
still hasnt lived it down yet.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:14 UTC
hahahahaha
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:14 UTC
lol ... that's awesome
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:15 UTC
first and only time a player died.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 13:15 UTC
"I'm sorry, it's got to be amputated."
"But it's just a slight cut..."
"Who's the medic here?"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 13:15 UTC
"Whoops, that was your head, not your arm."
"John?"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 13:15 UTC
hehehe that's pretty brutal
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 13:15 UTC
"John?!"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:15 UTC
not played Only War yet .. only Deathwatch ... everyone only ever wants to play as space Marines ... and then wonders why they only have a 30% chance to kit a mutant with a bolter ...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:16 UTC
was Dark Heresy, 1st ed
try dark heresy with the thingy book.. lets you create 2 characters, an acolyte for investigating and once that is done you call in the marines for the dakka
best of two worlds
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:18 UTC
ooooh like Titan fall in RPG format ... Monologue-ing boss guy ... "Hey i'm talking here .. why are you activating that homing beacon" ... inquisitorial dude "Oh, no reason ... keep talking please!"
suddenly drop pods
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:18 UTC
thats pretty much it :D
remembers me of the time when the changeling gifted a corrupt planetary governour a rare technological artifact
turned out to be a teleporter homing beacon for the deathwing.
Didn't enjoy it as much as he'd thought
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:20 UTC

or if it were my guys .... Guy across the street looks like he has a strange purple hue to his skin, but it could just be the light down here ..

Inquisitor acolyte - calls in the marines

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:20 UTC
guy just had Cadian jaundice
@Thairne TTS ??? ... at lunch time ... Damn you ... not like I needed food
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:22 UTC
ah cmon. Old clip. Seen it a thousand times already :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:22 UTC
ALLRIGHT - FIRE !!!! press press press press press press press press press
welp, back to ep 1. ... summat to do for the afternoon
what is this about these fucking Ultramarines I keep hearing about !!
@Thairne cuuuuuuurse yooooooou !
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:26 UTC
huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
also, remember the episode where you could ask the Emperor questions?
the first one was MINE :D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 13:27 UTC
I'll get there
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 13:28 UTC
Yes, Father.
This is funny to me.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 14:45 UTC
Apta Dniwe ?
Why Khorn Loves Ponies
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 14:47 UTC

confused

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 14:47 UTC
Dirk says he sent in the first question to TTS .. and that was the first one he answered ... made no sense to me, but maybe it's because I'm not a fucking Heretic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 14:50 UTC
huh? waitamoment
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 14:51 UTC
yes pony boi ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 14:53 UTC
wrong episode
18.5 not 12.5 :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 14:53 UTC

slightlylessconfused

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 14:55 UTC
should've triple checked my patreon question, but governeur is a terrible word to type :P
gouvernör
gouverneueer
ääääööööüüüüüßßßßßß fuckthatthing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 14:56 UTC
you could have googled it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 14:56 UTC
Guv'nor
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 14:56 UTC
i noticed my mistake only when kitten read the question...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 14:57 UTC
Thayurn, thaaarrn, thuuueewwwrrnn
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 14:57 UTC
yes, that was awesome xD
now im slightly embarassed
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 14:59 UTC
not a bad question tho mate ... "Dears Emps - DID YOU NOT SEE THIS COMING ?!?!?!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 14:59 UTC
Yeah, bothered me for quite a while
I mean the man placed the void drag.... machine god on mars in the medieval ages
yet he didnt see those daddy isues coming?
I've since decided that is the Dr. Manhattan effect.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:00 UTC
can't see the trees for the wood
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:01 UTC
sounds reasonable
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:01 UTC
rather so far removed from humanity due to being 30k years old and with god like powers that he simply cannot relate to human needs any more... after all, everyone he liked/loved died 3000 times at the least.
like Dr. manhattan in the Watchmen. He loves humanity, but does not understand the indivual anymore.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:03 UTC
aaah i see ... so probably did see it coming .. but didn't register on his 'give-a-shit-ometer'
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:03 UTC
I mean it fits his actions - sacrificed billions of lifes and a lot of worlds for the benefit of all humanity.
nah he didnt because such pettiness is beyond him. Kind of an authist, he cannot relate to humans anymore, not because of some defect, but a simple result of getting jaded and less emotional over 30000 years of seeing friends die over and over and basically being... him
like some ant farm guy that loves his ants and cares for them, but doesnt break a sweat if a few ants die when moving to a bigger farm for them
and then gets confused when they rebel against him because of those few dead ones
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:06 UTC
nice analogy
:ant:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:06 UTC
antalogy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:06 UTC
smooth
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:07 UTC
yup ^^
Thats my head canon for the idiot he is while also being the supreme being
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:07 UTC
uhuh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:07 UTC
also fits the Guilliman-meets-emp-narrative in dark imperium
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:07 UTC
now, the real question would be "what did Emps say to Rowboat...?"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:08 UTC
that is something we'll never learn
just as the contents of theTerminus Decree
goddamn thats something I'm really dieing to know!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:08 UTC
It probably wasn't "You've been reborn with xeno tech, now get out of my throne room and die a glorious death to repent your heresy"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:09 UTC
more like "start a new crusade, conquer shit back and make shit right! Also, I didnt love you and you are just a tool."
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:10 UTC
I'm picturing Robby picking up Big E's skull and doing a ventriloquist act like "wow, you really are my favourite son, Robot"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:10 UTC
that is hilariously disturbing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:12 UTC
and disturbingly hilarious
something "Sisters"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:17 UTC
AoS bright wizard?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:18 UTC
could be
feels like a new condemnor
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:18 UTC
could i get a direct link to the image please?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:19 UTC
tyvm
yeah, that does look very ministorum
but could also be fantasy, as Dirk said
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:20 UTC
It could also be new torches at G-man's feet
Or any other place
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:21 UTC
Celestine 2
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:21 UTC
make it green fire and you got skaven
new doomwheel confirmed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:21 UTC
I was never a big fan of big ol' torches mounted on things like backpacks and whatnot
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:21 UTC
what about on the end of weapons? :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:22 UTC
the strongest list rn is brigade + castellan
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:22 UTC
it's not eldar, so fair enough
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:22 UTC
You wind up wasting points on things you really don't need in a brigade -- even though it's my "go-to" detachment
Take, for example, the entire FA slot
Too many points for what you get
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:23 UTC
it's only the elites slot that feels wasted to me
and artemia hellhounds might be the best unit available to guard rn
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:23 UTC
PCs, Commissars, and OotF are reasonably priced for what they do
Yeah...artemia hh are the one bright spot in that whole slot, tis true
But by the time you get around to doing FA you're really scraping for points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:24 UTC
i usually look at taking some combination of priests and astropaths for elites
but it doesnt feel great
and what do you mean scraping for points? 1400 is plenty of space for basically anything you want
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:30 UTC
Maybe we build our brigades differently
Maximum Pask with lascan and 2xpc and a Vulture Punisher, 2-3 basis and at least a Primaris Psyker or Astropath are kind of minimums for me
Especially the Vulture, now that we are in the Age of Gork (or Possibly Mork)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:32 UTC
oh, i'd go catachan
keep the infantry as cheap as possible and buff them up with straken and priests
throw in some mortars for good measure and you've got about 800 points left before filling in FA
More Emo Shrike is out
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:36 UTC
oh and there is little of interest in the Chapter Approved preview, unless you are interested in Open Play or Narrative
although.... should we support custom characters??
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:37 UTC
yes, it involves printing an excel sheet of a choose yer own adventure tables
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:38 UTC
lmao. we support custom LRs, so if it's in a similar vein...
is it just me, or is Marneus basically a Guilliman Lite?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:42 UTC
I literally just typed exactly that in whatsapp
Tiny Roboto
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:42 UTC
hmmm...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:42 UTC
same traits, same weaponry same "notice me Daddy!" ... just in idtty bitty format
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:42 UTC
funny how Calgar has higher toughness and more attacks than the Chaos dude
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:43 UTC
Gravis armour and a paired weapon rather than claw and spear
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:43 UTC
and also, the Chaos dude shows how badly the Abbaddon model needs to be updated
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:43 UTC
but Calgar halves damage
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:44 UTC
yeah, that's a pretty hardcore ability
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:44 UTC
what's the price difference? i imagine calgar will be like double the points
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:44 UTC
shrug
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 15:44 UTC
Calgar suffers from the same issues all muhreenz suffer from
Poor, very poor matching intention and actuality
He's a melee-centric unit that...um...walks everywhere. Yay?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2018 15:46 UTC
repulsor now. Only.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:46 UTC
is he a beat stick? i imagined he'd be a buff body, like his daddy
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:47 UTC
wondering about keywords .. if he can go in a repulsive
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:47 UTC
is he Gravis?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:47 UTC
yup
Calgar now wears the Armour of Heraclus – a custom suit of Mk X Gravis armour
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:47 UTC
then he takes up two seats
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:48 UTC
so, what we're saying is ... he looks fat in his new outfit and the airline charges him for 2 seats ? ROFL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 15:49 UTC
heh. something like that
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:50 UTC
not going to be laughing at him piling out with a squad of aggressors though .... that gon be nasty
banner bearer running up behind ... medic hiding in the bushes ... and they said deathstars were a thing past
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:52 UTC
yeah, that would be horrible
Calgar, 3 aggressors, primaris apothecary, primaris ancient = 10 bodies in the repulsive
Calgar is PL11, Worldclaimer only PL6
so roughly twice the points
the Calgar-Star would be great for holding objectives, but not very mobile out of the repulsor
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 15:56 UTC
it's just a rhino rush in size XXXL ... those aggressors would fall over too easy trying to run up the board
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 15:59 UTC
I murdered a squad of three the other week in one of my tournament warmup games
so I know what you mean
but them and the repulsor have a serious amount of firepower
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:01 UTC
did Calgar have Termy armour deepstrike ? wonder if the Gravis has a Teleport homer in it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 16:01 UTC
also, looks like Calgar's buffs are Ultramarines locked as shown so far
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:03 UTC
makes sense they would be. he is only CM of the UMs
and yes, terminator calgar has deep strike
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 16:04 UTC
yeah, but that makes him a little less of a mini-Guilli - because rowboat has Imperium buffs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:04 UTC
his main buffs are still UM locked though
but billy g. is lord protector of the imperium, or whatever
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:10 UTC
so a non-LoW, non-monster UM Buff bot beatstick for approx 220 points .... what's not to love ?
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter looks for stuff that applies to infantry that Calgar can do
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:11 UTC
fall back and shoot :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 16:11 UTC
hehehehe!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:12 UTC
honour the chapter, is that restricted to infantry?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:12 UTC
yup, Robot can't do it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:12 UTC
score one for the good guys!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:12 UTC
not that he needs to fall back
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:13 UTC
yeah, lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:13 UTC
he dies he gets back up again dammit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 16:14 UTC
Gotta love that D3 damage
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe mutters, "Laaaaaaame" under his breath.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2018 16:14 UTC
>power fists in 8e
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2018 16:15 UTC
Yes. Lame.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:15 UTC
yeah "Can rip a tank in half ! " .. I loled
surround him with all his primaris friends and do the Necron slow shuffle up the board ... dying in droves for the Glory of the Emperor
and actually getting back up like Crons too ... damn apothecary
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 16:23 UTC
my apothecary has been one of my MVP's since I started using him
it's handy when your storm shield guys get back up
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 04 2018 16:26 UTC
GETUP!.jpg
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2018 16:46 UTC
he also killed a BA Chaplain in single combat
and held out against many harlequin HQ dudes for several turns
and then was one of the last men standing in the final battle of the tournament
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 04 2018 23:00 UTC
I hope that's not all the changes in points :/
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2018 23:12 UTC
I'm guessing not