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16th
Dec 2018
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 00:00
Ah ok
I need a copy of Vigilus for the new stuff if anyone has it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 00:03
@acebaur was doing the usual pool
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 03:29
so... in CA2018, storm shields dropped to 2 pom, but in Vigilus, they are listed as 5 ppm for the victrix guard...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 03:58
2ppm, both released on the same day and CA states it overrides all other sources
@flakpanda
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:00
@/all How many bugfixes have we fixed? We should get a release out and stave off some of these duplicates if we've gotten a good bit done
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 04:01
there is a fair amount of stuff, a release would be sensible
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:01
Alright, I'll put one out now and try to close some of these that are dupes.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 04:01
even if it doesn't catch everything
hmmm
battle honors I think we might skip
its not handling well in my test environment
as much as I'd like to include it, its just not sensible
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:06
Ok, release is out - gonna go through the master and see what bugs are dupes.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 04:08
I closed #4095 since the custom character stuff is there (just needs me to copypasta the abilities) and the WLTs are in
and since battle honors are a no-go
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:09
(y)
I'll link the stuff to crons tonight
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 04:28
any one doing gst work?
i need to go over wargear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:29
not at the moment - i'm just browsing it
trying to kill duplicate issues
I've assigned all the SM stuff to you and killed the dupes.
so what you have should be still wrong on live.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 04:34
nope, I junked my changes since they weren't working
@flakpanda do your thang
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 04:41
god damn near all wargear dropped in points...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:42
Mmhmm
luckily a good bit of it is already done.
in the GST at least
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 04:48
There.
Down to 18
Still things that we need to get fixed soon - but easier to read through
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 04:53
i forget, how do i link a commit in the comments after the fact ?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 04:57
can just comment on the commit with ref #
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 04:57
to late :p
closed all the SM issues
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 04:58
I mean go to the code history, find the commit, and ref it
:P
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 05:00
hmmm... i hope what i did gets pushed in that release he just did
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 05:05
It won't. But I can do another tomorrow morning.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 05:05
yeah, i dont like doing them back to back ,like that either
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:13
Serious question: Are you guys having fun yet?
:D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 05:14
i always have fun with your mom @cartag ;P
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:18
Dude, she's been dead for six and a half years, that's just disturbing.
I mean, I'm not one to kink shame, but seriously dude...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 05:23
Always fun lol. Welcome back to the fun
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:24
Taking a break from 40k has been healthy for me, painted an entire 3500 pt Stormcast Eternals army
The new custom character stuff looks interesting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 05:43
its pretty fun, my local group blacklisted the character sniper trait though
because someone pointed out you could put it on tank commanders and other silly things
Eldar can still do it, but I don't because I'm not that guy
@cartag what general flavor of casts?
my BCR/Ogres are my alternative models for paint when I get tired of black/red/silver for DW
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:46
Celestial Vindicators, they look really damn good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 05:47
wizardcast or mostly regular
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:49
About 50/50
Original starter set, the latest starter set, and a few extra Sacrosanct chamber units
and by "look really damn good" I mean "for my skill level they look really damn good because I think most of my stuff looks like shit and this army I'm actually proud of"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 05:53
they look awesome to me
I like the gryph-hounds, fantastic job there
robe shading is also A+
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:55
Thanks! I really like them too, seems they are a big hit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 05:58
an example bullyboy
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:59
Looks good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 05:59
the rust and stuff on the metal took some work to figure out
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:59
I like your skin tones
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 05:59
you want the secret?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 05:59
Sure
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:00
lahmian+bugmans glow to make a wash
it makes something a bit lighter than reikland does
and thinner
then just use the flesh color to cover over where its settled on raised stuff
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:01
nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:01
the big thing I'm doing with the BCR is anything ogre-fashioned is bronze/pot-metal
and the only stuff alowed to be iron/steel is obviously looted
since they're an always on the move alfrostun
no facilities for forging
it lends them a certain authenticity that I found surprising
but lots of fun
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:04
Here's what I've been doing on my Khorne guys https://imgur.com/a/yWTvRmX
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:04
plenty of rust/dirt/verdegris/etc
oh
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:04
That sounds cool
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:04
if you want a really cheeky/cheaty verdegris/weathered effect on bronze surfaces
without going overkill from nihilak
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:05
You know, Nihilak is what I used on the skin for the blue gryph hounds. Sorry, sidetracked
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:05
use coelia greenshade straight over warlock bronze
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:05
good idea
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:06
it dulls the reflection, gives a nice greenish tarnish coat, then use nihilak with a wipe-off to get deep recesses
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:08
Thanks for the tip
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:08
I discovered it painting up a couple of AoS scenery peices for the local
it works very well on the occulum
since I was trying to do aged metal on that and there was nowhere for the nihilak to grab much
that's actually the same method used on the jaws bits of that ogre's belly-plate
why they're not very reflective
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:25
If anybody here has a 3d printer, check this out. Tons of good terrain: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printablescenery/dwarves-elves-and-demons/description
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 06:29
yes
I'm currently making an entire cities of death forgehive table (might actually model it after vigilus megaborealis) from thier stuff and some of the GW bits
the zone mortalis and hab blocks are A+++
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 06:30
nice
I just got into it and it's my first KS for files
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 07:26
So gonna bring this up here for discussion
We need to change the name of the Sisters datafile to Imperium - Adepta Sororitas beta
It is most definitely NOT Adeptus Ministorum any more, even if the majority of the units are the same the "book" is not the AdMin section of Index Imperium 2 anymore -- it's Codex: Adepta Sororitas beta
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 08:14
OMG @acebaur Kobo is the best epub reader for Android...it actually displays things RIGHT, and zooms! Perfect! Thanks for recommending it
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 11:08
rakuten kobo?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 16 2018 11:31
@cartag welcome back man, great to hear you're all well! :)
@CrusherJoe I'd propose actually creating a separate datafile, since I guess we already know the future codex name, and it might not contain all the old AdMin stuff (which will still be legal, if not overridden by Codex). And while at it, keep {BETA] tag just in internal data name, not in filename, because after codex drops, we want an in-place upgrade for people, I guess.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 11:51
@amis92 there is no difference between AdMin and AS though, effectively. I’d rather not duplicate everything just cause
Rename might be the better option; but I’ll deal with that after I take care of my bugs
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 16 2018 12:37
Also I noticed in the front of the beta codex section, hand flamers across the games get changed to Pistol D6 and the Crusaders datasheet replaces all others currently
Like the one in the AM codex
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 16 2018 12:51
@alphalas I'll trust you with that decision :)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 16 2018 13:10
@alphalas re #4083 I really think there's a valid argument here to be made. If you can point me to any example of introducing changes in terms of wargears with multiple costs that changed categorization in points update, please do so.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 16 2018 13:13
@CrusherJoe yeah man!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 13:13
@CrusherJoe or @Kohato had a specific example where Pete foley(one of the GW dudes) tweeted about twolves having 2pt ss - that seemed like evidence enough to me but if we really want to get into it I guess not?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 16 2018 13:15
Well. I mean, if Pete Foley is rules writer, we could take that as an evidence, although it's kind of conflicting with our https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Guidelines#0
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 16 2018 13:29
I say we leave it as written until the CA FAQ comes out
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 13:46
As written is 2 points.
"Storm Shield" is the wargear entry, with exceptions called out in ()'s
Newest publication wins. Newest publication has Storm Shield (CHARACTERS) and Storm Shield (Other Models) - TWC Falls under Other Models.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 13:54
It was from Simon Grant also, not Foley.
Also GW guy, but just a Community Team member.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 13:56
i agree with OP that RAW it doesnt include TWC. but we've had multiple clarifications from GW people that RAI it includes them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:01
BattleScribe version: 2.02.00
... Did Jon throw that out just randomly?
No ... 2.01.05 is still what's on his site
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 14:03
Yeah ios is 2.01.19
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:04
It looks like if you flag the desktop version for beta/alpha it will DL 2.02
So that's fun.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 14:05
Nifty
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:05
Also - as for Ad-Min - I don't see why renaming would cause many issues. Data update would grab that and keep the old AdMin cat, we'd have some out of date bugs where we tell them to use the proper cat, and on full data reload it gets fixed for them.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 14:07
Well if the UID of the cat doesn’t change, wouldn’t it just auto-update the name too?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:07
Depends.
If you change the file name itself
there will be issues with dupe UIDs
If you change the name IN the cat - then no issue at all, you're right it will just rename.
I was thinking incorrect.
I'd say keep the file name the same and rename the cat name in the cat. It'll be just like IK
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 14:08
Agreed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:09
Filename is Questor Imperialis, but the cat name is IK
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 14:09
Also it’s not like Adeptus Ministorum is the wrong name, it’s just the name of the parent organization lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:10
Agreed. I forsee no issues just renaming the title in the cat.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:15
@amis92 Are you gonna be able to add the Eight today? If not I can knock that out so we can get another release out later.
@GenWilhelm Thanks for the help :D I'm glad we're mostly into dupe issues now.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 14:17
yeah, seems like it
it helps that i did some of those fixes myself ^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:18
Haha yea
If we can get the rest fixed today and throw out a build tonight that'd be gold :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:52
Who put half a point in things?
lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 14:52
for when a pair of something is an odd number
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 14:54
Haha fair. First time I'd seen an entry like that.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 15:03
FW levi was already fixed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:05
Man you take a little nap and come back to a wall of text LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 15:05
just 2 for me to squash once I’ve finished doing some other things then
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:06
@/all the TWC storm shield thing: confirmed by not only the GW Comm guy, but also by Reece during the last Signals from the Frontline cast
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:07
Yea, things happened. Lol
Luckily we're close to no issues :D
Just Iain to do a chunk of them, then the sisters stuff Jon is doing.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 15:08
I fully expect it to be errata’d shortly, so do the wolfy thing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:08
Oh that was already done
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:08
^
That's why I closed it initially :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:08
Mainly, because it's correct :smile:
As for the AdMin/Sisters thing
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 15:09
it's RAI atm, not RAW
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:09
It's RAW if you take "()'s" as modifiers to wargear lines.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 15:10
that would be inconsistent with how other factions are done
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:10
Which ones?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 15:10
tau and guard, from memory
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:11
Tau I recall, yes - they have the same brackets for things.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:11
The actual name of what we're drawing the information from isn't "Codex: Adeptus Ministorum", it's "Codex: Adepta Sororitas (beta)" (or however you wish to designate it as beta)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:12
Aye, that's what Jon's gonna change the cat name to leaving the filename the same.
Cause filename changes are dirty and cause problems.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:13
C'mon @alphalas how many damned years have we been waiting for codex to call our own? I'll give you a hint: the last time we had something worthy of being called our own it was called Codex: Witch Hunters LOL
Not that this was what any of us was really hoping for...but I digress
In other news, a group of us drove up to Waco ("It's like Corpus, minus the beach" <-- city slogan) yesterday and my boy Chris Fischer who hasn't played 40K but a handful of times since 8e dropped rolled up with his brand new Speed Freeks army (nothing but buggies, trikes and so on) and he came in second. I came in third because I lost the final on table 1 by 4 points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:16
See, now that's the kind of ork army I like.
I hate horde. But cars and tanks? Hell yea.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:16
It's a fucking exercise in brutality
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 16 2018 15:17
I'll get my touch ups done tonight.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:17
Cool @Mad-Spy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:17
...and mobility
It makes Dark Eldar seem creaky and slow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:17
wow, that's surprising
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:18
Those shokk jump dragstas (or whatever dumbass orky name they call it) can just bounce all over the board
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:19
glad he's liking an army enough to play 40k again tho!
always good to hear
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:19
I got to watch him play most of Game 2, because I got paired against a guy with 2 shadowswords and a stormlord with a trojan and a few mortar squads
...and he lost the roll to go first
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:19
Which - btw is the reason deep down I don't really mind a bit of power creep. IT brings people back and new people in. And they have fun, which is awesome to see.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:20
Oh man the smile of his face put a smile on mine
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:20
Exactly.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:21
And man have I missed going to events with him. He makes me feel like I'm not the only sick bastard in the group. The jokes we made all the way there and back. We were laughing our asses off.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, it what I call a good day of geeking, gaming and friends.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:22
Glad you had fun :D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:24
I had 3 fun games. Game 2 was my revenge from the last time I played that guy (whose name escapes me) as he was my tie in my last event in that area
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:26
what'd ya run?
Girls?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:26
And Bryce (final opponent FTW) is someone that we've been dodging each other for 3 events now. Nasty, nasty list, beautifully self-painted army, class act all the way. Nothing but respect for him even though he rolled out with Eldar queso and it was a very, very spicy queso indeed. 3 Voidraven bombers and a Razorwing fighter
Nope
CA wasn't allowed -- events usually don't allow now material/sources day of release
So I ran a version of the same old filth I've been running
Two Guard battalions all infantry squads with mortars, 3 total company commanders, Pask with BC/LC/PC, basilisk 2x Artemia pattern hellhounds, 2xhelverins and Nex Regina ("The Queen of Death") the Castellan
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:31
Mmm Knight Soup with a side of IG flak jackets.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:31
I murdered 3/4 of Bryce's flyers T1, the last one T2. You what kills Razorwings that are -3 to hit DEAD? a volcano lance.
Especially when you've already tagged it with the Artemia
I do think I'm going to swapperoo one of the Artemia for a Carnodon with all multi-lasers. That should help extermine elves and orks alike, plus cheaper. Giving serious consideration to swapping Pask for TC with same loadout and then giving him the relic BC
Because D3 is just...well...better
Also
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:36
(and I know how this is going to go over)
But my fevered brain wants to say that since Celestine is now a single model and used to be a unit before can't the old Celestine be used since Index fuckery?
The old Geminae were wargear
....basically
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe is REALLY reaching here and he knows it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:38
They weren't wargear, they were models in the unit named Celestine.
But yes - the datasheet has been updated.
Old Celestine is gone.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:39
But since the Geminae were options from the Index version...
Come on man, it's a valid argument :)
(and yes, I'm fully aware of how wrong I am...but think about it for a moment...I think there's some validity to it...)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:39
They were options in the same way a Heavy Weapons Unit can be taken in a Vet Squad
Lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:40
Personally I think it should be use new Celestine datasheet (which is...ugh) with Geminae from Index as "options from Index"
Because fuck you GW and your flowchart
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 15:41
what wargear does your model have that is in the index but not in the codex?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:41
Options, not wargear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:41
They're not wargear.
Lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:41
I mean they really are
What does the damned flowchart say?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:42
Flowchart is wargear.
They are wargear in the same way that a Heavy Weapons unit is wargear.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:42
Like it uses the word wargear in all instances? Not options?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:42
"Heavy Weapons Platform"
Aye.
"Wargear Options"
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Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:43
A heavy weapons team is just two guardsmen that are already in the squad given the wargear of a heavy weapon
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:44
Yea, I know that's a bad example due to how badly that is intepreted by people.
Heavy Weapons Platform
From Craftworlds.
Not wargear, it's a model in the unit that can be taken that has it's own profile.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:45
Yeah, yeah
I know
I'm just sad.
lol
It was kind of a "run it up the flagpole and see who salutes" thing :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 15:46
theres no end to the amount of cheese people will attempt by misreading that flowchart
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:46
Lol
Sorry, no Old Celestine here
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:46
And I'll be the first one to admit I'm being that which I hate by even engaging in the thoughts
"Mah cheese! Ah've gots ta have mah cheese!"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 15:46
Oh I don't doubt we'll get an issue at some point.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:52
Also the TWC thing is going to stay 2 goddamned points until something from GW officially states it isn't.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 15:59
Also...because it has come up in the ITC TO group
What about the old Imagifier model from the Index? Still a valid unit from Index...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 16:09
Imagifier?
yea, it shoudl be there - is it not?
It's abilities are probably useless
with the AOF rework
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 16 2018 16:17
yeah, if it is index-only, its ability doesnt do anything
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 16:18
But hey, cheap elite filler I guess
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 16:19
My thoughts exactly. The Imagifier has the "simulacrum imperialis" ability -- which is no longer an ability, but a piece of wargear
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 16:41
hehe
what gems you can find at 9gag in the WH section...
https://9gag.com/gag/aD1xmGK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 16:41
haha
tekton
@tekton
Dec 16 2018 16:49
@cartag it's late, but if you want a "greasy" worn look for bronze: athonian camoshade, and then a second pass of of it on smaller spots to make it a dull reflection
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 17:00
Well thanks for that rabbit hole @Thairne LOL
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 17:01
noone told you to scroll :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 17:01
Oh no no you misunderstand me -- I embrace the rabbit hole
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 17:02
in that case... you're welcome :D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 17:02
:+1:
cartag
@cartag
Dec 16 2018 17:12
Embrace the Rabbit Hole is my Pink Floyd cover band
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 17:14
Rabbit Hole -- smaller.png
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 17:16
hum
something is wrong here.. I cant seem to find some changes I did yesterday on the dark angels cat...
I must've screwed the commit up somehow..
no wait.. did...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 17:22
I did pulls before any pushes, i double checked to make sure I hadn’t overwritten anything
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 17:22
currently it looks like BS changed its data folder to a local repro and away from my dropbox...
ah now
that looks more familiar
weird. I used my phone today for a small tutorial game.. dont understand how or why, but it fucked up my data folder location in the desktop version so I was on the official release branch and a version below what I did
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 17:32
so nevermind, all should be fine. Confused end user met a confused data author and caused... confusion
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:05
@CrusherJoe I updated the imagifier to have new simul (and the 10pt increase to go with it)
So yes pretty much useless lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:05
um
Why?
No where in the index did she have the wargear of SI
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:06
Because her ability became wargear and has points cost
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:06
But it didn't
Er
Man I dunno
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:06
Yes it did
That’s how it works lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:06
SI only effects the unit its in, right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:07
If it has points, you pay the points
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:07
Because an AoE would just be too much, wouldn't it? LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:09
Yup
Just model’s unit
So imagifier is basically completely useless
Especially because she doesn’t have a bolter but the girls in the squads do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:10
Yeah....completely useless
Also -- and this is probably a nitpick, but relevant -- The "no force org slot" units should be hidden until the appropriate unit is taken
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:12
They are joe
Unless you broke son
Something*
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:12
Oh probably
LOL let me check again with a brand new list
Okay looks like I needz moar coffee
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 16 2018 18:28
Isn’t that always a thing with you?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 18:29
Lol
It's noon he's not awake yet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:31
Hey man I played in a tournament yesterday with a 1.5 hour drive to and from
Then stayed up waaaaay too late catching up and reading Vigilus
And then got 6 whole hours of sleep
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 18:41
Anyone else amused by the “totally not excommunicate legion” primaris chapters in vigilus?
Cawl be playing with fire
Totally not death guard (Castellans of the Rift), totally not world eaters (necropolis hawks), totally not ECs (sons of the phoenixj and totlly not Alph Legion (Void Tridents)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 18:50
So has anyone noticed the grammer and tense of Vigilus? It's written like an Imperial Armour (or any other FW) book -- in the past tense, like you're reading history
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 18:53
Actually the whole layout is taking cues from the way the 30k campaign books are laid out
and the sigmar ones
fusing the two into a fucking quality product
I found it a great read in contrast to previous campaign books
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 19:47
@CrusherJoe @alphalas its the reverse of what happened to the custodes vexillas
where people wanted to shunt them into the units
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 20:04
and that's my bugs squashed
everyone, new user error to enjoy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 20:09
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 20:10
Nice. Getting close to zero issues
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 16 2018 20:13
kind of boggles the mind. Had a "plasma calliver is wrong, costs 19, should be 11" today too.
Basic math and reading skills...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 21:10
@alphalas looks like you have a potential helper
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 21:29
@alphalas @amis92 Hey - think your respective issues will be fixed tonight? If so I'll hold off on a release
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 16 2018 21:29
Yeah, hold off. :) I should be done soon™
The Eight is one hell of a lot of rules.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 21:30
Perfect. I say no rush as I hound for it to be done :p just didn't want to release and then have you commit like 10m after :p
Yea it is
That is gonna look horrible on BS
but ... well it's there lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 21:33
Gotta admit I agree with you @WindstormSCR Vigilus is a quality product. It's quite up there was The Siege of Vraks (that trilogy is the pinnacle of FW books IMHO) but it's getting close. So many ideas and little pointers toward new things.
I'm wondering if they may add The Vigilant Guard as on official Regiment with it's own rules
Seems like they made a great effort to drum it up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 22:18
Except for one thing
GW can’t name characters for shit
“Haarken Worldclaimer”?
Twice my phone tried to correct that to harken
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 16 2018 22:20
Hmm, what should we call this Black Legion character who carries a hammer.... Obsidius Mallex, that'll do.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 16 2018 22:20
I mean what’s the name of the black lesionaire that has to clean toilets?
Flush Shitstacker
Plunge Plungerer
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:41
Oh .. My ... goood Lord ! ... so, not saying 'Crons are going to be super competitive .. but ... just took them out for a spin and Man! .. oh man o man ... obliterated 2k of Chaos and lost a couple of wraiths and some scarabs ... just ... whooboy !
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:47
titanic tank, Sicaran, and a load of other tough units ... fell to 2* DDA + Heavy-D's + destroyers, 12 wraiths and a cheap Battalion ... it was a new CA MAelstrom mission and really close on points ... but I just nailed it .. sorry .. I may have also had a load of caffeine and sugar .. but YEAH !
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:48
all is rosy for GW this round, even the GK player had to admit they were elevated out of garbage tier with the points changes
not crazy good and still brutal to work with, but they can at least do things
meanwhile I'll be over here dancing with 20pt stormbolter/stormshield DW vets
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 22:49
i actually dont get why necrons are considered that bad competitive. the regeneration can be a pain in the ass if you dont concentrate fire heavily, they roll out mortals that cant be countered, their special shield (forgot the name) can take ridiculous amounts of damage against armies that dont have much between 1dmg and w6 dmg. and i ahte the doomsday ark when i play knights^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:49
or just useful intercessors
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:49
yeah ... that's my initial thought too .... I might not be ROFL-stomping the top meta ... but I'm not just an insta lose - "Thanks for turning up" player now
tekton
@tekton
Dec 16 2018 22:49
GK is still the weakest, we just get to put more garbage on the table!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:49
actually I think tau might have taken that spot from GK if not using the 8 or the most competitive crutches they have
its unfortunate, but the change to BS and the nerf to markerlight double-tap hit them really fucking hard
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:50
T'au friend is bringing an extra riptide in his list now ... I'm pretty worried about them .. even if I DO wipe out his Markerlights
tekton
@tekton
Dec 16 2018 22:51
Funny you should mention that- Tau got decent point reductions and the Fly charge change was a huge help making the fire warrior sea even more useful
Tau are shored up a decent amount in the last few months
...they’re also my other army that I have been taking and playing, because they have a phase they just plain win in they still have a few tiers up on GK
BUT I won’t lose game with GK on turn 1 anymore, it will be turn 3 since it’s a mid field army
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:52
@H4lek1n -yeah .. he wasted 8 las-cannons on my DDA when he forgot about Quantum Shielding .... it just swallowed 31 points of damage and took 0
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 22:53
they brought a lot more diversity to tau with ca since now one can think about other units that riptide, commander, firewarrior. but i dont get why they didnt fix the useless missles. the amount of mortals tau can deal is quite the joke
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:53
I'm not getting delusions of 1st place tourneys ... but at least I don't have to buy 3 vaults or a Seraptek to be in the game
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:54
destroyer spam was pretty good
and obnoxious
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 22:54
@sk_Father_Price_twitter yeah i even wasted so many riptide shots on DDAs i just use s5 ap0 dm1 now^^
tesla+ buff is also working nicely
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:55
my answer to q-shields is either hemlocks if eldar, or frag cannons if DW, since reliable multi-shot 2D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:56
going to take 3 annhi barges in next list ... and the croissants ... just to see what the hell happens lol
yuck .. frag cannons .... /shivers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:56
hope its not a guard player with the new arty company and hydras
16 autocannon shots ignoring fly
and that's just one hydra!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 16 2018 22:57
fortunately ... 8th made our guard player quit .... closest we have is a few R&H ... and they don't got toys
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 22:59
....wait
he quit when he became op?
lol
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 22:59
"all the cp..i cant take it anymore"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 16 2018 23:00
@sk_Father_Price_twitter confusion reigns, more clarification is required
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 23:02
i was playing against an interesting necron list last week. he basically had just 3 tough infanterie mobs to hide his chars which buffed and rolled out mortals. was even having problems with quite the cheesy tau list
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 23:16
@sk_Father_Price_twitter I doubt you'll see many Serapteks
Points cost aside it's a good 400$~ lol
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 23:20
is that the new necron "knight" if so i hope i dont see it^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 23:20
yea
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 23:21
i remember to see the amount of attacks and then sighing relieved when i saw the € price tag^^
oh and the explosion
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 23:22
same as a dominus
It's just a necron dominus knight at 3x the price :p
tekton
@tekton
Dec 16 2018 23:24
well they're older, there's less of them...more valuable ;)
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 16 2018 23:25
€ wise yes, ridiculous. points wise i dont think its that expensive. 16m 18 attacks and then it explodes in your face with 2w6/3w6 radius
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 16 2018 23:47
lmao
T-C'tan is a Character
and not named.
It can be a custom character in open lolol