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10th
Dec 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 00:16
nice to see elysian boys back in the picture
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 00:17
I love my Elysians lol
Thinking about swapping lascannons on the valks and the missiles on the avenger for multilas
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 00:28
I'm still trying how best to run van saar as an =][= retinue
*to figure out
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 00:36
I have no idea what a good elysian army looks like tbh. Punisher vultures are always good, and plasma command squads have done well for me in the past, but idk what the rest of the list does really.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 00:36
It looks better than a bad one.
^I'll show myself out.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 00:37
And I see you're using pre-CA points, since special weapons are getting cheaper.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 01:06
Yeah I haven’t finished up Elysians yet
Thinking of getting a bully bulgryn squad with priest and squeezing that in
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 01:57
...wait, what's this about Wolves being broken in master?
...and please define "broken"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 01:58
Elysians are done, doing DK then pushing to master
Still working on sisters tangentially
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 02:03
Also, does anyone know where this is from?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 02:22

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - FW Elysians) ++

  • No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Elysian

Regimental Doctrine: Astra Millitarum

  • HQ +

Elysian Company Commander: Display Elysian Orders, Krak grenade, Lasgun and Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Power fist, The Laurels of Command

Elysian Company Commander: Display Elysian Orders, Krak grenade, Kurov's Aquila, Lasgun and Auxiliary Grenade Launcher

  • Troops +

Elysian Drop Trooper Squad
Guardsman w/ Vox Caster: Krak grenade
7x Guardsman w/Lasgun, Frag & Krak Grenades
Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Sergeant: Krak grenade, Lasgun

Elysian Drop Trooper Squad
Guardsman w/ Vox Caster: Krak grenade
7x Guardsman w/Lasgun, Frag & Krak Grenades
Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Sergeant: Krak grenade, Lasgun

Elysian Drop Trooper Squad
Guardsman w/ Vox Caster: Krak grenade
7x Guardsman w/Lasgun, Frag & Krak Grenades
Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Sergeant: Krak grenade, Lasgun

  • Elites +

Bullgryns
Bullgryn: Grenadier Gauntlet, Slabshield
Bullgryn: Grenadier Gauntlet, Slabshield
Bullgryn Bone 'ead: Grenadier Gauntlet, Slabshield

Elysian Command Squad
Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Krak grenade, Lasgun

Elysian Command Squad
Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Krak grenade, Plasma gun
Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Krak grenade, Lasgun

Ministorum Priest: Bolt pistol, Power maul

Officer of the Fleet

Officer of the Fleet

  • Fast Attack +

Tauros Venator
Tauros Venator: Hunter-killer missile, Twin lascannon

Tauros Venator
Tauros Venator: Hunter-killer missile, Twin lascannon

  • Heavy Support +

Cyclops Demolition Vehicle: Cyclops

  • Flyer +

Vulture Gunship
Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - FW Elysians) ++

  • No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Elysian

  • Flyer +

Avenger Strike Fighter: 2 Multi-Lasers, 2x Lascannon

Valkyries
Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser
2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter
Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser
2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter
Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser
2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Valkyries
Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon
2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter
Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon
2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Now with ChapApp updates
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 02:23
:+1:
I'm diggin' it. Nice to see the plasma everywhere it could be. :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 02:32
Is GG/slabshield best for bulgryns?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 10 2018 02:57

@CrusherJoe I think @CanisLupus518 was referring to issues #3943 and #3942. I just confirmed #3943 is still an issue.

And those dataslates are from Chapter Approved. Fiends are new update, Horrors are probably a reprint from 2017.

Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 02:58
Ah, yes.
I'll fix them before we release next weekend.
Thanks!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 05:29
also intercessors with the powerfist option
for maximum aggression
thought for tonight: intercessor sgt with powerfist, 4 intercessors, 5 aggressors with boltstorms in a DW intercessor squad
or: drop one aggressor for a reiver
Collin Watts
@LockeWatts
Dec 10 2018 06:13
Does this community use a JIRA board or something similar to organize effort around updating the Battlescribe files?
That, and this chat, are where we discuss/organize/etc.
Collin Watts
@LockeWatts
Dec 10 2018 06:16
That's fair enough. Github issues aren't really the same thing but that answered the question.
I am not seeing a CA 2018 T'au update in the closed issues anywhere
Anyone know if that's being worked on right now?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 06:17
@LockeWatts best place to check is always the commit history
we tend to get grumpy even with longtime contributors if they get too lazy with commit names
in this case:
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe ^5s @WindstormSCR
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 06:19
GMTA
Collin Watts
@LockeWatts
Dec 10 2018 06:21
Gotcha. Is there a CI/CD pipeline to the host for download or are there staged releases? Just getting a handle on the project.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 10 2018 06:22
I think all the Chapter Approved stuff is done except for some Forgeworld.
plan is to release on Saturday when CA releases.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 06:24
@LockeWatts everything's stored here, when we want to push a release to the user we create one on github, then a set of web software picks it up and does the indexing for release
Collin Watts
@LockeWatts
Dec 10 2018 06:25
So automated packaging but manual release
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 06:26
correct, lets us make sure releases for new publications don't go out early
Collin Watts
@LockeWatts
Dec 10 2018 06:26
Because of fear of GW?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 06:26
more like healthy respect
there is a wrinkle in the whole mess, which is that the battlescribe GUI editor's handling of the XML files and the IDs of things means it has a 50/50 chance of having a conniption if people do simultaneous work instead of sequential
on the same cat file
@amis92 has been working on a pet project to solve that, but Im not a coder so half of it is like a foreign language to me
Collin Watts
@LockeWatts
Dec 10 2018 06:29
That seems... Like a design failure on BS part? I haven't read that code yet, but seems like the merge conflicts should be reasonable... But, not the fault of anyone here.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 07:03
it probably is a design failure, but not one I understand well enough to explain
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 10 2018 07:08
I don't think BS merges are harder than any other XML file. @LockeWatts most BS editors use Git through a GUI and don't get much deeper.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 08:25
@tekton good. Good. That means I'm not the only one.. I was beginning to worry xD
@Kohato yes, I switched yesterday :P
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 09:18
@WindstormSCR fixed my DW issues - had old files sitting around I git from earlier fiddling. ;)
I’ve skimmed the DW and all looks good!
In Eldar the points for wraithguard seem off. 23 base per wraith but the cannon and scythe are coming in at 25 and 20, not 20 and 15?
Shall I raise a bug or are we keeping CA stuff in here
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 10 2018 09:46
We're already commiting CA stuff to master
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 10:25
they've actually done it. I need 8 servitors to fill my brigade and sacrifice them to kataphrons. FFS.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 11:13
While yes, the FAQ does say to replace all references of AI with EDT, do we actually usually implement those changes to rules?
I honestly don’t remember
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 11:15
Are the Elysians inheriting the Officer of the Fleet, or is it a separate datasheet?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 11:16
They use OoF from index/codex
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 11:16
then it should be updated, because the inherited model has changed.
no, wait. I think I'm misunderstanding.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 11:17
Page 71 – Elysian Drop Troops Army List
Change the final sentence of the first paragraph to read: ‘Models that have the Aeronautica Imperialis keywords on their datasheets replace them in all instances with Elysian Drop Troops.’
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 11:18
yeah, that's an interesting one. Does the FAQ change refer to entries in the KEYWORD box only or not?
It's difficult to know the intention there.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 11:19
Apparently pretty much all Elysian players are vehement it mean everything
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 11:20
well, of course they are :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 11:20
Because otherwise the OoF is useless
And I do tend to agree with them
I’m just not sure if we (the BS data devs) have a precedent where something in the index/FAQ changes the text of a rule from another index/codex inherited
And whether in that situation we still present the rule as written, or if we present it as the modified rule
That’s more of my question then anything else lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 11:49
There's a similar issue in KT. Deathwatch Intercessors can take an Auspex, which can only be used on ADEPTUS ASTARTES.
When they become DW, they lose that keyword (because it's a faction), so they can't then (RAW) use it on themselces.
the wording is the same for replacing the keyword.
in the Elysian case
so, should we be replacing ADEPTUS ASTARTES with DEATHWATCH in the wording of the Auspex's ability?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 11:57
what's the issue?
it says all instances, so that should apply to anywhere it appears, including in abilities, right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 11:58
@/all do we have a consensus?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 12:01
all instances = ctrl+h, search and replace. So yes, all instances also apply to the Auspex in that case imo
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 12:02
ok, KT issue is different, the text is "When you add an Intercessor (pg
85) or a Reiver (pg 85) to your command roster (and
create its datacard) you can choose for it to have
the DEATHWATCH Faction keyword instead of the
ADEPTUS ASTARTES Faction keyword."
so, you only have permission to replace the Faction keyword, not the keyword in rules, etc.
the Elysian one gives permission to replace it everywhere.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 12:14
yeah, looks like it works for elysian OotF, but not on DW aupsexes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 12:29
Yeah Jon we follow faq too I thought
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 12:32
that was an erratum, so we should definitely be supporting it. previously i would have agreed that RAW they dont change their ability, but post-errata they do
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 12:34
Kk very good
Just wanted to make sure there wasn’t some bs rule I was missing
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 12:36
In other news, I somehow forgot that FW exists, so I need to work through all my costs. I'll probably get to it tomorrow.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 12:41
i didnt even think to check lol
i dont suppose any of the tyranids LoWs are at a playable points cost now?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 12:50
Not sure if they got any changes.
FWNids I mean
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 12:51
yeah, looks like theyre the same as last year
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 12:56
Watts is using some heavy language for a group that mostly uses a gui xml editor in a somewhat locked down environment and simply uses git as a crutch for release control :p I know not what things like JIRA and CI/ID pipelines are.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 12:58
well Jira is a ticket administration tool which you can use to administrate your servicecalls, plan sprints for releases etc.
kind of like github, but more advanced and probably a bit overkill for the things we do here ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 12:59
Also a cool sounding name.
Sounds like it'd take away my ability to do titles for releases that probably only amuse me.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 12:59
my company is still stuck on bugzilla :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 12:59
Not a fan of that.
scratch that. Bugzilla is a better name.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:00
lol
well its a tool made unter the mozilla license and mostly used for bugtracking... so...
just read that Jira is a play on Godzilla (pron. Gojira) since they wanted to have a connection to bugzilla
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:02
Hah, I like that.
Clever name.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 10 2018 13:03
its sort of like a board with post it notes on it, you have 3 columns. todo, in progress, and done, then you move the post it notes along the board as your working, you can add extra columns like "ready for test", and you can do things like auto create post it notes from bug reports, and make graphs of how many post it notes you put in each column and how long said post it note took
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:03
Oh, like slack?
not slack.
fuck.
I know that format though - there's another tool my old firm used to use for the DBAs
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 10 2018 13:04
slack is professional discord =P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:04
"Professional"
lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:04
compare slack to Teams
and you laugh less.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:04
I remember when Facebook was "Professional Myspace"
and LinkedIn was "Professional Facebook"
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 10 2018 13:05
haha, we used to use slack then we moved to teams, =(
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:05
my condolences...
"Teams is shit" is a running gag in the company now.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:30
@alphalas is IG updated to CA points?
or @CrusherJoe ?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 10 2018 13:36
Man appspot is taking its sweet ass time to upload the CA changes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:36
appspot already has the latest release
we haven't released CA changes yet if that's what you mean
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:40
appspot won't ge tthe CA changes ;)
Because CA isn't out.
How can we release something that isn't out.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:42
by pressing the button obviously obviously!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:44
But.
There's a moratorium on that button for 5 more days.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:45
PpV0evc.png
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 13:45
I've done a local repo patch for #3987 - do you want me to do a pull request, or would you guys prefer to grab the changes manually?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:47
Things are on Master now, do a pull - it'll be request reviewed to Iain automatically.
so he'll get it, take a look - and if he's in the middle of other changes, he'll grab yours and manually merge, or just merge as is.
It's the fun dance of BS.
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 13:48
Indeed, I've done some other cats, it's a * nightmare on merges
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:48
Mmhmm, glad you understand. Git is made to merge things ... BS however is not lol.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:49
*XML is not (at least not this type of XML)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:49
Eh, XML is mergable. But when BS likes to re-arrange entire sections of XML at will, it gets tricky.
I love when I move 1 SEG and I get 10k line changes.
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 13:50
Done, in the q... :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:50
true, but java code is even then better to merge. XML is inherently less human readable which complicates the merge
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:50
I remember someone (Windstorm maybe?) had a merge program that worked decently well for Aeldari.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:51
it was someone who helped for the initial release of 8e, but didnt stick around
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:51
I mean, it's readable if you just imagine yourself reading redicioulsly slow as you scroll through each tag for a word of information.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:51
a reliable xml merger? svn cant merge for shit, I guess that would make a few ppl here happy...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:51
lolol
Yea I knew he was gone, just couldn't remember if it was his or Wind's tool.
We will eventually get to him and know his actual name -.- I think he's like the only username holdout lol.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:53
no pressure
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 10 2018 13:53
I thought we pushed to the master?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:53
Yepper.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:53
yeah, but master does not automatically make a release
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:53
^
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:53
yeah, CA is merged to master, but appspot donesnt pick it up until we manually release
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:53
And due to said UNBREAKABLE moratorium
we won't push that release button for 5 days.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:53
you have do actually draft a release which is the thing appspot then grrabs
so the moratorium has the UNBREAKABLE keyword?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:54
<UNBREAKABLE>
Like Kimmy Schmidt.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:54
hexproof and indestructible
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:54
We did that alex because it's a pain with so many commits to a branch but still commits to master to fix actual bugs.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 13:55
@Kohato, it's not me who'll be looking at #3987, that's @FarseerVeraenthis or @WindstormSCR :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:55
So I did a release and then merged to master for the rest of the changes and decided to just wait on release.
Oh shit, it is Simon isn't it.
I thought it was you for some reason
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 13:55
I play Aeldari, maybe that's it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:55
yeah, Simon is the maintainer, but Windstorm did the CA updates
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:55
probably
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 13:57
looks like @WindstormSCR updated the base cost for the weapons, but missed the fact that the cost increments in the unit.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:58
I did that too for immortals. Totally forgot how I did immortals til someone did a pull to fix it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 13:58
if anyone was ever interested
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 13:58
Oh right, it was a python script that was made.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 13:59
ugh
I dont speak snake, do I look like harry potter?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:00
Do you live in a cupboard?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:01
arent all apartments kinda cupboards? but for people?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:01
Mine is a basement sir.
*Garden Level
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 14:02
@Mad-Spy if it's got an incr cost, it shouldn't have a base cost, right? It was counting 6 weapons on a unit of 5 wraiths so I assumed that was the issue.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:02
does that change the fact, tho? ;P
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 14:03
It's weird cos the Wraithguard melee weapons (same paradigm) have a completely different implementation! :)
All apartments are cupboards, until you get to banker territory, then they just park a house on top of a tower block and call it a penthouse
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:04
w0rd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:05
@hatchetboy If the Shared Entry is used elsewhere, a base cost is needed.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:05
@Kohato Yes the IG cat is UTD with CA points changes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:05
But then the increment is used in one certain case (Hyperphase swords for lychguard for example: I use increment on a group weapon choice, but it's also a single weapon choice so needs base cost.
Awesome! I didn't ask about it.
I don't think ...
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 14:06
Hmm - that might cause issues then. Though don't think they are used anywhere else.
Unless Ynarri?
Haven't looked at the implementation there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:06
possibly ynarri, I don't know how that whole spaghetti is done.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:06
it was our very @GenWilhelm
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 14:07
I still pretend Ynarri doesn't exists. (fingers in the ears, lalalalaala)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:07
We all did for a while
Filed under the mental category of:
@Thairne ?
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 14:07
I prefer my ghost-murder-elves all dead and in wraith bodies THANKYOUVERYMUCH
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:07
HERESY!!!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:07
I was going for Fuck Cadia.
but heresy works.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:07
oh.
close enough
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:09
yeah, it was me @CrusherJoe. looks like russes are still on old points
so are veterans actually...
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe squints a little and raises an eyebrow, "Russ..izz...? Hmmm..."
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:11
Ah damn it then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:11
Russes issss
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:11
russessess
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:11
Russi?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:11
Russopodes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:11
russessess' russess#
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:11
A stampede of Russi
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:12
russae?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:12
yes!
A Stampede of Russae.
The pural of Leman Russ.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:12
So the last commit I made was to fix Vets before the version I merged to Master (and not the CA branch) and then reverted
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:12
now I imagine grazing russae.
then, perking up with their battle cannons, as they hear a melta stalk the tall grass.
before breaking in a full stampede once they catch the predators smell.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:13
And here we see, the noble Russ. Grazing on metal discarded in it's previous battle. But look, a stray pack of Khorne Dogs.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:13
I would counter that Pask is the predator
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:13
Note how the Russae lumber forward with ease.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:13
HAHAHAHAAAAA
keep goin lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:13
"Planet Cadia"
The documentary nobody knew they wanted.
Narrated by Attenborough
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:14
and on this rare occurence, never caught before on film, we see the mating ritual of the russae as the male russ tries to mount the female, as can be recognized by the shorter vanquisher cannon.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:14
(which unfortunately was cancelled 2 years ago)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:14
The Documentary fell before the Guard did.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:14
Speaking of Cadia
Have y'all seen the cinematic from BG2 for the actual Fall of Cadia?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:15
No, but I want that game.
If only for playable Cresconts.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 10 2018 14:15
dammit, i cant help but read those in attenborough's voice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:15
You're welcome.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:16
that admiral was actually bonkers, just seen it today.
what 4 destroyers and a cruiser against the vengeful spirit?
dude.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:17
I'm so glad it's set in "Current" lore times too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:18
Well Current - ~200 years
Maybe I don't know how to read the Imperial date code but I could've sword FoC was in M41.xxx which was referred to as "minutes to midnight" more than once
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:20
M41.999
as in 41th millenium, 999th year I think
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:20
other way around - 999.M41
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:20
So I'm not quite sure how we're not now -- after 200 years for those events -- on M42
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:20
so now we're in 200.M42 or something
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:20
Yes
Or we should be.
Technically it's the 42nd millennium
Or (again) we should be
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:21
it is. hence why the game is called Warhammer 41k
because it's set in the 41,000s ^^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:22
40K is still as accurate as it ever was
If your most refined epoch denominator is millennia
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:23
40th millenium is still 41000-41999
400th Century Fox?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:25
Wraithcannons are used on the wraithseer, so I'll have to rework the wraithguard unit looks like @hatchetboy
Mark Alexander
@hatchetboy
Dec 10 2018 14:25
Ach. Ok. :(
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:25
unfortunate, but such is the way of things sometimes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:26
40th millennium is 39,000 - 39,999, Earl
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:26
I only caught the issue of the wraithseer WC being 0 when I was using mine in a game a week ago lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:26
ah shit you're right.
so we're in the 42nd millenium really.
Warhammer 42k
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:26
yeah, that's what M42 stands for
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 14:27
Damn math.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:27
the answer according to GW is we're somewhere post M41 but its variable due to massive warpstuff
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 14:27
Wraiths need re-implementing to use a collective, maybe, rather than incrementing the base cost?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:27
the old unreliable narrator. a classic
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:28
yeah, that's what I'm thinking of doing
that's how it should be anyway
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:28
they are kind of overdoing it though. Even the 500 facts were "might be, might not be"
thats not how FACTS work !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:31
but yeah, Guilliman returned sometime after Cadia fell, then the indomitus crusade went on for about 100 years leading up to the plague wars
so we can say for sure we're more than 100 years into M42 in the "current" time
i expect the vigilus book will give us a better date
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:33
Okay I tracked down my local copy of the AM cat
Now what's this about...Russ-izz?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:34
their weapons are all on old costs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:34
Well ain't that some shit
kk'
I'll fix now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:34
thanks :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:37
fucker. wraiths are like SM intercessors
no good option but current implementation to maintain RAW
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 14:37
Yes, similar layout, but less complicated because they don't have a Sergeant
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:37
So I'll just grab #3990 and then fix the wraithseer
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 14:38
or you do a decrement on the Wraith if >1 selection?
then you can leave the base cost on the cannon.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:38
Okay -- could you please verify what I just merged is 100%?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 14:43
@GenWilhelm can you double-check EDT and DKoK for me please?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:43
@CrusherJoe the points or something else?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:43
Points!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:44
lol, Jon. i only noticed it because i wanted to see what my old ideas look like post-CA, and one of them is mostly russes
but i can give those a quick once-over tonight :smiley:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:45
Also...if someone wouldn't mind refreshing my memory how how to use the super-nift-o-matic way of downloading the compiled "release" test things that get auto-made now a days...?
The new TC is actually nicely differentiated from Pask now
Worth considering for those special times when you're really desperate for points
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:48
to a tablet? because desktop is obviously github desktop :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:48
click the green tick on the commit, then follow the "Details" link. on that page go to the "Artifacts" tab, and download the snapshot.bsr
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:48
Tablet?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:48
my method of doing tablet is just forking and generating an index in the fork
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:48
What do you take me for, sir? some kind of animal?
(though to be fair I use an iPad for events...it's the best combo book reader/BScribe platform for such things)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:49
I dunno, you look awfully wolfy to me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:50
...truth. :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 14:50
@CrusherJoe I just import from file the .cat from the github folder into BS
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:51
Man if you guys thought I was salty about the SBC you should see the AS forum on B&C
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 14:51
Then on my phone I sync Dropbox and wala I have it on desktop and mobile
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:51
^ i do it via dropbox as well
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:51
I'm even more lazy, I just let github sync the dropbox folder directly..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:51
same, Dirk :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:52
The good thing is there's some dedicated math/theoryhammer types there that have already put in hours of work on analysis and are already writing detailed feedback with empirical data, not just emotional foot-stomping like me
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:52
i'm drawing a blank here. what's SBC?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:53
Sorortias beta codex I think?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:53
Sisters Beta Codex
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:53
and the adepta sororitas subforum I wager
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:53
gotcha. i've only seen a lot of knee-jerk screeching wrt that, not anything well reasoned yet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:54
Or as I like to call it, The Disappointment Channel: Special Sisters Abortion Version
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:54
@CrusherJoe to be fair, index sisters were VERY strong, more so than pretty much every other index army because of imperial soulburst, so expecting toning down of imperial soulburst while adding other things isn't entirely unreasonable, but the other changes I agree were very garbage
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 14:54
TDCSSAV
noted
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:54
There's one person there that's spent hours mathhammering out just how bad Celestine is now
It's like Fall of Cadia, but with a beloved character/unit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:55
I expected "everything same as the old one, but no more death-teleport-fuckery
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:55
If it had been that, I'd have been totally okay with it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:55
that's what it really should be
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:55
I actually like the new AoF mechanic
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:56
and btw, I did some thinking
I know what a good replacement for the shoot twice would have been
either increased ap (making melta a threat to 2+ and HBs scarier) or exploding 6s a-la telsa/dakka. give it a 4+ ToF
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:57
exploding 6s a la dakka is worse than +1 to hit though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:57
I personally like the AP version anyway
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:58
that would be good on bolters and flamers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:58
it gives a very bolter-heavy army a way to threaten PA (str 5 -2 D1)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:58
Really it should be shoot twice
Or
There should be something about flamers
You know, 1/3 of the holy trinity?
Not one damned thing in the whole beta does anything for flamers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 14:59
yeah, weapons that hit automatically should get 1 extra hit instead
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:59
my honest opinion having played many games against index sisters is that if you want imperial soulburst it should be move twice or shoot twice, never both
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:59
I'd rather have shoot twice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 14:59
otherwise dominions need a hefty cost increase to match thier effectiveness
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 14:59
And a bonus to move instead of move twice
Pffft
My Doms never get our of their Repressors to use the AoF
Mainly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:00
if it were one or two games.... maybe I'd call my experience an outlier
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:00
Because if the ARE out of their Repressors, it's because the Repressor is no longer there
And as I like to point out
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:00
or they're pulling triggers on something
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:00
A footslooging Sister is a dead Sister -- she just may not know it yet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:02
I've found that even shooting an entire army at that shit, that 2 dominion squads rushing up into shoot twice range will consistently make back multiple times their value
usually on turn 2 after retris have shot twice the screen away
so on the subject of Imperial Soulburst, all I have to say is "Welcome to the eldar bench, and what it feels like to have your OP broken shit put back to sanity"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:04
@WindstormSCR what's the issue?
for wraiths?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:04
Oh? Really?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:04
@Kohato fixed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:04
Last I checked Soulburst is still a thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:04
:thumbsup:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:04
....
Damnit joe
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:04
yes, read how nerfed it is after several FAQs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:04
I was doing relic validation
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:05
you get each effect once
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:05
You realize Shining Spears can still TRIPLE move for 48"?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:05
You conflicted my copy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:05
wut
Your copy of what?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:05
he was working the AM cat for relic validation I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:06
Yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:06
Well, his came first, so really it's your copy causing the conflicts.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:06
...and not on a branch, huh?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:06
Technically.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:06
I’ve been working on mine since 8
So no
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:06
RIP
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:06
He conflicted mine ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:06
I'm feeling rather conflicted about all of this.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:06
@CrusherJoe
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:06
Can we go back to the Stampede Of Russae talk?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Well....dammit
Okay git wizards...how do we fix this?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Learn python
run that script thingy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Do I look like I work on branches?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Uh huh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Or. Redo your changes on top of relic validation?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Sounds great
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:07
Or redo relic validation on top of CA changes.
Choose 1.
Optional, roll over and try not to cry; cry a lot.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:08
But it's not The Crying Hour yet
That's later in the day, usually
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:08
@CrusherJoe since I have to run for a bit, my final commentary on your reaction is that A) soulburst was a mistake, and I have always thought so. B) Sisters should still be as strong as that index version, just with something more balanced than a soulburst-alike
currently GW is failing at B
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:09
@WindstormSCR I agree -- as I said I like the new AoF mechanic. It's the actual Acts themselves that are very...lackluster.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:09
out-of-phase actions are incredibly powerful. even more so than getting to do an action an extra time
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:10
And I couldn't agree with you more that Soulburst was, is, and always shall be a mistake of the highest order.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:10
at least sisters only used to do it at the start of their turn. ynnari just do it whenever
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:10
ynnari were a neat lore concept, but needed different rules
I refuse to touch them while soulburst is still a thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:11
You'll be refusing for a while then
It aint going away
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:11
then I can just purge the heresy elves gleefully
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:11
It's going to be hilarious when they bring out Soulburst 2.0, the As Gimped as AoF Edition
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:12
I'll be right there with you enjoying the tears
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:12
The wailing and the gnashing of the teeth from elite players around the world is going to be delicious
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:12
I like my craftworlders, I pay for enough past rules abuses without needing to suffer the sins of soulburst's existance
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:12

using a crutch
elite player

choose one

Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:13
Eldar Player Tears.jpg
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:13
ROFL
needs an edit to ynnari tears
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:13

using a crutch
elite player

choose one

What if the Nova champion has a broken leg?

Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:13
You all do realize that I went Slaanesh mainly because of the fact that Slaanesh consumes Eldar souls, right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:14
then i'm an ableist arsehole
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 15:14
because the other two eldar players at my local (halrequins and Deldar) are of the same opinion about ynnari needing to go and stay go
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:14
Consume is a very dirty term.
Slaanesh savors them.
Like a good single malt.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:14
985870b723ed4900054348cba11257cc.jpg
@CrusherJoe
that’s my file
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:22
Finally watched the BFG2 intro video ... Did Trazyn actually activate the pylons in Fall of Cadia?
I didn't think he did.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:23
I’d request you just port your changes into it, then you push it and post the file here
That way I can easily push DK and Elysian to master
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:24
@alphalas ...dude
What does the conflict-o-meter say?
Because I really, really don't want to do all the CA changes again
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:26
It won’t let me fix it - git desktop has a seizure every time I tell it to open and view the differences
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:26
What about the web version?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:27
I’m not on the web version joe
Because I’m not on branch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:27
Erf
So here's the part where I admonish you for not using branches LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:28
Yes yes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:28
Wait
Hold on
Let me revert my merge
Then you merge your file
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:28
If you had confirmed I wasn’t working on AM still first it wouldn’t have been an issue ;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:28
Then hopefully I'll be able to merge mine
Yes but if you were working in a branch it wouldn't matter LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:28
That might work?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:28
Maybe?
Worth a shot
Okay, revert complete
Speaking of Slaanesh
This happened last night
20181210_011940.jpg
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:36
Ok
Elysian/DK/AM relics are on master
You should be able to merge/fix yours in now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 15:37
and delete stale branches Cough**cough
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:42
Okay
Someone please verify that what's in Master now is correct and complete
I did a couple of spot check and it appears to be correct
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:52
Also
How's that Sisters cat coming along @alphalas ?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:53
keeps getting backburnered :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:53
You know, the thing you insisted on doing yourself and that you were all excited about doing? :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Uh huh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:53
im working on it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:53
By unimportant things LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:53
arguably relic validation was more important
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:56
I mean, we've made it this far without it LOL
(You do know I'm just messing with you, brother. Right?)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:56
but consistency is key ;)
oh i’m aware :P
….
fuck
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 15:56
?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:57
@Kohato it didn’t work
i gotta go over conditionals again
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:57
if you're trying to merge, you need to do a PR
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:57
no i’m referring to something he and i were discussing on fb
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:57
otherwise you're just pasting over the top
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 15:57
relic conditionals
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 15:58
oh, i thought you were looking at the latest commit wrt merging CA points into your updated cat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 16:00
No joe and I got that all squared away
His changes and mine are both there
It’s just my changes didn’t work right
So at least now I can try to fix them without worrying about his CA changes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:05
Parent has at least 1?
I swear I do it for WT on IK. It should work in some permutation
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:11
Oh - ok - so for IK - I have SSEGs each linked to all characters, then hide them if parent has < 1 selection of <Warlord>
So try count of selection rather than ancestor?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:20

You know what this needs ?
https://i.imgur.com/OiCbBuA.jpg

yup
https://i.imgur.com/Zo5B6Fx.jpg
three more ... we have reached Defcon Wraith 12 people !

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:20
I do like 12.
I have 6 normal pose and 6 scorpion pose.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:21
I don't care what the hell else CA brings .. I might even buy a few whip coils just 'cuz I can now !
I thought about the scorpion ones .. but I only had 3 and wanted to keep them alike ... wish I'd done it when I first started though
they look amaziiiing !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:22
Ehh, whip coils are still not worth it.
Bare bones wraiths.
+1 I was well worth it.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:23
yeah, these are naked ones ... built the others in 7th when they worked gud
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:23
Garaunteed fight is not if you are charging smart.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:23
whip coils should be "Always fights first" rather than always fights if dead
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:23
Like Daemonettes
Now that would be something to give consideration to taking.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 16:24
...unless they're charged grumbles
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:24
re-animate, fallback .. charge back in ... Novokh for days
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:24
Turns into a First Strike-esque phase like in MTG.
I rarely have CP for reanimate.
I use it for Mephrit Tesla Immortal fun.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:25
I only ever spend on EP - destroyers and reanimate wraiths ... also ... save one for bringing a CCB back from the dead
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:25
10 Tesla Immortals, an overlord, + the mephret strat means Tesla on 5+, Dakka Dakka Dakka on 6+
So you pay points for 2 CCBs ;)
Because the whole unit isn't prevent from death, it comes back, meaning points :p
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:27
yeah .. but I'm a sucker for an invuln relic on a QS boat ... I call it my friend maker
I... what ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:27
You mean the strat to resurrect the CCB after death?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:27
I need to pay points for the resurrected boat ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:27
Mmhmm. RAW
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:27
holy ..... not telling anyone that !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:27
You only do not pay points if you replenish models to a unit, if the whole unit is resurrected and re-set up from death, you should pay points.
It's horribly stupid and shouldn't be that way, but RAW consistency with other codexes, yep - points.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:28
that sucks ... like .. a LOT
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:28
Mmhmm.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:29
I'm going to go and sit in traffic for 2 hours now to contemplate this news ... I fear for the other drivers on the road @Kohato ..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 16:29
Haha, GL.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 16:29
later dudes
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:19
okay, so does Guilliman have to pay points to get back up ? his ability is worded the same way afaik
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:20
His is "Prevent the death" i believe.
The FAQ is that if a new unit is brought to the board, points are paid. If a unit that is not destroyed is replenished (up to starting count) no points.
The crux is, the overlord/CCB is destroyed
so what comes to the board has to be a new unit.
the old one doesn't exist.
It's meant to pay for summoned things, but pending wording ... things that are gone from the board and then brought on are technically new items.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:24
his wording is verbatim the same as the nanoscarab casket .. and the reanimation stratagem ... also ... it works on any character from your army apart from C'tan and Trazyn .. most of which are "Only one model per army" so ... you can't buy 2 of them in your list
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:24
Interesting
I'd love to be playing it wrong then.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:26
me too ... for the love of the silent king please lol .. but I very much see your point that RAW it sounds like points need to be spent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:26
I've posted it for FAQ, but it's yet to be addressed :(
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:27
not many competitive players take it so I bet it's not come up at a tourney whether Gman gets up
outside of OPEN
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:27
Indeed.
I can't think of another strat/relic that allows that sort of thing either.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:28
anyhoo, you looking at anything significant in your crons list now the points have changed ?
Celestine ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:28
I can make a double Ark, 12 Wraith list with Nightbringer and scarabs.
She's immediate.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:29
geminae ? if both die
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:29
Old book? They were part of her unit.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:29
ah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:29
Unit wasn't killed, they rezzed for free.
New book, no clue since they're separate.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:30
I see a precedent being set within a week then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:30
Oh yea, I'm hopeful to get some sort of precedent. Luckilly it's not number crunch - so the cat is good either way.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:30
Crons = no one cares ... but as soon as sisters try it ... "Everyone loses their minds!"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:30
but yea for crons my normal lists dropped 150-200ish
Everything that dropped is stuff I use, save for Stalker - i've yet to get one.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:31
I want to try throwing Praetorians into a list
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:31
I have 10, blade and pistol, never really used the much.
Lychguard far more.
Now that Obelesk dropped a significant amount I may actually try that in a few lists.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:32
RoC on mine ... I used LG once and failed every damn invuln .. didn't even drop a mortal wound in return lol .... I bought new dice since
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:32
Would counter the shit out of flyers.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:34
well... no one would see it coming that's for sure .. wish the monolith had better guns ... 12 shots with no AP is a sorry affair
they are literally huge ass gauss guns and don't do diddly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:35
Monolith is gauss I thought ...
Vault had the tesla.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:35
yup S6 no AP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:35
well shit that sucks
shows how much I run my pyramid.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:36
ignore me ... S5 -2 AP
so the same gun an immortal has
they should be the same as Destroyer weapons for the cost .. even at 320 points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:37
won't argue there
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:37
played one for fun last week .... wasn't fun
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:40
Unless you're dumping lychguard out of them
I can't see a benefit.
#3999 I'm having a stroke.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 10 2018 18:41
and 225 for the deceiver to get it close with a potential for spending emergency CP .. yuck
lol ... yeah there's probably a logic in there ... somewhere
but.. not actually a question or request ... maybe he got lost on the way to argue about it on Dakka
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 18:44
and started mid argument
lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 19:09
@lots to, I suspect this is the same person who logged the same issue earlier today or yesterday. It's the same writing style.
@Kohato even. Flipping mobile app.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 10 2018 19:10
Haha
Lots will be surprised to get a summons
lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 10 2018 19:32
In answer to the questions about who created the Ynnarii merge script - it was @USSX-Hares who wrote it originally using python. It was complicated and once we had the newer version of battlescribe and a change in mindset of how to maintain the CAT we stopped using it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 19:38
@Kohato i believe they're trying to say that the servo-arm should be included in the base cost of the model
instead of having to pay the 12pts on top of the model cost
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 19:43
snerk
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 10 2018 20:11
but....
I....
why does he think we update the model cost and not the servo?
you have the wrong points there already
erh
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 10 2018 20:29
@/all anyone who wanted in on the vigilus and CA digital coop message me and I'll give you the details
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 10 2018 20:31
@acebaur can't find the DM button on mobile site but I'm interested
tekton
@tekton
Dec 10 2018 20:33
@axisofentropy you can "search gitter" for a username, it's not super intuitive ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 10 2018 20:35
@WindstormSCR thanks for doing the bulk of the work for Craftworlds update
I noticed a couple of points were off, I think you' got Wraithlords at 82, but actually they're 85 bas
and you'd missed Hornet Pulse Lasers - because it is pointed within the model
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 20:35
ah, good catch
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 10 2018 20:36
consistently inconsistent that the only place the Hornet pulse laser is noted is on the model itself :smile:
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 10 2018 20:39
Don't see that option on mobile @tekton
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 10 2018 20:47
@axisofentropy I think you can only do it from pc
You can just send me payment (2.50 per book) to acebaur@gmail.com
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 20:48
You hit the Back button at the top left (on Android, anyway) so see "All Conversations"
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 10 2018 20:48
Just be sure to send me a DM before Friday so I don't forget to send you the link
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 20:48
Hit the plus at the bottom right
and add username as a conversation
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 21:10
@tekton and @CrusherJoe are the only ones with issues left aside from kohato's anuerysm
Also the BFG II beta is fantastic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 21:11
wut
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 21:11
getting my butt spanked as eldar because of the increased scale of things, but ti's damn fun
the wolf bugs
want any help with them?
I have a free day of slowness
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 10 2018 21:22
I already set @Kohato on my nightmare that is relic validation for AM
If you wanna cross-check Elysians or DK go for it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 21:28
Nah I just waxed em
And pruned muh branches
So you can take me off the poop list lol
tekton
@tekton
Dec 10 2018 21:30
When I’m done in my garage I’ll double check the last two- there were a few things lost in a recent merge I need to redo
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 21:30
December is historically a slow month for me and my company (well, either feast or famine). We use it as a time to kinda catch up on loose ends and whatnot
But I've pretty much done that already
So now I'm just waiting on DHL to deliver a big ol' box o' crack
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 10 2018 21:46
hehehehe
whatcha waitin' for?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 21:51
I ordered one of the IF boxes
that's going to be fun
especially with the plasma redemptor now having a more solid place in my list
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 10 2018 21:54
I'm hoping to pick up Wake the Dead some time in the near future
then I will have all the models I'll ever need for my Wraith army
well... for now at least
and I'll be able to top up both my Dark Angels and my Deathwatch with the Primaris dudes
it's a win:win - just like Death Masque which started me down the route of painting sooooo much black
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 22:00
@FarseerVeraenthis I'm waiting on...um...Carnodon battle tank, an actual Primaris Psyker (I'm using Wyrdvanes as Primaris right now...), a Tech-Priest, Artemia Pattern Hellhound, and a Leviathan dread
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 10 2018 22:03
that should keep you occupied for the next six months then
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 22:04
The Carnodon goes into the queue. The Leviathan goes into the Slaanesh queue, as I got it specifically for shooting duties for naughty girls.
The Artemia will join its mate, and the Tech Priest is there for "when I get around to running a cheap-ass AdMech battalion to see if I can make them support the Castellan as I think I can"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 22:15
@FarseerVeraenthis I'm on the fence about wake the dead, I want the spiritseer, but I dunno if I really need the rest
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 10 2018 22:42
So the new Intercessor datasheet in CA. What's changed?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:00
powerfists
because of the new IF frame
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 23:00
Are they still rifle and/or melee weapon?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:01
I didn't save a clear shot of it, let me go look
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 23:01
Just to make implementation fun.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:02
anyone have a good screencap or do I need to go squint at SS82?
looks like only change is adding the PF to intercessors
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 23:08
yeah, it's and/or
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:08
and I'm going to assume they'll make an errata for DW
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 23:08
So, yes then.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:08
so can just add PF to both sections like the chain and power sword
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 23:09
Makes the validation a pain because you have to make sure the Sgt matches the others
If he takes a rifle
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:09
at least it's already set up that way, so can just add in the fist
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:14
someone doing that or should I toss it in
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 10 2018 23:23
Ok sent some monies
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 23:32
@CrusherJoe Merry Christmas (#4003)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 10 2018 23:38
@WindstormSCR, don't think it's setup that way in SM, at least.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:38
I'm looking at how to fix that right now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 10 2018 23:50
screenshots have gone walkies, or something...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 10 2018 23:59
made it work