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14th
Dec 2018
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 14 2018 01:53
@CrusherJoe do you have plans to do the SW Char Storm Shields? If you are busy, I wouldn't mind taking a stab at it
tekton
@tekton
Dec 14 2018 02:06
Fly means it’s harder to box your tank in though, and it can end up places the land raider can’t ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 02:13
@axisofentropy the biggest thing is a tarpit assault can't turn off its shooting, which is a reasonably big deal when playing casual mono-deathwatch
where you're not compulsively bringing 32 bodies for that and are mostly metal boxen or metal walker
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 04:11
Well i play Dark Angels so my Land Raiders can fall back and shoot
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 04:12
I shake my fist at you
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 04:34
yeah, I can just fit two repulsors, a storm eagle, and a redemptor or C-mortis dread in 2k double battalion
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 04:34
Just played a game against some Red Scorpions with Carab Culn the Leviathan dreadnought character. Folks, he is mean
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 04:34
any leviathan is mean
character leviathan is just that dialled to 11
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 04:36
Yeah he had two other leviathans
tekton
@tekton
Dec 14 2018 05:03
Leviathans are indeed fun
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 06:24
@CanisLupus518 nuts -- just now seeing your message. I did have plans to do them...actually should have done them already, but evidently my schedule got away from me today. Go ahead and knock 'em out if you want. If you don't get to them I'll do them tomorrow morning
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As per the usuge, as soon as I get something cool finished, it gets nerfed into the ground LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 06:29
what got nerfed about the artemia hellhound?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 06:29
+20 points
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 06:34
Though on the real that's probably fair LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 06:38
and here I've heard a lot of people saying multiple shots 1d is better than D6 2d
what's the rationale for taking it over a normal hellhound or even chemhound?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 07:55
It's cheap. :)
Like literally...the only reason
And I had an opportunity to pick a couple up, so...there ya go
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 08:12
@CanisLupus518 I took a pass at Wolfy character storm shield points. I think I got them all...but there's a chance I didn't. If you want to take a look at what's on master go ahead
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 14 2018 10:15
@Kohato do we accept index FAQ for codex units ?
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_index_imperium_1_en-1.pdf
Q: Does Roboute Guilliman’s ability to return to the battle
via the Armour of Fate require the controlling player to have
reinforcement points for it?
A: No.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 10:25
if the wording didnt change between the books then that still stands
@WindstormSCR artemia is 2d6k1 at D2, regular is 2d6 at D1.
so against W1 the regular is better, but against almost anything else the artemia is better
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 14 2018 10:28
I think it's like a scabbed over wound right now ... it's really annoying but no one wants to pick it apart too much ... so I'm leaving it as is and not paying points for RG or for Crons ... thanks for the rabbit hole though @kohato lol .. it's beena trip !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 10:29
and people dont use the chem cannon because the range sucks, you only get d6 attacks, and you cant use it for AA
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 14 2018 12:12
You're welcome :D
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Dec 14 2018 12:51
@CrusherJoe double checked the characters storm shields... as far as i can tell you got them all. I noticed several weapons haven't been updated, but those points are "not local". I'm too new to know where all of that links to, so I'm not sure I can help in that area
I guess the base weapon point changes have been updated, but the value in the link just isnt updating for me locally
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 14:24
You've imported the new .gst?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 14 2018 14:27
the absolute madman !

in other news ... and in an effort to distract me from CA2018
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/12/spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-review-more-spider-people-means-a-better-film/

Saw the trailer yersterday ...
"I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna I Wanna .... Nooooooowwww MOM Nooooow!"

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 15:12
@/all how close are we to being ready to ship?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 15:13
@CanisLupus518 thanks for checking -- yeah most of the weapon costs come from the GST
Guard and Wolves are done, unless someone else wants to make QC passes on them
Wait there was a thing I needed to do for Guard...and Wolves...oh, yeah...Vigilus
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 15:14
was @alphalas not handling IG vigilus?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 15:15
@GenWilhelm as far as I know CA points changes are all in for the Aeldari CAT's (thank you @WindstormSCR ) but I don't know about the Vigilus update
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 15:15
I'm going to bang those in tonight after Santa @acebaur visits my house :grinning:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 15:21
so should we just fire off a release at midnight, and then ship the remaining bits of vigilus when they're done, along with any initial fixes?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 15:30
sounds like a good plan to me
you know people will complain about points values not being updated at
....
they're already complaining so it doesn't matter :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 16:10
it must be midnight somewhere already, right?? If we release now, perhaps Appspot will take it's sh!t early and the files will be ready at midnight...??
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 14 2018 16:16
@GenWilhelm, I'm going to do R&H tonight, then all the Chaos should be done. I've done no Vigilus yet.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 16:16
lol, Simon. it's like 3 or 4am in NZ, right? :smile:
did chaos get anything in vigilus?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 14 2018 16:17
:shrugs:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 16:18
oh, there's the new BL raptor lord duder
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 14 2018 16:18
yeah, I think that's actually it.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 16:19
That movie getting great reviews
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 16:47
@FarseerVeraenthis the pics were too blurry to do wraith host and windrider properly
I plan to do them as soon as @acebaur has vigilus epubs to provide
I kind of have to since I want to use a wraith host this weekend!
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 14 2018 16:58
They usually drop around 7 pm
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 17:27
which timezone?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 14 2018 17:30
@GenWilhelm sisters rules are not done - hopefully I can copy-pasta them at 7pm EST
I would say sisters are not in a releasable state at this point
So I’ll have to scramble to get them done - I can :shipit: when I’m finished
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 17:32
You need help with The Disappointment Girls, @alphalas ?
Or rather, Adepta Disappointus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 14 2018 17:39
It should only be slight profile tweaks and rules copy-pasta I need to get done
And of course I’d like to verify all the changes I’ve already made before I shop
Ship*
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 17:59
Codex Adepta Disappointus smaller.png
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs
tekton
@tekton
Dec 14 2018 18:19
@CrusherJoe it's an army designed to take more models; no really, take more- if you thought that bringing that fun toy was a good idea but you're close to another faith point you're probably doing it wrong- MORE MODELS! I'm not sure how I feel about that base design...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 19:10
tbh they always have been the "pa horde" army
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 19:17
@WindstormSCR I agree and that's fine, I'd rather wait too :smile: "right first time" and all that...!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 19:30
eldar are now a puzzle to me
such crappy basic troops but so CP hungry
:(
makes me think about running asurmen just to not care about transports
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 14 2018 19:31
Holy shit busy day
I miss anything fun?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 19:31
morty is a lord of war right?
I think #4024 needs to read the codex
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 14 2018 19:32
Yes - I'm hoping he means he can't see Morty in a supreme command detachment?
Otherwise yes ... he needs to read the book
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 14 2018 19:38
Yeah, same as the guy who said the Ironclad points were wrong earlier when it exactly matches the book...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 14 2018 20:34
basically everything from the betadex, except datasheets
https://imgur.com/a/QkQGfhj
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 20:36
great
@WindstormSCR but you've been playing Eldar since forever...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 20:37
since the start of 8e
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 20:38
oh... I thought you were more of a lifer
but that's OK :smile:
what changed?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 20:44
WKs require a drip-feed of CP, on top of all the other uses that were already there (LFR, etc)
ideally needing 13 CP + to make it work over the course of a full game
but its nearly impossible to field dual battalions, and a spirithost supcom
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 20:47
aha, yeah, that's tricky
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 20:49
I mean, I had some eldar in 6th/7th, but they saw a total of maybe 6 games in that span
because I enjoyed jetbikes, but didn't want to be that unfun to play against
so I mostly played my RG
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 20:51
uhuh, I mean, the thing with eldar is that they loves them some tricksy tricks, BUT they are flexible
so your scenario above is extremely situational
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 20:53
I'm thinking I might re-evaluate my CP needs, and then try to fit that as a requirement and just try not to rely on having rerolls
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 21:02
that's probbly a good idea
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 21:09
because in my opinion, needing so many CP's for a particular "play" - that might not even come off - leaves you little roome for adjustments, or to take opportunities
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 14 2018 21:50
In case anyone cares Reese confirmed on SFTF that TWC storm shields are, in fact, 2 points
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 14 2018 21:58
Yay! party on!!
:partly_sunny:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 22:47
@FarseerVeraenthis I made it work
I had forgotten to remove the clowns I had added because of a gate
asurmen, autarch, farseer, warlock, 5x 5 DA, rangers, dark reapers, 3x wave serpent
then spiritseer, wraithseer, wraithseer, wraithknight
and a double-cannon WK at that
whole lot of hurt
might drop asurmen out for a cheaper HQ to get a fire prism in
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 14 2018 22:58
fire prisms work best in pairs and they're rly fun
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 14 2018 22:59
yeah, though one can still be a useful tool