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8th
Dec 2018
Imgur is ... well it renames it so page number are gone, but album is in order. Zip is labeled pages
v1/v2 are different leaks and some things are blurred differently so I kept both
Might help some of ya :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:05
Custodes are done
I assume we're doing a release moratorium for the next week until it goes live
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:07
-.-
no, we're committing to a branch
lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:07
Rip me for not reading
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:07
hahah
no worries, I doubt we will need to release for a week
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 00:08
branch, or branches?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:08
should be just 1?
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 00:08
there's been a lot of messages ;P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:08
Chatper-Approved-2018
Except for that time I committed IK changes to master
then reverted them and shoved it all under a rug.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:08
@Kohato mind updating branch from master then?
since custodes are in
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:08
Sure
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:09
and I don't want it herniating if someone doubles them up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 00:09
Did the atropos change any?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:09
no, same from CA
*ca17
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:10
@Kohato let me know when it's been updated and I'll start shoving in CWE changes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:10
sure, give me 5
done. Branch updaed, reverted on master.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:19
ty
now to ram through all the eldar stuff
Anyone know if @acebaur got to DW yet?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:20
no changes on the branch yet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:20
no published branches either
I'll do those last after hammering out the eldar
because I NEED TO KNOW
since the changes are fucking awesome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:21
best way to grasp the changes is looking at those values as they're being changed :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 08 2018 00:21
Yes, I agree, that they are :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 00:21
I maintain the FW necron changes are dumb
and awesome.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:22
I've already done a comparison with my friend while he was making eldar puree out of my dudes
we played planetstrike, eldar defending, Iron Hands attacking
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 08 2018 00:22
I'm back home now, after leaving the hotel I stayed in last night in Poland at 9am...its been a long day, I'm going to bed :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:22
wraithknight pulled its weight with new suncannon points you'll be happy to hear @FarseerVeraenthis
base cost drop and the massive drop off the suncannon make it viable
potentially better than S&B except vs knights
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 08 2018 00:23
Oh, the suncannon... The black sheep option is back eh?!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:23
yep
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 08 2018 00:24
(I always liked the idea of the suncannon)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:24
S6 is still eh, but it melts elites and primaris real good
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 00:25
I said I'd do them tonight
Getting dinner and then heading home
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:28
ah
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 00:49
D-scythes and wraithcannons up to 20 and 15..... why.jpg
it just makes an already mediocre unit terrible
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 01:28
can anyone confirm, DW SS are 1 point? the image I'm looking at is hard to read
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 01:37
2 points
down 3
@acebaur are you on branch?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 01:47
Ok cool, that's what I thought but the image I had was hard to tell
Yes I'm about to commit changes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 01:47
just wanted to check in case I had to change branches for the index option edits
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 01:53
what are we editing for the index options again?
changes commited
also note that there a bunch of non local entries that need to be updated
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 02:14
I keep getting distracted with making new lists :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 02:24
cleaning up stuff that shouldn't be there but was originally due to some confusion and muddy wording
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 02:33
I’ll start working on FW Guard and my other little problem children cats tomorrow
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 03:40
@acebaur those DW stuff all done? I'll merge it into the current universal CA branch
Reason being the CA branch has the core GST changes done
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 04:02
yes, DW is done
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:04
Thanks :D now I can figure out how my lists all changed
because cheaper missile launcher makes that maybe an option?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:21
@alphalas I made all the FW changes to the actual Guard cat
All that needs to be done is DKOK and Elysians
I merged to Master as well (oops?)
I'm actually kinda excited by the prospect of a cheap AdMech battalion
I want to try running one with Guard and Knights, see if helps
(and I ordered a couple of tech priests that should be here Monday...along with the Leviathan, which I seemed to have lucked out on with in points...as did my Slaanesh army...rarely do I get lucky like this...I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:35
they only changed the weapon points for the levis
GF bombard notably, the others are fine
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:36
The butcher cannon array dropped 20 points
Which is (IMHO) the way to run the Levi
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:37
I like gun/ccw, purely because otherwise tying it up in melee with a tarpit is a nasty way to lose a knight's worth of effect
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:37
That's what Cultists are for
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:38
so running ECs and Daemons? or another legion
or renegades?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:38
Daemons and Alpha Legion
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:39
going to run a 30k upgrade set and the new hotness of the pretors? or more warped csm like the new blackstone stuff
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:39
50sog.PNG
I slammed in the relevant updates locally so I could twiddle around with mah list
6 point daemonettes really opened things up nicely
I was told I needed to have a "watermark" for my printed list. It's what the cool kids do now, apparently.
So -- considering the list name -- I'm going to have to adjust contrast/background, but I think this will be it:
What Are Butt Plugs.gif
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:52
looks like a nasty list
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 04:52
Joe. If you can't fix it by morning I'll revert and move it to the fork for ya. In bed now or I'd care more at the moment lol.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 04:52
that's what, 18 CP base?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:52
Yes sir
And nothing but cheap Strats to spend it on
Fix what, @Kohato ?
I mean...it's an okay list. I have a feeling it's going to change a lot with playtesting
I haven't played Chaos of any sort since 4e/5e, and even then, not much
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 04:56
You said you merged can change to master?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:56
It's a dramatically different playstyle than my current stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 04:57
CA•
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:57
Yeah...Oh, undo the pull request
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 04:57
Oh you did a pull not direct merged NVM then easy peasy :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 04:58
Yeah I just reverted the pull request
I learned a long time ago to not merge directly to master. Nope, not me, never again
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 05:03
Shit. I just realized I need to do Wolves hahahahaaaa
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 05:57
The ice puppies missed you!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 06:22
Hey are we going to update the GST with some of these universal SM wargear points changes?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 06:27
Mainly because I really have zero desire to track down every instance of "bolt pistol" and chainfist
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 06:43
@CrusherJoe thought that was done in the CA 2018 branch?
it is for DW at least
and lots of thier stuff is keyed off gst
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 07:14
So I just sync'd to CA 2018 branch...and LOTS of the stuff from GST is...well...incorrect
I got all the unit points done and pushed up to CA 2018 branch
Sadly, there aren't any Wolf-specific wargear changes...so...I'm thinking GST update should really fix it
And I'll volunteer to do GST edits in the CA branch if no one else wants to do it
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 07:24
You're probably the only one awake so go for it. I updated some Storm shields in the GST but I gtg sleep.
My 2017 ATC army is now 1705 points. Deathwing and AdMech. More recent armies are around 1900 cuz they were optimized pretty well anyway.
axisofentropy @axisofentropy pushed Sisters of Silence
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 07:39
Nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 07:48
Okay I updated GST with the few things that weren't updated already that are under the Wolves list
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 08:17
most of the GK stuff is updated, i'll take another look in the morning
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 08 2018 08:58
Hey guys. I’m just checking out the points updates on DW and it seems to be pulling in the standard marine intercessor squad not the DW specific one. Can’t add inceptors/aggressors/hellblasters to the squad!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 10:22
@hatc
@hatchetboy working fine for me on CA branch, clear your data?
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 08 2018 10:31
Weird. Ok. I’ll do some digging
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 11:34
well that sucks
the resin acted too much like a wash and caused whitening in the recesses by pooling. Didnt notice that on the test model, only seems to happen after the stuff fully cures. Nothing that can be done now, it still looks rather neat if you dont look closely ;) Some algae growth will happen anyway and greenify that over the coming months.
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20181208_122954.jpg
I also realize I need to clean the glas badly xD
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 08 2018 11:40
oh man that's a cool looking tank tho
https://imgur.com/a/aRfopFv
first I've seen of a profile amendment for anything
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 08 2018 11:48
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Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 08 2018 11:54
the only updated profiles are intercessors (add chain swords and fists) horrors, fiends, flesh hounds & bloodcrushers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 12:36
mind taking a pic of the specialist detachments?
Did we decide how to implement them yet? I think doing a simple "CP Relic stratagem" style SEG is enough for the start...?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 12:42
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 12:48
so bloodcrushers got +1W, and flesh hounds got a mini flamer
what happened to horrors? i cant see any changes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 12:56
@Thairne - Same way we do extra relic's i'd say - a "No Force Org" option
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 12:57
roger roger
Vigilus detachments!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 13:00
That way, any additional changes (Keywords) can be tied to options that are hidden based on that selection
I refuse to believe anyone with an actual channel doesn't have the knowledge of basic fucking camerawork.
Get a better camera, or learn how to focus, gd.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 13:03
Probably did it on purpose to prevent GW from forcing a take down
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 13:04
Yea, I never bought that line lol. "Oh well, this guy leaking stuff is using a potato as a camera, we might as well leave it up"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 13:13
eh. Im not trying to read that stuff to implement it... someone will take some clearer snaps sooner or later.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 13:19
Lol fair enough
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 13:20
5++ on kataphrons... on the expensive destroyers that might actually be worth it, since they only have a 4+ to begin with... depends on the new cover rules
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 13:34
welp, all of the IG detachments are disappointing, with the possible exception of the drop force
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 13:43
what are we doing with vigilus data, same branch as CA?
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 08 2018 13:55
hi, im new to contributing... when Im ready to make a pull request, do i need to worry about the revision number in batlescribe? or is that handled by you guys before release?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 13:56
don't worry about it, we can sort that out
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 08 2018 13:56
@CanisLupus518, welcome! You should increment it, we can always change it back.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 13:57
lol, conflicting answers. increment is probably better, since there's no problem with incrementing too much
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 08 2018 13:57
ok thanks
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 08 2018 13:59
ok, Chaos should be done except the datasheets changes because I haven't seen any decent shots of them.
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 08 2018 14:02
and if im working on an existing issue, does it have to be one commit per issue?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 14:14
@GenWilhelm separate branches with differing data means merging the data. It is a bit unfortunate that they are 1 week apart, but I think I'd prefer a single branch...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 14:15
i'd prefer single branch too, just wondering if there was a good reason not to
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 14:15
people complaining about the delay is the only reason I could think of right now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 14:17
according to the webstore, they both come out on the 15th
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 14:18
Yup same day
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 14:24
oh alrighty then
no reason at all
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 08 2018 14:57
right, i've got the GSC formations on the CA branch if anyone wants to see how I've implemented them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 15:06
Yeah same pre order today. Same release next week.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:14
Anyone seen leeks of Sisters?
Watching it now
You get 3 Faith Points for taking a Sisters Order
+1FP/10 Sisters models (actual girls, not other units)
So right off we're fucked
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:16
It’s what I expected joe
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:16
That's 5 or 6 FP to start with, usually
I know what the first target of SEFS is going to be
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:16
Like I said in the FB chat - your hopes of sisters being broken af are probably not going to happen
@CrusherJoe screecap as you go and I’ll start on girls shortly; about to work on the other cats
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:18
He's not really the "I'm going to show you pages as I go" kind of reviewer
I'm transcribing the AoF now
So far we're deep into Disappointment territory. Double move is now +3" to movement
WTF, GW?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:21
Yup
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:29
OH GOD DAMN IT
Celestine 6 wounds, 160 points, and lost the ability to be set up anywhere when she comes back
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:30
Not surprising
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:31
I thought GW said they wanted to "make this codex right"
So far all they're doing is shitting all over it
Ready for the Acts of Faith?
Hand of the Emperor ToF 4 Start of Movement Phase Add 3"
Spirit of the Martyr ToF 3 Start of Movement 1 model regains D3 W or one returns from the dead
Aegis of the Emperor ToF 3 Start of Opponent Psychic Phase, Ignore MW on 4+
Divine Guidance ToF 4 Start of Shooting Phase +1 To-Hit Rolls
The Passion ToF 5 Start of Fight Phase Fight Twice
Light of the Emperor ToF 3 Start of Morale, selected unit auto-passes morale
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 15:33
are those not basically for free? Or is it priced into sisters statline?
Also I already got the feel from the detachments that the want to start on the lower end scale and scale up from there, presumably they'll do the same with sisters
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 15:35
This Ravenwing detachment is bonkers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:37
"5 girl Sister squad with 2 meltaguns is 73 points"
So 9 ppm, still
Sure
This...is not shaping up well
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 15:39
You're counting melta guns in points per model?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 15:39
well rangers probably have comparable stats and weapons and cost 7, +1 save go towards the 9ppm... so is 1 ppm likely to be the cost for the ToF?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:40
Two melta guns = 28 points. 73-28=45/5=9ppm
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 15:40
Sisters of silence are 10. Think statline is the same?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:41
No new Troops
No new HQs
I wasn't really expecting them to roll out new units without models -- that's not the GW way these days
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:46
Jump cannoness is nogo?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:47
Celestine doesn't have <ORDER>, but she doesn't break <ORDER> in the detachment she's in
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:48
So she’s not OML anymore nifty
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:48
Interesting change, though: Cel now adds +2 to the Geminae Invul, which results in them keeping 4++, still adds +1 to SoF invul for girls within 6"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 15:49
Cool
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 15:49
(I think it was 12" before? Been a minute)
Simulacrum does indeed add +1 to Test of Faith roll (SS82 calls it "Conviction Test" I think?) so some AoF will be on a 2+
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 16:07
Simulacrum can be upgraded before battle to have once/battle ability to add +1 to invul to max of 3++
Seraphim within 6" of Celestine have 4++
If they keep the ability to re-roll failed saves that's....not too shabby
Time to max out Seraphim squads LOL
Sacred Rites 1CP - Start of Movement - +1 Faith Point -- okay, this helps
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 16:10
Does cel deepstrike?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 16:11
Dunno
The worst fucking thing is The Wonder Twins are an Elite unit now...Healing Tears still works...but no more AoF one back from the dead and then HT the other. Makes that little routine a little more tricky now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 16:13
Good
That was slightly abusive
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 16:13
Cel's Beacon of Faith WLT on a 4+ gain a FP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 16:51
I mean....
It was broken af with Celestine
But +3 is bad. +6 would have keep double for most things and limited Celestine
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 16:53
Its the white dwarf codex all over again isnt it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 16:53
I'll still be getting a couple sisters hqs and troops so I can actually run her again
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 16:55
The only thing that annoys me for Vigilus is no deathwatch spec detachment when all the other SM variants got something, not even indomitus crusaders which would have been just fine
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 17:17
They'll be in a future campaign book, as will all the other factions.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 17:30
Well Winters SEO's review was lacking in some key details
Hopefully SS82 will deliver the gawddamned goods...down the rabbit hole I go
and as you know:
Rabbit Hole.png
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 08 2018 17:43
Spirit of the Martyr looks OK though, basically a "free" apothecary who can't be killed and who's aura covers the whole battlefield... Are all those abilities 1 faith point? Cos they don't seem too bad to me, since they would be stratagems for everyone else but Sisters get both CP's and FP's to play with
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 18:09
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:14
-3cp ?
That kills any use of the 8
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:17
well with 56 PL you can imagine they DO cost a bunch and are pretty much apocalypse-level stuff... thats a bit like complaining a warhound cannot be fielded in 2k :P
its not the same, but still... more of a big game toy where 3 CP dont matter that much
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:23
Ehh ..
1200 points worth of 8 battlesuits and retinue is a bit different than a scout titan.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:24
aight, bad analogy
more like the old apocalypse formations that cost 1500pts and up
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:25
I don't argue that it's for big point games, and unwieldy in 2k - but still, why -3cp? It has to be in a SHAux anyway but with the extra -3cp?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:26
hm.. maybe the load of extra rules you pay for in CP instead of points? the blog says its 3 pages of rules..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:27
That could be ... I Really wish the whole pages were posted.
They clearly have them.
Brings back the potato quality YT reviews for seemingly no reason ...
just why
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:28
since its so consistent... some NDA stuff? Cannot leak full pages, but gobs and snippets...
to produce more hype to get the books to be bought
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:29
consistant it is, I'd hate to think that's the approved GW way ... give the public potato leaks and snippets on decade old phones, that's fine.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:29
bloggers get their hits in their pages, GW gets some hype and if you leak everything on your page you're out next year...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:30
Haha, like that crons codex guy
That entire book page by page was out 2 weeks before lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:30
he still active?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:32
Ok, released what can probably be our last one before chap-app that way if things get pushed to master accidentally, we don't have to worry.
I don't think so, I haven't seen any of his stuff from this round
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:36
no proof, but it would make sense to remove him for breaking the NDA... just imagine a beta tester under NDA doing a review, he'd get the shaft too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:36
Speaking of NDA, Anthem's beta is this weekend - I need to install that.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:37
I see EA, I back of slowly
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 18:39
Rules question
The BT detach applies to company veterans, does that also apply to company veterans on bikes?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:40
Is "Company Veterans" a keyword?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 18:40
Yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:40
Do Company Veterans on Bikes have said Keyword?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 18:41
They do
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 18:41
Then yepper :D
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 18:41
Baller
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 18:56
@Thairne that ravenwing attack squadron makes Land Speeder vengeances very tasty indeed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:56
no overheats
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 18:56
yep
I think I’ll definitely be doing a ravenwing style support detachment for my DW
especially with the points drops on regular speeders
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 18:58
my RW collection is the biggest part of my DA, but I still lack all those new lieutnants and stuff models... but the itch is rising.
Its just way more easy to "finish" admech with their lower models....
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 19:03
I see GW is ignoring index units which is sad
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:16
@acebaur I’m actually mostly ok with it
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 08 2018 19:24
Mostly I'm lamenting my company vets on bikes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:28
Okay...because there's at least a tiny bit of interest, I present "Joe's Laboriously Collected and Transcribed Adepta Soritas Beta Codex Summary"

'ORDERS:
Valorous Heart 6+++
OML Gain 1FP when a unit of your army is destroyed
Ebon Chalice +1 to TOF roll
Ardent Shroud after destroying a unit, gain 1 FP on 4+
Bloody Rose +1 S A when charging, was charged or HI
Sacred Rose can never lose more than 1 model to Morale, overwatch hits on 5+

Strength of Faith - ObSec Troops

Shield of Faith - 6++, Deny the Witch on 1d6

Faith Points - "If you bring a Sisters Order, you start the battle with 3 FP, gain 1 for every 10 Sisters models"

ACTS OF FAITH:
Test of Faith roll 1D6, =/> Devotion Value test is passed
Hand of the Emperor DV 4 Start of Movement Phase Add 3"
Spirit of the Martyr DV 3 Start of Movement 1 model regains D3 W or one returns from the dead
Aegis of the Emperor DV 3 Start of Opponent Psychic Phase, Ignore MW on 4+
Divine Guidance DV 4 Start of Shooting Phase +1 To-Hit Rolls
The Passion DV 5 Start of Fight Phase Fight Twice
Light of the Emperor DV 3 Start of Morale Phase, selected unit auto-passes morale
*BSS, Celestians, Domininons, Retributors can take Simulacrum, +1 to ToF

UNITS:
HQ:
*Only 1 Missionary can be included in a detachment

Celestine 160 M12 A6 W6 Returns on 2+ as close as possible to last position, >1" from enemy models

Canoness Points 45 W5 3+/4++

Uriah Jacobus 50 SoF; Zealot; Word of the Emperor roll d6 when AdMin model flees within 6", on 4+ they don't flee; Banner of Sanctity +1 Ld to AdMin & AM units within 6"; Rosarius 4++; War Hymns +1A to AdMin/Am units within 6" of any Ministorum Priest

Missionary 35 Zealot, Rosarius, War Hyms, Word of the Emperor

Troops:
Battle Sisters Squad 9ppm; may take Simulacrum; Superior may take Inferno Pistol

Elites:
Geminae 21ppm +4 for Power Sword, total 25ppm; if Celestine is within 3", when she takes a wound on a 2+ the Geminae takes MW instead; don't take a slot if you include Celestine in your army

Repentia 15 WS/BS3+ M6 S/T3 W1 A2 Sv7+ Evis: Sx2 -2 D2 -1 to hit, AoF, SoF

Mistress of Repentance 35 W4 A3 Sv3+ Ld8 Whips Suser -2 D1 +1 wound if Ld >8; Re-roll advance & charge to Repentia within 6"; Doesn't take a slot if Repentia are included

Celestians 11 A2 Ld8; Superior A3 Ld9 Bodyguard (take mortal wound for character on 2+ within 3")

Preacher 25 Zealot; Icon of Eccel: CHAOS -1 within 3"; War Hymns

Hospitaller 30 Heal D3 or rez one model like Apothecary

Dialogus 30 Laud Hailer: +1 Soritas Ld & re-roll ToF within 6"

Arco-Flagellants 15 M7 W2 WS3+ A2d3 S5 -1 D1 Zealot, 5+++

Crusaders 9 (+Power Sword 4, Storm Shield 0, total 13) AoF, SoF

Death Cult Assassins 17 M7 WS3+ Ld 7 Sv5+ A4 S4 -2 D1 re-roll hits on charge or when charged
**Non-Sisters units don't take a slot if you have a Ministorum Priest (Preacher? Or Missionary/Uriah?)

Fast Attack:
Seraphim 11
Dominions 10

Heavy Support:
Retributors 9
Exorcist 125 -- missile launcher unchanged
Pen Engines 72 (100 total) WS3+ W7 T6 Sv4+/5+++ A4 S10 -3 Dmg3 Fight twice, Zealot

Dedicated Transports:
Sororitas Rhino 73
Immolator 68 (Immo Flamer 30, 98 total)

Vehicles have SoF

STRATEGEMS:
1/3CP Extra Relics
3CP Vessel of Emp's Will: AoF on character affects all Sisters within 6"
2CP Extremis Trigger Word: Arco-Flagellants A6; roll D6 for each Arco end of phase 1=death
1CP Burning Descent: After DS; Seraphim hand flamers range increased to 12"
1CP Suffer Not The Witch: Start of Shooting or Fight; Re-roll wounds vs Psykers
1CP Final Redemption: Start of Fight Phase, For each Repentia slain roll d6, 4+ enemy unit takes MW
1CP Blessed Bolts: Storm Bolters AP-2 D2
1CP Faith & Fury: After passing ToF re-roll wound rolls of 1
1CP Sacred Banner of the Order Militant: before the battleupgrade Simulacrum to sacred banner - once per battle at start of battle round +1 to invul save to max 3++
1CP Rally the Faithful: halve the number of models fleeing after failed Morale test
1CP Purity of Faith: 24" 4+ deny psychic power
1CP Martyrdom: regain d3 FP after character dies, if warlord regain 3FP
1CP Sacred Rites: Start of Movement - Gain a Faith Point
1CP Holy Trinity: Fire everything at one unit, if unit has bolter, flamer, melta +1 to wound'

WARLORD TRAITS:
Beacon of Faith: (Celestine) Start of turn; Gain 1FP on 4+
Righteous Rage: (Uriah) reroll failed charge rolls, reroll wounds if you charge are charged or HI
Inspiring A[something?]: reroll failed morale tests within 6", use models LD
Executioner of Heretics: -1 LD of enemy within 6"
Indomitable Belief: SoF invul +1 within 6"
Pure of Will: Can attempt to deny 1 additional power per SoF, psyker -1 from psychic test within 12"

RELICS:
Blade of Admonition: replaces power sword S+2 -3 D3
Wrath of the Emperor: replaces bolt pistol, R18 Pistol3 S5 -1 D2
Book of St. Lucius: Bearer's aura increased by 3"
Brazier of Eternal Flame: 2D6 SoF DTW while within 6"
Litanies of Faith: d6 after ToF pass within 6", on 5+ FP refunded
Mantle of Ophelia: Canoness only, 3++

WARGEAR POINTS:
Simulacrum 10
Condemnor Boltgun 1
Storm Bolter
Bolter
Bolt Pistol
Frak & krak
Inferno Pistol 7 P1 6" S8 -4 DmgD6 melta rule
Hand Flamer S3 AssaultD6
Power Sword 4
Storm Shield 0

@alphalas YOU'RE UP my brother. Let me know if you need help
This should probably be a new Catalog, as it is NOT "AdMin", it's Codex: Adepta Sororitas
The thing is, this isn't really "The Full Codex". This is Index Sisters with new AoF, Celestine nerfs (god damn it) and WLT/Strats/Relics
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 19:34
and hella nerfed AoF at that
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:34
Eeeeeeeh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 19:34
doesn't seem like it was worth the wait
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:34
So yeah the move twice and shoot twice going AWOL really cranks my shaft
And the added Test of Faith isn't great, though some will go off easier than the old 4+ to get one from Index
The "good" news is, it's no longer Imperial Soulburst
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 19:35
yeah... not sure what they were going for really
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:36
The bad news is, it's no longer Imperial Soulburst
I have already chosen my first targets for SEFS, believe you me
  1. Revert Celestine/Wonder Twins back to previous iteration. Current version sucks ass and is stupid.
  1. Revert movement AoF to double move
WTF
Okaaaay
  • Revert Celestine/Wonder Twins back to previous iteration. Current version sucks ass and is stupid.
Ah
  • Revert movement AoF to double move
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:41
  • Restore shoot twice AoF
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 19:41
Current itteration isn't horrible .
Rezzing in previous spot makes sense and is far less broken.
Movement AOF should be better than it is now though for sure.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:42
  • Remove some of the blatant, ridiculous and unnecessary randomness from Exorcist
It IS horrible.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 19:42
And if I Read it right, does that mean I can buy another Germinae or two and run Celestine as an vanguard detachment?
or are they limited to two.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:42
Limited to 2
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 19:43
Poop. Well I can still grab 1 more elite I suppose.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:43
A Dialogus isn't a bad choice
But I'm pretty sure the Wonder Twins are limited to 1 unit, so no taking 2 units of 1 girl
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 19:43
Basically, I want her to support my admech again like in Fuck Cadia. But been waiting for codex to see what I want to get to fill out a celestine detachment.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:44
Dominions in Repressors.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 19:44
yea?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:45
Interestingly, Celestians have the same Bodyguard rule the Wonder Twins do, but for all characters
Also, the WT don't take up an Elite slot if your army includes Celestine
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 19:45
But ... what if I WANT them to
lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:48
There's so many missed opportunities, too
Blessed Bolts -- YAY! You're on the right track! Wait...Storm Bolters only? WTF? YOU DO REALIZE you can get max 5 SBs in a sisters units, right? And that's a dominion unit, which is probably best used with meltas and flamers
Oh, and wait...still only S4
Need to add that to the SEFS list
At least make them S5 (though I'd prefer S8)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:51
No
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:52
Oh hush up @alphalas some of us like swimming in the deep end of the pool
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:54
@CrusherJoe what do you want is how you get Grey Knights– do you want grey Knights?
Ask @tekton how that went for him
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:54
Fifth Edition Grey Knights? OMG YES PLEASE
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:54
They were godly in 5e
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:54
That would be nice for a chance
Oh I know
I played them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:54
And since they’ve been GARBAGE
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:54
So
I counter with:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:55
I want sisters to be mid to high tier and stay there
I don’t want one good book and then the next four to be hot garbage
Seriously
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:55
Sisters have sucked hind teat for longer than ANY other current Codex. The closest competitor is Orks, and they have only sucked for 6 and 7.
Then there's fucking elves
They've never actually sucked.
So, in comparison, I would like Sisters to be at Orks level.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:56
No
Marines level
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:56
So: Trash?
WTF man
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:57
I don’t want bandwagoners
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 19:57
Hi all (hi again to those in the KT chat 😉), time for me to enter the full 40k affray (Necron strike force for xmas). Is there any demand for the KT style cards for 40k (does it even make sense to have them)?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:57
I don’t want power gamers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:57
Marines are mid- to bottom-tier right now (and CA2018 isn't going to save them)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 19:57
I want people who love the faction for what it is, garbage or not
And yes, I want mid tier
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 19:58
My love for the faction is undeniable
Oh, @DaeronAlagos YES PLEASE
The cards output you made for KT is magical
But I also go out of my way to avoid frustration and aggravation
And having a trash-tier army does nothing to prevent frustration and/or aggravation
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:00
What size card would be suitable? I was playing around with creating a Necron battalion earlier and there seems to be more/longer texts. Would the KT cards (11cm x 7cm) be to small?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 20:00
I love my BA joe
I have fun playing my BA
They suck
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:00
@DaeronAlagos I think they would be the right size, honestly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 08 2018 20:00
No lie about it
HOWEVER
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:01
@DaeronAlagos (as they are right now for KT)
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:02
Ok, I'll start with that size and adjust afterwards if necessary
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:02
Now....if you could find a way to compress it down to only one card per homogeneous unit, that would be stellar (though I understand that's probably in the "yeah, keep dreaming" category)
For Guard, for example
Top of card: INFANTRY SQUAD, 3 IN ARMY
<one card for all 3 units>
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:03
So you only want 1 card even if you have 3 guard squads?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:03
Does that make sense?
Yes
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:03
I type to slow on phone 😂
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:03
40K armies can be of a particular size :)
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:04
Ok, I'll make a start and then we can adjust as it takes shape
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:04
And there's a tendency to have multiples of the same unit in a list. BScribe's current output wastes about 12 pages of paper printing the same statblock for each unit over and over and over
@DaeronAlagos you sir are a man amongst men
And when you're done with that, if you could figure out/teach me how to make it where you can convert BScribe output into ETC format you'd be the hero of thousands of gamers worldwide
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:06
ETC format?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:06
European Team Championship
There's a style guide around somewhere, let me see if I can find it
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:07
Can you link a sample screenshot?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:07
It's super abbreviated summary, but in a concise format -- ITC (here in the US) is going to start using it so BCP can track stats better. It's going to be required this year at LVO
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:08
Ok. We might as well strive for that format then 😊
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:09
Page 15 and 16 of this document describe the format:
It's more of an outline/summary to show points, CP, relics, wargear (anything that costs points) than an actual playable "army list", though
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:11
Ok. I'll do the cards first. Then the etc. Then a player friendly roster.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:12
I'd say between that format (to show total army composition) and the cards (playable reference) you'd have a 100% SOLID BScribe output format
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 20:12
Hello fellow robot head. Welcome to the commune
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 20:12
I must say I love your KT cards. They're fantastic. Really excellent work!
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 20:13
Hey Earl 😊 Thanks, first time I'd played with xsl, hopefully this time will be easier
Hmm, the etc looks like it's some sort of csv file. Might be better to use two stylesheets. 1 for cards and one for the etc plain text format
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 20:19
@alphalas belated LOL
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 08 2018 20:19
Can someone pretty please link me the dark Angels detachment details please :+1:
tekton
@tekton
Dec 08 2018 20:19
Yes a separate xslt for the ETC format will be better
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 08 2018 20:19
@FarseerVeraenthis its good as hell
You can barely read the new specialist detachments in this video https://youtu.be/sT0eDbjQTyc
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 21:45
Madspy did warn me about the quality of data for this 😕 Tomb blades in the xml, top level selection shows as 'upgrade' but I think it should be 'unit'
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 08 2018 21:49
@DaeronAlagos, that's a relatively minor issue which is fixable without breaking lists.
There are other issues which are going to bite us, like abilities which are in separate SSEs.
I think you're only going to be able to get most of the way there.
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 21:56
Ok. Think I'm going to spend the rest of the evening playing around with the data editor to get to grips with that. Going forward, If I think I've found something wrong then I'll double check here then PR it.
I'll do what I can for now and we can come back to the other issues afterwards 👍
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 22:00
I'll fix tomb blades on the CA branch.
Didn't know they were flagged as upgrades
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 22:04
Thanks Earl 👍 I've found where it's set in the editor, I've changed the dropdown to 'unit' but then I get a validation error.
"link must have a target that exists"
"condition must have a scope that exists"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 22:05
Odd I'll take a look at what I linked in it tonight
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 22:05
This is more to do with me not knowing how to use the editor 😭
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 08 2018 22:06
I haven't had to touch tomb blades since I made the cat for eighth editing
Edition*
James Curtis
@DaeronAlagos
Dec 08 2018 22:08
I had similar issues with the other KT factions. I think it's because I'm being specific when checking attributes in selection nodes when iterating over them
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:29
@DaeronAlagos The kill team cards are amazingly good, the best thing I'd say is to have it create one per unit, since multiple of the same unit might have different wargear between them. It would also make custom squad names more useful to differentiate the cards
the primary things that are helpful to have on 40k cards are the wargear chosen, keywords in the unit, and the names of rules, not necessarily the rules text
as a quick reference reminder kind of thing
and statlines of models
the one unit that will have the most possible entries to work with is the deathwatch veterans squad, if the card output can handle them, it can handle just about anything else
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 22:32
@WindstormSCR ...you're not wrong
Though I would say the REAL entertainment is going to come from either Wolves or AM
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:35
I'd say they're on par with DW
because I can get a long fangs unit and a dw unit to about the same length, DW slightly worse
since DW units can have 6 different statlines in them, and each model of the 10 can have different wargear
black shield, vet, watch serg, terminator, vanguard, biker
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 22:36
Oh yeah, forgot about that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:36
the points drops in DW are golden though
terminators got huge drops
my thunder hammer squad is now actually more viable as a knight answer :D
@CrusherJoe what I'm actually looking forward to using are some chainfist terminators
since they no longer cost stupid points
catas with chainfists dropped by 15ppm
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 08 2018 22:39
Well now there's probably some entertainment to be had there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:40
4++ with -4 ap 2D and 10 swings? yep
though I think the bigger winner will be chainfist deathwing. I smell the bone color coming off @Thairne al;ready
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 22:40
if bone wouldnt suck so bad to paint xD
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:41
dropping mixed squads where literally every single item and model got a points drop :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 22:41
I actually think DW Knights are the bigger winners of this CA
they got even cheaper
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:41
SS down 3, plasma cannons down, chainfists and PFs cheaper
ravenwing awesomeness
I'm glad I'm rolling DA for my support detachment :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 22:42
hrmpf.
You're teasing me bad here... I have a buttload of AdMech backlog, no RW/DW backlog whatsoever.
I might just be able to justify a box or two... ^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:43
hey, I'm looking forward to DW'ing up some deathwing and RW
@Thairne since you know DA lore well, is there a good way to differentiate ravenwing besides the black color and the shoulderpad symbol? I'm making the marines manning the stuff DW marines from all different DA successors, but I want an easy way to visually identify that they belong to the support detachment
the speeders will be getting DW symbols and the DW red stripe, so I'm looking for an acillary marking that won't stand out super loud but do the job
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 22:45
hm... best bet would be iconography and shoulder pad markings
robe colours where applicable
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 08 2018 22:45
shoulderpads are kind of a no-go because Litany xenomortis and chapter badge
and most of the speeder crews dont do robes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 22:46
you could put the markings on the speeder itself
or other small made up identifikations... a bone white stabilisation wing on a speeder according to the "robe colour" of the successor
ravenwing usually just is 2nd company. They have a unique symbol other than the classic DA winged sword... there are a few bits on the ravenwing upgrade sprue that could do the job
small watcher statues, wings and the like... again, differentiating with colour for the different successors
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 22:52
successors ofc have their own chapter badge
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 08 2018 23:07
... and I just realized I have NO idea where to start with DA in 8th.