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Dec 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 01:46
Sooooooo
Everything (or almost everything) Slaanesh in Daemons is going down in points
DPs getting a points break
Cultists are definitely going up to 5 points
KoS, chariots, heralds, seekers and daemonettes are all getting the point discount treatment
suuuuh-weeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 01:56
KoS like....150 points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 02:08
So cultists going up to 5, eh?
Hmmmm
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 02:08
Indeed
However
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 02:08
Sure be a shame
If
Y’know,
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 02:08
Guardsmen are staying the same
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 02:08
Guardsmen did too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2018 02:27
IFS are 5, conscripts remain 4, so conscripts now have a valid reason to exist
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 02:31
^see,
?*
And it also means Elysians and DK aren’t overpriced anymore
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 06 2018 02:43
So ... Pretty much confirmed on all counts?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2018 02:53
multiple different sources are quoted at 5ppm guard now
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 09:00
@CrusherJoe source for that? I'd like to link that to my slaneesh guy. But DPs going down in pts... erh.... *cries in binary
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 10:11
yeah, i've heard guardsmen are going to 5ppm as well, but i've yet to see a source either way
and why are DPs going down?
people are literally asking what's the maximum number they can legally bring
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 10:31
in the faq they said "dp of X and dp of Y are different datasheets", if that's what you mean?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 10:34
that's exactly what i mean
"Q: I want to spam this unit - how many can I bring?"
"A: Just fuck my shit up, fam."
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 10:35
oh i get ya now,
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 12:24
even so, not seen that setup actually proven any use in competitive play ... the 'Chaos Princes Unbound' or CPU .. isn't rampaging around yet ... which considering they can sometimes get 10 S10 attacks with multiple damage , I thought they'd be ripping knights apart
maybe a points discount will draw them out of the woodwork
and if they get cheaper .. .I only Hope C'Tan come down a grade too ... cause 4 attacks and some mortal wounds is not worth 225 points iimo
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 12:27
but DP's being characters with wings... I just dont see why they need a pts drop. At least in "my" meta, those things are brutal
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 12:28
yup, I can't deal with 3 or 4 let alone 9
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 12:28
yeah, it's basically all competitive chaos players bring right now
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 12:28
2 at 1250 are a challenge
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 12:29
as many princes as you can fit, plus some screening
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 12:29
you just dont have the firepower to put them down quick enough (and those invul saves have saved one more times that I can count)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 12:30
playing a 1250 list tonight in a 4 player ... I'm taking a DDA, battalion and Spyders and scarabs ! .. mwuahahahh .. fear my cheese list
I think the Chaos dude will have a couple GUO ... it's gonna be messy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 12:33
so yeah, the admech tease on vigilus with the blue datapad was just fluff. GSC got the same on the community fb page 27 mins ago
get on with todays article damnit!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 06 2018 12:52
Dda are sexy. I usually run two on opposite corners of deployment zone
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 13:12
trying to think of things to use as slaanesh Daemon princes, so far i have the idea of converting a morathi model, but i'mma need a few daemon princes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 13:14
standard DP with power armour works as well, EC champion that got rapefucked into a DP
or basically any succubus model
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 13:20
I recommend both the creature caster Slaaneshi princesses
So
Unrelated
But
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 13:22
ah yes... I totally see why. Those huge, firm, voluptuous... wings...
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 13:22
deffinaty going to be getting those (forgot who they were so thanks for reminding me =P) but i mostly play at whw so don't want to bring 3rd party minis in, well not centerpeices like that,
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 13:23
Some of you probably remember I’m a Formula 1 fan; well this past season they got a new theme music - it’s freaking amazing.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:23

but i mostly play at whw ....

oh look at mister lucky over here ... no grubby FLGS for me, I only play at the home of wargaming lol

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 13:24
burned! xD
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:25
@alphalas ... I love the first few bars with the F1 car 'Vrrrrrooooooom!"
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 13:25
XD its only cos i'm too timid to go to the flgs, and i meet with friends from around the country
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:25
only messing, I just loved the humble brag
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 13:26
@sk_Father_Price_twitter dude it just gets better from there
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:26
"I don't buy 3rd PArty because Lord Duncan would judge me!"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 13:27
Like Im an OG halo theme fan
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:27
I don't really watch F1 .. but I don't feel the need to turn this music off .. it wouldn't be out of place in a Bond film chase scene
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 13:27
But I think this even beats the pants off of that
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:27
bit of a sad fade at the end there ... but that's a solid tune
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 13:37
i'm really starting to dislike the whole "lord duncan" thing
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:50
it almost got a bit too much when they started making videos ..
The thing that really grinds my gears is the sometimes "Snarky" replies on the Facebook page.
There's 'having fun with the clients' .. but it often crosses the line into something else and I don't like it .
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 13:51
well I like it
but I'm a snarky, sarcastic bastard IRL, so I guess thats par for the course..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 13:53
i love it when they're playful and engage the community without taking themself seriously
i will agree though, the whole "snarky" one-liners is a bit played out
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 13:57

I don't think I'd last 5 minutes replying to morons on facebook for my job though ..

Michael Douglas in 'falling down' would be as to a raised eyebrow in contrast to my reaction to idiots on social media

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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:07
community got active. Painting tutorial and few things showing up.. lets home the imperial detachments are next
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:08
they've been earlier than 4pm most times recently .. fingers xed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:10
Holy shit. D-fens!
Falling Down - Wearing that stupid hat.gif
I thought I was the only person that carries an affection for that movie. :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:12
nonono.<
every adult knows and understands that movie :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:13
@Thairne my "source" doesn't have a link until after pre-orders are up, if you catch my drift. :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:13
just like you grow from being spongebog to understanding thaddeus
ah yes. yes yes.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:15
I think my favorite part of what was told to me last night was something like "daemons got the bukake love fest from GW"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:17
this in contrast to the GK ... can't have them being 'TOO' good at killing Daemons now can we ... to quote Thanos "Balance, in all things"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 14:19
does your source say anything about GK/TS getting big boy smites?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:22
He said GK were getting the point discount treatment (not how many...he really doesn't like to give specifics because NDA) and something about "y'know, like Thousand Sons".
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 14:25
never know when gw might pull the "send different points to different people, see which combination gets leaked"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:26
yeah and the 2nd time ppl will KNOW they got sent different points and either check with other "informants" to confirm or be silent
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:26
you credit them with that much intelligence ? ... the same guys that leaked a 12 month old Beta Necron Codex that had the same errors as the release version
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 14:27
lol, that would be funny though. give everyone slightly different information so they know who's talking
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:27
give everyone different info and see which one gets the most hate .. then release that one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 14:28
the darkest timeline
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 14:28
ah thats the gdubs we know and love
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:28
and then bring the GW lawyer squad of old down on them
the 42nd Kirby Lawyers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 14:28
i dont think they'd deliberately spread misinformation though. seems like an easy way to lose people's trust
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:29
insert Terminator meme.jpg "Cease and Desist! and your motorcycle"
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 14:30
"i need your money, your credit card, and your bank account details"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:30
so .. y'all got your Xmas list in to Santa ? .. I'm trying to get a new Battlemat .. but left it to late for shipping in time :(
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:31
2 battleboxes. More than enough investment even from element games to keep me occupied over 2019 probably :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:32
yeah I might take the missus for a drive to Stockport and have a gander around Element
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:32
you're such a snobby lil' lucky basterd... :D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:32
hehheh ... yeah I deserve that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:33
first fox with WHW now you with in store shopping :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:34
I work just around the corner from the Forge in Manchester .. they invented Guildball I think one of my mates said ... but we try to taint it with 40K as often as possible ..
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 14:34
I actually just got a WH store that’s about 20 min away from me this year
It’s nice
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:34
an Actual GW store @alphalas ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 14:35
If I'd live in old Britain I'd be constantly shifting between hangover and giddy excitement over my next Samuel Smith Chocolate Stout.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 14:35
@sk_Father_Price_twitter yeah
Warhammer Allentown
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:35
Timothy Taylor is where it's at with the old boys round here
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 14:36
But my FLGS is 5 min away
So I tend to still give him preference
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:37

yeah my local is across the street .. but they have one table that's usually for DnD and the rest is MtG .. just can't get 40K going even though they sell small amounts

Have to drive into town or stay after work

Warhammer Allentown - just across the way from the golf course I see ... gotta say, from the satellite pic .. place looks nice !
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 14:43
Yeah my FLGS is in an old bank building so he has the old upstairs office space converted into gaming space
It’s really nice
He maxes out at 5 4x8s set up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:49
There are two GW stores in my area. An actual "Games Workshop" store in south Austin, and a "Warhammer" store in Round Rock. Both about 20 minutes away (which is pretty much everything in Austin). Plus we have Dragon's Lair.
40k-gaming.jpg
This is about 1/3 of the tables at DL
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:51
that place looks awesome
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:51
It's like Wal-Mart for Geeks
They may not have a lot of specialist stuff...but they have a huge inventory covering Comics, CCGs, RPGs, table top, and board games
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:54
mind you ... I'd end up divorced and sleeping on the floor there if it was local to me ... missus would never see me
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe shakes his head sadly
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:57
sorry Joe, I said the D-word ... and not Destroyer
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 14:57
Yeah...I get it. I compartmentalized my life for a long time. I no longer do that. The GF is on the Geek/Hobby Train with me. Different geekery, same love.
Doesn't bother me my man
I'm just sad for people that have to be "in the closet" with geekery
One of my favorite things about my girl is she raised her kids right
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 14:59
my first marriage failed when she got clean from WoW and I couldn't .. no work life balance and no money to do anything other than sit and raid.
new wifey is much better at making me do as I'm told and I'm okay with this .. 6 years clean and only have the one room in the house crammed with geekery lol ..
"can I just store one little box of terrain on top of the fridge?" was met with an icy glare ... I know my place
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:00
When her son got married, you know what I gave them as a wedding gift? A 6' long inch-grid battle-mat so they can play D&D properly.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:01
the Megamat or mondo mat ?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:01
I...uh...don't remember.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:01
life saver for DnD ...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:01
and then there's those that went through multiple therapies for depression because they can't find a wamen at all... so there's that.
*cough
Anyway, those guys really take their time unveiling the new article..
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:02
You know what I'm talking about, though. 6x4, looks like parchment with a 1" square grid, dry-erase marker friendly?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:02
yeah no kidding .. getting the itch just waiting for another leak
@CrusherJoe - yup sure do .. I have the Chessex mega mat, hex grid one side, square grid the other ... fills the whole table ... also grabbed the DnD board game Legend of Drizzt for the minis
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:04
I...really enjoy 5E
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:04
yarp ... was kinda nervous at first as it was very simplified .. but now .
it allows the DM to just run with stuff rather than trying to look up underwater encumbrance and swim speed of a semi laden shark
(not that that ever came up .. but obscure stuff is just a thing of the past)
"You're disadvantaged " ... the end
"Can I just do ..."
Disadvanatged
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:06
And considering my D&D career began when my age was in the single digits (Mom bought me the classic "boxed set" of D&D with the soap dice and everything when I was 9) and before 5E my favorite iteration was Advanced D&D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:06
"What about if I ..."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:06
Oh you guys would love the one story from my pathfinder group – trying to figure out how much damage dropping giant ice balls and ice walls on things does
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:06
DISADVANTAGED !
ok, here's one from 3.5 ..
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:07
I cut my teeth on 3.5 and then went to pathfinder
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:07
Is casting an cone of cold and fireball hastened ,, cumulative or multiplactive damage ??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:07
Pathfinder got out of control LOL
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:07
you know cause explosive steam
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:07
My buddy is trying to get a 5e game together to teach me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:08
My Pathfinder ground included Nick Rose (if any of y'all know who he is)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:08
But yeah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:08
We all kept trying to outdo each other with redonk character builds
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:08
One of our players was a winter witch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:08
My favorite was a barbarian cleric the group nicknamed "Murderball"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:09
halfling Sorc twin wielding wands riding a warforged construct ...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:09
Right before I'd start rolling to hit they'd chant, "Mur-der-ball! Mur-der-ball!" it was awesome
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:09
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:09
Literally the group turned into “can Jon’s sorceress or her pet meathead grind it to bits? No? Drop ice wall on it”
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:10
heheh
not trying to one up you or anything ... but the guys in my group weaponised bags of holding ... .sigh .. I lovingly crafted those encounters and the guys just Ate people
bastards
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:11
The most fun I had back in the day was in college playing GURPS. Our game master was a dude named Brandon that (last I heard) wound up being a writer for Steve Jackson Games. We would bring him an RPG system we wanted to play and he would GURP-ify it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:11
love 'em though
oh cool
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:11
Oh trust me we tried to do that too
But our DM just started throwing giant things at us
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:12

weaponised bags of holding

arrow of total destruction?

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:12
So we went back to dropping ice walls on everything again
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:12
bag of holding into a bag of holding ... end of the universe time .. or some such shenanigans
everyone with levels in rogue so "Evasion" got them out of the catastrophic blasts ...
I mean .. we may have wangled it back then .. it might not be right
but, it was fun
tadaa
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:14
Poggers
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:16
intercessor snipers with stalker bolt rifles ... Hmmmmm
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:16
yeah, that looks interesting.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:17
cybernetica cohort is weak though. Like not worth the CP-weak.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:18
so Raven guard forgot the pick up the Codex from bobby G ... no formations OR .. theirs involves the cover mechanic and they don't want to Anger the Masses with that just yet
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:19
hmm, battlecannon that does a flat 3 instead of D3 damage, underwhelming?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:19
warlord trait is weak as fuck, and turning kastelan heavys to assault when they're stuck in protector and cant move anyway... erh... yes.
Only maybe useful with Fistelans.
@Mad-Spy situational. It can add up, but in itself probably not worth it. But as I see it you can get the relic for free with the detachment, so... against assault armies, that might be useful
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:21
yeah I'm not seeing these shaking up the meta anytime soon ... not worth spending 2CP to get access and utilise
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:21
Idk I like the primaris one
But that’s because I’m running mostly primaris with my BA lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:22
2CP to snipe characters with stalkers ... no mortal wounds or anything
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:23
dont forget
as we currently know, these detachments cost cp and dont give any
so you have to add the opportunity cost of the detachment you would have otherwise to the cost
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:23
yeah, Iain, very underwhelming. Dd3 -> D3 is not worth a relic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:24
roll d6 instead of d3 is ONCE is not worth it compared to +1 on the roll ALWAYS.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:24
then again, if you're running pure russes, it's basically the only relic you'll have access to
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:25
I think they would add the CP as normal and then cost the 1CP to upgrade them
no one is losing 6 CP or 13CP on Battalions or Brigades to do this
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:26
right, reread the wording. Does not eliminate the benefits of the detachment beforehand
still, if I pay for something it better be an improvement to what I get for free...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:28

I'm hoping this is a pinky toe in the water test the community .. then release more formations in future with stronger benefits

So .. I'm hoping Necrons get the better ones in the second release lol

also .. see "First released Codex Syndrome"

ala SM codex hardly world breaking strats .. vs Orks ones last ... world of difference
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:29
makes sense that they start conservative when faced with the clusterfuck of 7E formations..
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:30
Idk I’m just fine with formations remaining plain and underwhelming
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:30
hey Decurion was pretty reserved when compared to fucking skyhammer
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:30
Leave them more for narrative play
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:30
sorry ... still bitter
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:30
but this is like nailing your foot to the floor for no reason at all
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:31
this is paying up front for a benefit, rather than conforming to certain restrictions, which makes it much more interesting from an army building perspective
with 7e formations you just saw the same few broken formations use the same few units
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:32
no doubt
I just think that the cost is not worth the benefit based on what we've seen now
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:33
Bear in mind ... we've not seen anything that might add more CP to armies ... these might end up being effectively free
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:33
i'm holding out judgement until we have the whole picture. except for on that relic - that's an actual piece of garbage
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:34
That relic battle cannon might we worth it on a TC
Shooting after Pask so you can juice it up with Overlapping Fields of Fire
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:36
but you dont need the relic to do that, you can do that with any weapon
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 06 2018 15:36
well just look at kastelan and what the detachment does for them.
Usually you either stand or walk 1 turn with kastelans before you turn into an immobile turret.
So turning heavy into assault makes them more mobile for 1 turn, allowing an advance/no -1 hit. Roll badly on your one-time-use warlord trait and there goes your entire benefit. Unless the relic, if there is one, is good, which I doubt, Id rather use that CP to get an extra relic and use the Autocaduceus...
Only thing I can see right now is the 3" extra charge if Fistelans become a thing with CA18 and a massive price drop on their melee weapons...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:36
The flat 3 damage is actually worth taking
Mainly because if there's a time when your BC lets you down, it's when rolling dmg
Flat 3? Yes, please.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:38
that's +1 D on average. compare that to any other relic, which typically gets 3-4 stat increases
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:40
I’m with joe on this one
Because my average is one damage
Averages are all well fine and good – until you take into account the persons luck. And mines pretty shit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 15:43
i dont put stock in luck, as humans are not good at perceiving averages. we remember the stuff that gets an emotional response (i.e. the highs and the lows), and completely forget all of those perfectly average rolls we make every game
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:44
I fully expext my DDA to roll WELL below average this evening .. so my perceived luck is coordinated with @alphalas lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:44
Yeah see I haven’t played enough in the last 4 months to have a nice average unfortunately
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:44
Moving sideways for a minute, played my first game of Blackstone Fortress last night. It's really quite good.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 15:45
Ask the dudes I play against; my dice hate me
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:45
ooh cool, you have it all painted already ?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:45
@sk_Father_Price_twitter, HAHAHAHAHAHA no
I don't paint.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:46
mate of mine owns the Fallout board game .. I just wanted to metallic up the BOS guy
but the models in blackstone are nice
if a little pointy and delicate
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:46
You can paint mine if you want :smile:. Next time I'm in Manchester, I'll bring thme with me.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:47
Airbrush and nuln oil wash FTW dude
it's why I play robots ... can't paint faces for shit
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:50
There's some really clever model design going on in it.
in the way they slice them for the moulding
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 15:51
yeah, noticed a few .. where the joins were along clithing seams and places where you might no notice a joint
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 15:53
quite a lot of them have seams down the middle of their heads.
or down the neck so the collar of the armour/clothing is where the seam is
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 15:54
Yeah as far as model design GW can't be beat
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 06 2018 16:03
ok wish me luck
Necrons taking on the Chaos filth again
laters guys
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 16:03
Good luck my man
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 16:09
hmm, AP -2 D2 storm bolters for 1 CP, that's pretty decent
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 16:17
Depends on how many Doms you can pack into one unit LOL
Also...looks like they're going back to something similar to the old 3E AoF system
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 16:19
those were some weird rules, "roll under/over the amount of models in the unit"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 16:21
Yeah. These look like they have...um..."casting costs"
What will make or break it is...is that "Test of Faith" 1d6 or 2d6
If it's 1d6 it's effing LAME
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 16:32
Probably d6 man
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 16:32
Probably. Considering you can get that 5+ down to 2+ or 3+
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 16:33
Yup
Ebon chalice is +1 to AoF rolls
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 16:33
i'm guessing imagifiers will be a +1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 16:34
so AoF are becoming the love child of stratagems and psychic powers?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 16:34
Hospitalers...maybe +1 as well?
Or maybe hospitalers will add +1 to whatever "healing" AoF test
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 16:36
seraphim, celestians (would set them apart from basic sisters), priests (probably not as they have prayers, unless they get changed too), celestine. could be + or could be re-rolls
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 16:56
Sister 1.jpg
Sadly....still true. But I'm almost -- almost, damn you! -- hopeful now.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 16:59
as long as they don't fuck up repressors
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 17:00
How would they?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:00
Oh @alphalas you sweet summer child
There are SO MANY WAYS they could fuck up repressors
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 17:01
mostly if they removed the fire ports
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:01
Step 1: remove fire ports
Step 2: points increase
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 17:01
i doubt they'll touch FW units
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:01
Step 3: go from there
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 17:01
the only thing they could do would be to bump the points cost
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 17:02
you'd stop at step 1 and take immolators :) , and there is no FW rules team anymore, its all one team
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:02
They need to drop the points for Repressors
You pay enough of a premium for the flamers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 17:02
Mmmmmmmmhmm
Sure
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 06 2018 17:03
although, FW don't sell them anymore, so unless GW is planning a plastic kit, they'll probably just keep them in the index
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 17:03
insert sure, whatever you say gif here
That’s my point
They don’t make them anymore
They’re more likely then not to just leave them as-is
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:04
Well since CA2017 proved GW can and will fuck up FW units
Nothing is off the table as far as I'm concerned
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 17:04
All CA17 did was up points though
That’s not the end of the world
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:04
Excactly.
Fuck up FW units.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 17:06
....whatever joe
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:07
The best part? "Like the sound of the above? Think it’s too powerful – or not powerful enough? Well, like we said, we’re looking for your feedback! Everything you send us about this beta codex will help us balance Codex: Adepta Sororitas when it comes out in full."
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe rubs his hands together in evil glee.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2018 17:08
what was that badcronym again; SEFS?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 17:08
rolls eyes again
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2018 17:08
Sisters Enhancement Feedback System
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:35
Wow BCB is back, but he’s just doing minor pedantry
I can live with this lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:43
Yeah, wait until we start arguing the interpretation of the Warphead stratagem #3952
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:46
What’s the actual rule?
I don’t have an ork dex to look at atm
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:46
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It doesn't actually say that you can't take it more than once on the same Weirdboy.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:48
And it’s before the game so you can do it multiple times
Wrk
Erk*
Uhhhh
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:48
I can see doing it to multiple Weirdboys, no problem.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 21:49
But once you use it once they're no longer a Weirdboy though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:49
I hate to say it, but rule numbah 1 might actually come into play
@tekton they don’t loose WEIRDBOY though
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:49
@tekton, they are still a WEIRDBOY, whether or not they might be a Weirdboy
Yes, we can almost certainly take it that it is intended to only be taken once per model, but that's not what is written.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 21:50
i understand where you guys are coming from
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:50
Yeah unless they FAQ’d it I’d say rule numbah 1 says BCB is technically correct
Remember, support all options RAW
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:51
:(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:51
Yeah
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 21:51
but "becomes" does move it from one state to another, which is the fun of RAI vs RAW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:51
Nope
Because it doesn’t say it looses the WEIRDBOY and gains WARPEAD
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:52
^^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:52
It becomes a warpead, the unit
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 21:52
I didn't say it loses it, which is the point, I get it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2018 21:52
The KEYWORD (which is what the strat keys off of) never changes unfortunately
It’s dumb and GW should feel dumb for not FAQing it
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 21:53
that is also correct
How to you become a unit you already are though?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 21:56
"to become a Warphead" doesn't actually mean anything though in game terms
there's no actual datasheet called "Warphead". It's just flavour text
I've emailed the FAQ address.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 21:57
But how would you become one again if you're already one? (ie how would you use it twice?)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 22:00
That text means nothing in game terms. There is nothing to stop you from using it multiple times. Compare with the Chapter Master strat, which explicitly says that you change the CAPTAIN for CHAPTER MASTER so therefore cannot be used more than once on the same model.
You are right that the intention would seem to be that you can only do it once, but RAW it can be.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2018 22:17
Broken clocks are even useful twice a day, I just try to equal that
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2018 22:27
:grinning:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 06 2018 23:19
Hey, He plays Orks, fancy that.
Also - yea - same time on multiple and/or the same weirdboy may not be intended, but it is certainly allowed in the current raw.