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11th
Dec 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 00:00 UTC
@Mad-Spy wasn't actually as bad as expected
simply used a "melee and pistol only" checkbox
might rename it to "Melee weapon replaces rifle"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 00:05 UTC
@GenWilhelm
God damn it
I blame @alphalas
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 00:07 UTC
for what, the mess that is the IG cat? lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 00:08 UTC
Why...yes, actually. Exactly that. :)
I'm hoping when 2.magic version drops we can re-do all of it into something less...scattered
tbf I had a lot to do with that mess, as I helped him implement it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 00:09 UTC
yeah, always that elusive 2.02
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 00:09 UTC
So truthfully...I blame me, too LOL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 00:10 UTC
something that i keep wishing we had is a modifier to multiply
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 00:19 UTC
Also the Rough Riders plasma gun points value is correct. They are BS4 models, so 7 is right
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 00:23 UTC
ah yeah, the BS4+ cost didnt change
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 11 2018 00:24 UTC
I still blame you for not coordinating with me :p
I kid I kid
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 00:39 UTC
Arrighty, it's done
Thank you for doing that @GenWilhelm
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 11 2018 00:41 UTC
@GenWilhelm if you can do that for DK/edt I’ll be thankful
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 11 2018 02:04 UTC
@WindstormSCR The dreadnought chainfist is 46 points still, looks like it's dropping to 38
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 02:06 UTC
I left a couple of things that were very blurry in the set I had
going to give things another pass when I have the digital
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 11 2018 02:07 UTC
this is the one I'm using
most of the SM stuff is clear on there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 02:13 UTC
404
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 11 2018 02:15 UTC
SM CA.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 02:15 UTC
Page Numbered, Ordered.
Multiple Versions.
Enjoy.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 11 2018 05:33 UTC
ok, GK re-fixed, and issues closed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 05:53 UTC
Anyone have that link to the pic with the new Horrors and Fiends datasheets?
I can't seem to find it anymore
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 06:33 UTC
Those two are already implemented so you can look in the Daemons cat. Horrors didn't change again so they were easy.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 11 2018 06:45 UTC
@acebaur
Nevermind finger slipped
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 11:31 UTC
what I would give for a decent primaris transport that wasn't loaded with guns
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 11:39 UTC
but, MOARA DAKKA!!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 11:39 UTC
what I would give for a non-repulsive looking primaris transport..
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 11:40 UTC
also, I had a thought (slightly less powerful because storm shield came down, but still...), do you think going from hammernators to vanguard veterans with hammers and bolt pistols is a good trade off??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 11:50 UTC
tbh the repulsor has grown on me
and its not exactly out of line with the likes of the land speeder
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 11:50 UTC
if you strap 6 more rocket pods on the land speeder...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 11:50 UTC
the marketing pictures of it were pretty crap, but in person it's not so bad
@Thairne have you seen one without all the crap strapped to the sides?
looks a lot better
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 11:51 UTC
the crap is exactly what I find so repulsive ;)
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 11:51 UTC
so true
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 11:51 UTC
makes it just too busy and ridiculous looking
without the crap? yes, I can see that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 11:55 UTC
yep
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 11:56 UTC
still kindy busy, but by far not as repulsive
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 12:02 UTC
there are actually people complaining that we didnt release data for unreleased books yet...
Thairne @Thairne does the Owen Wilson WHAOW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 11 2018 12:05 UTC
Yup
Always are
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 12:05 UTC
I'm not sure why that did surprise me though
I mean I'm in the "business" long enough.. but still
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 12:11 UTC
that "clean" repulsor does look better
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 11 2018 12:17 UTC
It does actually
I wonder how it'd look with a Pred Turret
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 12:20 UTC
tbh if I was going to mod it I'd keep the turret and reduce the prfile of the front "skates"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:11 UTC

there are actually people complaining that we didnt release data for unreleased books yet...

@Thairne - the same folks who I bet will NOT be putting their own money forward to get said book !

I think we can wait one more week - just to see if it's really GW trolling the entire fanbase with an early April fools CA ... and they have a different book
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:13 UTC
bugs me to no end when people use "BattleScribe said so" as a reason
"yeah, that's cool, but where does it say it in the codex?"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:13 UTC
the same folks that espouse " I never use Battlescribe it's never right ... there was this one error I had in 1997 and I never forgave them"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:14 UTC
yeah, that too, but those people are giving up on using a very useful tool just because of their stubbornness
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:15 UTC
the same guy that I play who insists on using an excel spreadsheet and I honestly never know what source he's using from Index / codex / FAQ / CA 17/18/19 etc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:15 UTC
I like the folks better that say "there's an error in the file, so I dont use it"
And I'm like "just report it FFS, thats why its in my sig"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:15 UTC
Yeah lol @Thairne "Report it .. so we can all have a laugh and close it as user error"
like this guy.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:16 UTC
and once people know you work on BS they tell you about bugs directly, rather than taking the 10 extra seconds to fill out a bug report
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:16 UTC
I edited the last part in after the fact..
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:18 UTC
I ... can't ... what ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:19 UTC
maybe the dude should work it out on pen and paper to get the correct numb- OH WAIT IT'S THE SAME NUMBER
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:19 UTC
60 pts per weapon? That cannot be true, they must have made an error, not me not reading shit!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:20 UTC
that sounds like such an egregious error. hope that gets fixed soon
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 13:23 UTC
the cost may not be bugged, but there is a typo in the entry :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:24 UTC
unacceptable. we need to git blame whoever did that and ostracise them!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:26 UTC
what does have an ostrich to do with punishment?
the opportunities that opens up tho...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:46 UTC
... I thought that was funny. Basterds! ^^
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter watches the tumbleweeds through the centre of Manchester
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter hears a distant bell tolling .. on a lonely hill
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:47 UTC
you forgot the crickets.
I dont like you guys anymore. You're bad people.
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter eats crickets ... crunchy
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:48 UTC
How's the fish tank ?
any progress
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:49 UTC
I linked it days ago ;(
;)
something went wrong tho, I pulled em out to try and let em cure for one more week, somehow a acrylic gloss got attacked which I applied to add some decals
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:50 UTC
I meant SINCE then ... you said there was some whitening of the resin ... SEE? .. I was paying attention .. honest
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:50 UTC
yes, yes you did indeed
the whitening was strangely invisible under water
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:52 UTC
I'd recommend crabs for the tank if the little bastards didn't escape so easily ... found one under the sofa dried out MONTHS after I thought the last one had died
would look awesome crawling over the marines
maybe shrimp
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:52 UTC
I actually plan to, neocaridina shrimps
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:52 UTC
AWESOME !
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:53 UTC
but first I need to get that sorted out (maybe just resin over the shoulder pad again to make sure... I might just do that today)
they'd help with the food wastage too, since those fish exclusively feed from the middle of the water column and therefore quite a lot sinks down and may cause problems over the long run
a few gribblys might help (and would make a good tyranid stand in)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 13:54 UTC
sorry, was typing up a piece on why the manticore is better than the basilisk
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:54 UTC
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 13:58 UTC
pretty damn awesome dude ..
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 13:59 UTC
currently a failure tho :/ I need to get down the root of the degradation... stressing me out a bit tbh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:05 UTC
Shows how many people use the t vault. Telsa spheres lol
Garauntee that typo has been there since 8e launched
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:06 UTC
I wish there was a way to make it not such a wobbly model ... I might buy one then ...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:06 UTC
It is sadly. I need to find a better way to mag it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:07 UTC
as for the typo .. you just put it there and my mind made the right word from the wrong letters dude .. so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:07 UTC
My dream was custom roller rails.
I've yet to find any that will fit
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:07 UTC
you mean to extend and retract ? from obelisk to vault
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:08 UTC
lol. it took me three tries to see where the typo was
brain just knows what the word is and carries on
also, thank god you're here, Earl. we have some people asking for a release before the book is out
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:10 UTC
Cynic Man to the rescue.
Yea Price
To extend and retract.
Then some sort of latch to hold.
Latch I think I can make - it's the roller rails I need to find first though.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:11 UTC
I admire your dedication ... I magnetised one GA/DDA and then gave the rest of the magnets away and never looked back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:11 UTC
Haha, I've done 2 of those.
Plus the boyz inside.
I recently unmag'd most of it though
I decided to keep both of mine as the GA config - but have the boyz and gun mag'ed - flipped the DDA gun upside down and shaved some parts.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:12 UTC
yup ... was early in my hobby when I was keen and untainted ... the next one I superglued so hard I don't think it'll ever come apart
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:12 UTC
It looks good, and is far less wobbly - I also gave it 2 flying bases for stability.
Front prow also mag'ed so to signify which config it is. Though I want to edit that one as well at some point with a spring latch.
Pull out, twist, push in.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:16 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MbN5e79pB0
I honestly didn't think it would be as sturdy as this makes it look
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:17 UTC
I should re-do my T-ct'an as well. It's stupid front heavy with the mag.
stays upright in games, but tips forward off it's base easily
also - omg are we gonna have 0 issues for ChapApp2 day?!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:23 UTC
looks that way
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 14:23 UTC
shhh. Stupid people can hear you.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:24 UTC
it'll be all nice and clean so we have somewhere to dump the many duplicate reports we'll inevitably get on day 1
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:30 UTC
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:36 UTC
@Kohato What Have you done ! .. we've broken Necrons
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/768096.page
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:37 UTC
Oh
I feel dirty.
BCB backs up the point I made
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:40 UTC
I kinda want to let the thread die .. but also want to wind him up some more ... I feel conflicted
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:41 UTC
whats going on? (cant view it at work)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:42 UTC
Do resurrections cost reinforcement points.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:42 UTC
continuing discussion arounf if Roboute costs re-inforcement points if he dies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:42 UTC
BRB says yes. RAI is clearly no.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:42 UTC
RAW .. you need point spare as he is officially reduced to 0 wounds thus slain and removed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:43 UTC
Same with necron rez's with the artifact and strat.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:44 UTC
ah right. yeah, if the ability doesnt stop the unit from being destroyed, then RAW you're creating a new unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:44 UTC
Bingo.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:45 UTC
but RG is unique as is half of the crons characters ... so they can't ever come back as you can't add them into your army twice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:45 UTC
Which renders a necron relic and strat useless. Also means you spend another 400p for roboute.
Celestine (index) noted that instead of dying, she rezzed - so she never died
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:45 UTC
I'm OK with half of this Scenario
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:45 UTC
it doesnt say that Price, it only says you can only have one in your army
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:45 UTC
big blue can suck my shiny metal....
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:46 UTC
if you kill a unique daemon, you can summon it back later with ritual
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:46 UTC
Right, you can only have 1 in your army - once one dies, it's no longer in your army
that's not the issue.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:46 UTC
and by spending points you add that model to your army a second time
yeah I know ... I'm conflating the issue ... basically do you need spare points to summon the boss back when he dies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:48 UTC
RAI, clearly no - strict RAW? I believe you do.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 14:49 UTC
^
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 14:52 UTC
as per that thread, the bobby g says "when reduced to 0 wounds do this" implying that he is not slain, so he's not a new unit, he just does a thing where he is removed for a bit then comes back, sort of like a y'vhara can do
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:53 UTC
What happens when something is reduced to 0 wounds?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 14:53 UTC
which, now i think about it, would mean things like soulburst don't activate
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:53 UTC
Inflict Damage: The damage
inflicted is equal to the Damage
characteristic of the weapon used
in the attack. A model loses one
wound for each point of damage
it suffers. If a model’s wounds
are reduced to 0, it is either slain
or destroyed and removed from
play.
p181
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 14:54 UTC
order of operations, datasheet rules always trump core rulebook rules, i think that's stated somewhere
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:55 UTC
You are correct. which is why "Instead of dying" would prevent point costs.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 14:56 UTC
the "reduced to 0 wounds" triggers guillemans rule, at the end of that rule's implementation, he is no longer at 0 wounds, so the 0 wounds trigger for him being slain never occurs
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 14:56 UTC
ohhhkay ... that's the bit I was missing ... that specific trumps rules .
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 14:57 UTC
but would that hold him in limbo for the entire phase?
since his resurrection does not happen immediately, he is at 0 wounds for the whole phase.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:00 UTC
you Roll when he hits zero and replace at end of phase so he can't be continually targeted
or if you roll 3 or less .. he dies
obviosuly
so yeah ... I'm happy that it works RAI .. I still want to wind BCB up some more .. stuck at work for another 90 minutes and I need to rant
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 15:02 UTC
fair enough, I can start using that argument to play nanoscarab casket too
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:02 UTC
yup, it's worded exactly the same
as much as I would have liked to have told my UM friend to pay 800 for blue boi .. I prefer RPing my CCB when it dies
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:09 UTC
Bob's ability also says to "set him up again" - you cant set something up if it's already on the battlefield, therefore he must have been removed before you reach that part (i.e. the end of the phase)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 15:10 UTC
I asked 40k for probably the 5th time since Necrons Dex came out
lets see what the anser is now :p
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 15:11 UTC
read the y'vhara rules (don't have em on me atm) cos thats something like "remove and set up again", guilleman is like that but triggers on 0 wounds instead of on nova charge
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 15:11 UTC
Is the y'vhara slain or is that a re-deep strike?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:11 UTC
re-deep strike
the ability says to remove it from the battlefield and put it "high in the sky"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 15:12 UTC
No issue there then, remove from battlefield and redeploy it while it's alive is different I'd think than set up again after something is at 0 wounds.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:13 UTC
Robot's doesnt say to remove him from the battlefield, implying that he is removed due to being slain
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:15 UTC
it's because of the implication ;)
I had to reference back to "Reduce to 0 wounds = destroyed / slain and must be removed"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:16 UTC
why do you keep using that word? are these primarchs in danger?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:25 UTC
obviously he just lies down for a bit, "resting" at 0 wounds, and then he stands up at the end of the phase
his ability is an interrupt
between being reduced to 0 wounds, and being completely removed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:31 UTC
if you make the roll, he will be effectively "in limbo", until the end of the phase. This would mean "removed from the battlefield" but not slain. because removed =/= slain
and hence, because he has been removed, he can be set-up again
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:33 UTC
yup ... you have to hold him hovering in place until the end of the phase ... still near the table but not removed to that 'other' location where the dead stuff is
not to be confused with the first location where reserves go .. which is separate to where your army is pre-deployment and not to be confused with where embarked units go ....
thanks for playing "Where the HELL is my STUFF!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:34 UTC
that's how it should work, Simon, but the rules don't say that. his ability should say "instead of being slain remove him from the battlefield..."
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:36 UTC
hmmm... the rules don't explicitly say he should be removed, and they also don;t explicitly state he is slain
because reduced to 0 wound =/= slain in this instance
because the ability triggers in the instant between being reduce to 0 and being removed as slain
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:37 UTC
his ability doesn't say that though, so he follows the normal sequence of being reduced to 0 wounds (after you make the dice roll), which is to remove him as slain
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:37 UTC
it doesn't say that
it doesn't say "after he has been removed as slain, set him up again"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:38 UTC
it doesnt override the default rules, which say when you are reduced to 0 you are dead
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:38 UTC
because the ability has interrupted the normal sequence
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:39 UTC
it adds an extra step in
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:39 UTC
yup, but he only comes out of that extra step at the end of the phase with D6 wounds
he therefore never gets to the step of being removed as slain
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:40 UTC
you cant set him up if he's still on the battlefield, so he has to be removed somehow before that happens
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:41 UTC
follow the logic ... reduced to zero wounds > Removed from play > Roll 4+ > finish phase > Setup on table > Pay points.. nothing exempts any step
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:42 UTC
and that is why the rule should FAQ'd - because we both agree he cannot be "setup twice", but the ability doesn't explicitly state HOW he is removed from the battlefield until he is setup again; does he go to magic land or is he in fact slain and resurrected
@sk_Father_Price_twitter your order is wrong
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:42 UTC
yeah, roll 4+ and removed should be switched
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:42 UTC
gotcha
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:43 UTC
reduced to zero wounds > Roll 4+ > Removed from play "somehow"> finish phase > Setup on table > Pay points????
the FAQ is; Slain = Pay points // "Limbo" = Don't pay points
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:44 UTC
the roll 4+ is simultaneous I guess .. regardless of outcome he is removed ... either permanently or until end of phase
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:44 UTC
but it doesn't say either way explicitly
hence the point of this whole discussion :smile:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:44 UTC
otherwise .. you can't score Slay the Warlord until you kill him twice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:44 UTC
which is what I've faced previously
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:44 UTC
or kingslayer
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:45 UTC
uhuh, is he dead or not?
no-one knows
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:45 UTC
one of which I think says Slain
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:45 UTC
in that moment between zero wounds and end of phase, i would say that he is slain
but checks for objectives dont happen until end of turn/end of game
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:46 UTC
actually ... did that get answered in an FAQ ? about killing warlords second time ...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:46 UTC
ooohh....... check the wording for Celestine in the Index...
yikes - she gets setup without being removed!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:47 UTC
yes she does, so there's no debate there
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:47 UTC
"On a roll of 2+ she is not removed, but is instead resurrected with all her wounds restored"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:47 UTC
so a 2++++ Feel no Death
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:48 UTC
lmao, Price
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:48 UTC
:+1:
it goes on "set up Celestine's model...."
although, that happens instantly
there is no reference to the end ofthe phase
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:49 UTC
but is the trigger reaching 0 wounds ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:49 UTC
"if Celestine loses her last wound"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:49 UTC
losing her last wound, yes
hmmm, does that mean she continues taking damage if you're mid way through an attack?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:49 UTC
I think that's rather careless of her to simply lose her last wound, you would think she'd be more careful...!!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:50 UTC
so, no limbo but instantaneously removed and re-placed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:50 UTC
well... yes, it would appear so
so a more immediate interrupt than RB's
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:51 UTC
that's important ... she IS removed .. because that negates any further attacks directed at her from the current attacking unit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:51 UTC
yeah, hers says 'instead of X do Y', whereas G-man just says 'do Z'
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:51 UTC
otherwise she dies to the first of 40 clutists with VotLW and gets up middle of the same volley
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:51 UTC
see... the rule specifically states that she is not removed
so that would theoretically be psossibl
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:52 UTC
if she loses that last wound = removed
then puff of angel smoke .. "Tadaaaaa"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:52 UTC
I quoted from the book earlier: "On a roll of 2+ she is not removed, but is instead resurrected with all her wounds restored"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:52 UTC
you missed me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:52 UTC
so she specifically is not removed
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:53 UTC
oh wow sorry I didn't realise it was a quote
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:53 UTC
(I don't know the markup for quotes)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:53 UTC
OK ..GG GW .. well bloody written
my bad not yours
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 15:54 UTC

start the line with a >, Simon

> Quote me, daddy.

becomes

Quote me, daddy.

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:55 UTC
So Celestine splits into multiple personalities when killed ... nice ... don't remove her & set her up .. in the same sentence
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:55 UTC
righto, that's eaier than I anticipated
exactly
is the wording for Trazyn the same in the codex as in the index?

because in the index, it says

If TtI is slain... or you rolled a 1, remove TtI as a casualty as normal.

so that indicates someone can be slain, but not removed...!!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:58 UTC

Codex

If Trazyn is SLAIN, roll a 2+ and remove another charater and replace with Trazyn

no setup, just replace
no mention of last wounds ... oddly specific
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:58 UTC
yup similar enough, so it is possible for someone to be "slain" but not removed from the battlefield
because that ability interrupts betweeen being slain and being removed from the battelfield
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 15:59 UTC
seems so
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 15:59 UTC
so, Celestine =/= Slain
Trazyn = Slain
RB = ??????
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 16:01 UTC
RB = reduced to 0 wounds
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 16:01 UTC
in the real word it is all semantics... but they become important in situations like this, and it demonstrates (yet again) the inconsistency within the GW rules writing team
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 16:01 UTC
RB steps into the astral plane where he is temporarily both slain and not slain
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 16:01 UTC
heheheh you got it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 16:02 UTC
"Get back in the Cylinder Roboute!" ... "we'll wake you up in a bit ... yeah we pinky promise!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 16:02 UTC
this is why you dont mix xenos and imperial tech
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 11 2018 16:03 UTC
i bet the eldar did this
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 16:04 UTC
it's an elaborate plot to destabilise Ultramar
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 11 2018 16:04 UTC
Emperor looks on ..."Oh, that's what my project does huh ?!?!"
"Nice!"
well, cheers guys ... that killed a couple hours ... another commute home with a mind full of hatred for convoluted rules scenarios
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 16:06 UTC
I blame Yvraine
she kill RB first, and then Rezz'd him - did she wait until the end of the phase??!?!?!?!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 16:07 UTC
it must have been the end of the phase, they had to wait for that heretek Cawl to stuff his body into the life support armour
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 16:12 UTC
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:01 UTC
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... I want to make the Power Reivers ... And Megazord.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:03 UTC
reminds me of something...
Magic is Heresy.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:04 UTC
hahah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:05 UTC
also.. fuck element games.
Backlog before:
20181211_190138.jpg
backlog after:
20181211_190221.jpg
Thairne @Thairne cries in nerd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:05 UTC
But see
Now you have 2 more dunecrawlers
and 4 more falloutbots.
and then some negligible other chaffe.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:06 UTC
that is pretty much the reason I got the boxes xD
anyone need 2 dakkabots? got some to spare...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:06 UTC
haha
I have 4 myself.
don't think I'll eve use more than that.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:07 UTC
6 is the magic number bro
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:07 UTC
haha
I think the only things I still need/want for my admech are 2 more boxes of infiltrators/ruststalkers
and 2 normal tech priests. After that I think I'm complete. on admech ... apart from the eventual Ulator.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:09 UTC
which are pretty useless... but with these I can build either a full unit of everything except priests and ballistari or at least 3 MSU
so I'm pretty much "done" too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:10 UTC
Yea, they're not that useful but I do want some to complete my set.
and cheap HQ filler.
I have 3 dragoons - no ballistari, but no desire for any.
Used to want 5, but 3 is plenty I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:17 UTC
im just considerung using ballistari in a mars list...
no idea if that works tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:18 UTC
I just find no use for the extra las punch - I have 2 dunecrawlers and usually pepper in a paladin or a helverin for some strong shots.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:23 UTC
that'S true
well, whenever I run through my backlog I might consider them again
currently thinking about turning those 20 sktiarii into peltasts and hoplites.. got the parts ordered for... cheap
i'd like to distinguish them paintjob wise from normal skitarii, but no good idea how yet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:27 UTC
That's not a bad idea.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 11 2018 18:29 UTC
probably painting the metal plating bronze instead of silver or something like that
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 18:50 UTC
So, gonna need some advice on this one, y'all
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:50 UTC
Take the money and run.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 18:52 UTC
wolvesss.PNG
Now
Simon Grant is part of Warhammer Community
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:52 UTC
Who are blog writers.
and not a part of GW's rules team.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 18:53 UTC
Agreed.
But I highly doubt he would make statements like that unless there's "official" okay
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 18:53 UTC
This change is in the leaked pages we've had.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:54 UTC
The correct points are clear as day.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 18:54 UTC
not sure why there would be any confusion on this? Wulfen and THC are not CHARACTERS, right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:54 UTC
Storm Shield (Characters): 10
Storm Shield (Other Models): 2
Characters is BOLD - so anything with a CHARACTER keyword is 10.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 18:55 UTC
^^ That's certainly how I read it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 18:56 UTC
The problem is TWC have their own Storm Shield points entry in the 'dex
Storm Shield (Thunderwolf Cavalry)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 18:57 UTC
(Other Models) seems to cover it nicely.
I see what you mean though, it's DP all over again.
Historically, (XXX) has always signified a modification of a price for XXX unit/wargear - I would consider it still a modification. So CA changes the price of Storm Shields - period, then has 2 modifiers: CHARACTERS and Other Models.
Is how I take it anyway/
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:00 UTC
That was my thinking, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't showing some kind of Wolfy-favoritism
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 19:00 UTC
Nope, I think you and Simon are spot on
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:00 UTC
That is legit the first actual good news about Wolves since 8e dropped
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 19:02 UTC
There's so much stuff that's been drastically reduced in price in this update.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 19:03 UTC
Yup. very few things got the up-bump
Counter knights by letting everything else get more things to shoot at them is pretty much the thinking.
then lower knight weapons by a hair :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:05 UTC
...except for the good ones LOL
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 19:05 UTC
Hey, more than I figured lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:06 UTC
"Volcano Lance 50 points"
aaaaahahahahahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaa gasp choke wheeeeeeze hahahahahahahhaaaaaaa
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 19:08 UTC
FW knights got a drop, and some carapace weapons did. And with no bump to castellan. I'm a happy robot master.
in two cases ... necrons got a lot of drops :p
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe grumbles something about "except for the Atropos"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:08 UTC
Which really needed a little discount IMHO
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 11 2018 19:14 UTC
Yea, just lancer and magera.
Acastus technically is in teh book, but was a CA17 drop.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 11 2018 19:23 UTC
If u wanna resolve this, email the organizers of ETC, LVO, ATC, etc and ask them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:24 UTC
Resolve what?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 19:25 UTC
probably the thing earlier about paying reinforcement points to resurrect Rowboat
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 11 2018 19:25 UTC
According to play testers chapter approved was sent to the printers before the knight codex was released. In fact it was sent to printers before the Dark Eldar codex was released. So that is why it is so far behind the meta.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 19:26 UTC
jesus... that would explain a lot
here's hoping they fix that with quick errata
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:27 UTC
Yeah I don't think most folks understand just how much lead time is involved in publishing dead tree books
I have a concept of how long it takes -- and I know it takes a while -- but most folks don't
I kind wish GW would just do the points adjustments in a PDF and do all the other stuff in the book
That way print lead time would cease to be a factor in points adjustments
But
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 19:29 UTC
i knew it was measured in months. wasnt expecting it to be over half a year out of date on release
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 19:29 UTC
You might say that I'm a dreamer
(but I'm not the only one)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 19:55 UTC
somebody please tell me my list is awful, kthx
https://pastebin.com/raw/7SYqiYdc
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:04 UTC
why catachan russ, when cadian gives you pask and a reroll 1s to hit when stationary?
I get reroll shots, but you already have that with the tank order
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:05 UTC
i want to do strike and shroud, so re-rolling shots is better than re-rolling 1s
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:05 UTC
ah
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:05 UTC
plus i can move around and still re-roll both
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:06 UTC
and I suppose you can do dirty things like full HF sponsons
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:06 UTC
lol. i might have to try a flamer demolisher now that they're reasonable pts
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:07 UTC
the only change I might make is get yourself a cadian LR annihilator instead of HWS
and cut points somewhere else to make it work
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:07 UTC
i really dislike the annihilator :x
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 11 2018 20:07 UTC
Hey anyone have Vigilus leaks?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:07 UTC
for looks or for rules?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 11 2018 20:07 UTC
We really should implement all that shit for this weekend too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:08 UTC
it's a stupidly effective AT platform with 5 lascannon shots
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:08 UTC
rules. it looks great, but it's too expensive compared to other russes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 20:09 UTC
This ^^^^
The humble battle cannon should take care of all your AT needs honestly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:09 UTC
with CA reductions, it's 2pts cheaper than a BC commander
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:09 UTC
hmmm
I'm still working up post-CA eldar and DW lists, but I'll post them here when I get done :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 20:10 UTC
I've been giving consideration to the humble Rapier Laser Destroyer
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:10 UTC
yes
I put in my order for a bundle of 3 rapier-alikes and weapons from kromlech yesterday
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:11 UTC
1 shot at BS4+. that's an oof from me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:11 UTC
I'm looking at them from marines
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:12 UTC
if they got tactics, i could see them being good in marines
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:12 UTC
shoot at 3+ rerolled, then DW strat for wounding on 2+
then do a fuckload of damage
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 20:12 UTC
I'm going to run a TC with relic BC from Vigilus
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:13 UTC
i still cant bring myself to pay for that relic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 20:13 UTC
(because I won't be able to give it to Pask...I don't think)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:13 UTC
that's right, named character
@alphalas idk if we have proper pics, but this looks like a decent quality vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k31jXkQsnhQ
much better than the one i used at any rate :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 11 2018 20:22 UTC
I'll check it out, both the ones I looked at were too blurry to do the wraith host and other one correctly
but I'm pretty sure I can roll it out fast once @acebaur has the epub
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 20:23 UTC
There's always that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 20:29 UTC
@axisofentropy thanks for the tip :smile: I think we were spitballing if we could puzzle it out from looking at other similar rules from different units
all we found was even more inconsistency than we previously realised
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:30 UTC
theyre consistently inconsistent :smiley:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 11 2018 20:30 UTC
We passed 4000 tickets today, so :beers: (or non-alcoholic drinks of choice) for everyone!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 11 2018 20:31 UTC
(paid for by the volunteers themselves of course)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 20:31 UTC
here's to another 4000 :beers:
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 11 2018 20:31 UTC
I'll have it Friday night
Just remind me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 11 2018 20:32 UTC
LOL
Right?
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 11 2018 22:23 UTC
@CrusherJoe I'm pretty sure the TWC do not get a point change to Storm Shields in CA
the codex has 3 point lines for Storm Shield, but CA only changes 2 of them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 11 2018 23:01 UTC
@CanisLupus518 it was discussed earlier, in case you missed it
https://gitter.im/BSData/wh40k?at=5c1007558d4f3a2a7ca7d1d8
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 11 2018 23:41 UTC
Guess I can’t argue with that. If only my FLGS cared about tweets.