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17th
Dec 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:04
that's not a terrible thing imo
unique shards are a crucial part of the lore
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:04
Oh for sure, I just laugh the power difference for an overlord to get the perks
then a T-C'tan to get them
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:04
my favorite piece of vigilus so far is the battlezone: genestealer infestation
for CA I think I like the battle honors best
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:05
I updated the GST for custom char psyker stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:05
easy to assign a points value to, and not really broken
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:05
so it only shows on <Psykers>
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:05
thanks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:05
np, figured nobody'd mind :p Noticed it when I added stuff to cron chars.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:05
my local group is just assigning battle honors a value of 20pts per rank
since that's roughly equivalent to a PL
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:07
Not a bad idea
were we gonna do battle honors?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:07
but then we mostly play narrative and are considering making cities of death our "standard"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:07
Or is that not really possible
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:07
I tried, the sseg being linked too many places slows mobile down
since you'd have to link it in EVERY unit
and even keeping it as light as possible, that's a lot of links
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:08
Yea, I figured
Oh well, that's something people can do on their own
Since it's tied to written XP anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:08
I mean, I can do some more tests and we can see if we get performance complaints, and rip it out
but at least the actual memory footprint of it is tiny
thoughts on that?
actually
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:09
Ugh, increasing PL for each honor
that many mods will be unwieldy
er, nvm
just make each cost 1
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:10
@/all proposal: once we seem to have squashed most of the CA bugs, creating a branch to test performance impact of implementing battle honors, so cat owners and others in dev team can check for the level of performance impact
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:10
So, its actually rather easy for battle honors
The only hard part will be linking it to every non character/swarm
Make nested SSEGs and hide based on <Vehicle> or <Monster>
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:11
That's the plan
doing it like I did custom characters
I'd just like to do some performance testing on a branch once the CA complaints are mostly ironed out
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:11
Aye. Take a look at KT too
It's structured like their levels.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 00:12
I did, when I was looking for ideas
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:36
And really the problem is Chaos has an image/PR problem
It's the names
"Abaddon the Despoiler"
Man nobody wants a ruler named "<anything> the Despoiler"
I mean...that sets a bad tone, you know?
Just change it to "Abaddon the Enhancer"
That way when your planet gets "claimed" by the 13th Black Crusade, you haven't been "invaded" or "despoiled"....you've been "ENHANCED"!
And who doesn't want to be enhanced? Nobody, right?
And "Black Crusade" has got to go, too
That just sounds....dire. Ominous, even.
So call that shit "Abaddon's Chaosaplooza Galactic Enhancement Tour"
Doesn't that sound better?
Then the newsfeeds will have headlines like
ABADDON'S TOUR ARRIVES, VIGILUS NOW CHAOS ENHANCED!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:37
I'm sold.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:38
See? It's all about presentation. :)
But lemme tell you
The reason Abba-dabble is gonna fail at Vigilus is because he's gonna be repulsed by all the laughter of literally everyone on the planet laughing their asses of at "Haarken Worldclaimer"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:39
But, he's wanted in 13 systems
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:40
wtf does that even mean?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:40
Actually, with my new PR campaign in place, he'll assume with all the laughter that Vigilus has already been "enhanced" and move on
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:41
What does what mean?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:41
"wanted in 13 systems"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:41
Sorry, 12 systems.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:42
ooooh. i was worried it was a reference that went straight over my head
12 systems rings a bell though :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:42
Yeah he's about as scary as that guy, too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:44
So Joe, about that Lone Wolf.
;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:44
"Oooooh, Haarken Worldclaimer. You want us to LISTEN TO YOU? Is that it? 'Hark, hark,' harkened he! Wheee, so scary! Ooooh, lookee at the big ol' toothpick! Are you sure you're not a cavity creep?"
What about it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:44
You forgot to give it a root entry
lolol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:44
I mean sure, maybe I did
Or maybe it was my clever ploy to keep that shit from showing up because it's an invalid model now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:45
See, that's what I figured
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:45
If I can't take Index Celestine, ALL SHALL SUFFER
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:45
That's what I made a nice shiny bugrep for you.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:45
Cool cool I'll go ahead and close that up then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:45
Which you should totally fix so when Jon and Amis fix theirs we can release and be happy with CA :p
lmao
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 00:49
Hijacking topic: is there anything in the movement and/or terrain rules that say if it's a non infantry MODEL or it's BASE that need to be able to fit through a "doorway" (or between buildings like an alley) to move in/through/by a piece of terrain?
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe just glares at @Kohato
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:52
I really dislike doing that, like, on an almost cellular level
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:52
I knew you would
That's why I wanted to have the honor of making the bugrep :p
from reddit no less.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:53
So that means the Geminae should be added back as wargear
Since they were options Celestine could take in the Index
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:53
Only if a Heavy Weapons platform in Craftworlds is Wargear.
;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:53
I'll make that trade
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:53
Haha
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:54
One is a gun platform in an army that's already borderline redonk
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:54
@tekton There's no rules for that, no.
That's more of an agree with your opponent kind of thing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 00:54
The other is preventing the gutting and making useless an iconic Sisters character
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:54
what terrain confers.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:54
yeah, i cant find anything saying you have to be able to fit through a gap in order to move through it
just sort of assume that was the case
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:55
I mean, it's not gutting.
The girls just grew up
ventured out on their own
away from momma celestine.
Most games I play have really any infantry being able to fit through normal sized doorways.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:56
well infantry can just faze through ruin walls anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:56
Not exactly house ruled, as there is no rules - just a general understanding between opponents, I've never had it come up where someone trys to take like a riptide through a door.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 00:57
yup, since movement is done by base size (sans vehicles- hulls) I think it's just base size
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:57
i've had it come up where i cant fit a LoW through a gap between two buildings
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:57
I love the branch name.
Lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 00:57
lets add stim injectors back into tau while we're at it, shall we?
that's wargear for sure
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 00:58
I mean, that one actually was wargear.
Joe wants to treat sweet little Genevive as a piece of wargear.
and I won't let him.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 01:00
They were BOTH wargear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:00
See?
Like slaves
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 01:00
Both of The Wonder Twins were absolutely just like wargear
No not slaves
Ablative wounds
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:01
Ohhh, see now I understand. They weren't living girls. They were just flak jackets with wings.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 01:01
The Sweet Saint Celestine's tears would regenerate
Exactly
Just like Guardsmen are Self-propelled 5+ Save Sandbags
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:02
Automitons of course.
Men of Metal is heresy.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 01:10
they have aquilas on their uniforms, they're obviously not heretics
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:11
Oh right, I'm glad I got that issue of the Regimental Standard.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:34
Oh Billybilly #4180 Shit's done!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 01:35
If someone wants to sort through BA and see if anything is missed go for it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:36
I'll take a browse while my destroyers are drying
Bill Barnes
@BillBarnes3
Dec 17 2018 01:37
Hey - I'm a software engineer by trade and happy to help with points updating - what's the etiquette with this repo?
@Kohato I just logged an issue on the Redemptor, to start, but I'm also happy to help updating data files.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:39
Yup, no worries - we just had a commit pushed about 10m before your issue that should be all the BA updates.
I'm perusing them now to see if we missed things.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:49
@alphalas Only a couple of the repeating entries for jump packs, fixed an upped.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 01:49
Kk ty so it’s good to go otherwise? Cool
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:49
Aye, BA should be good
wargear looked fine, all of it that I saw was GST
Entries were good except the 2 that I fixed.
@BillBarnes3 As for repo etiquette, due to how wonderful BS's XML structure is, the best features of git, like multiple people contributing and working on single files, is actually a horrible horrible thing.
Git's merge doesn't play well with conflicts on Battlescribe's XML files.
So, the best way to do things would be to make changes to things you find (After doing a local fork to be sure you have the up to date data) and make a pull request from that fork. Then dont' be discouraged if we simply close the pull and take some changes from it
Individual cats are "owned" by a maintainer who may or may not be working in a file at the time you do a pull, meaning if we blindly accepted the pull, that maintainer's work would then be in conflict. Best to check CODEOWNERS and ping the maintainer of the cat - or raise an issue and we can assign it to that person.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 01:56
Checking the master fork before raising issues is always good too if you know your way around git :D Saves me or Iain from closing duplicate issues.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 02:19
And then there was 1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 02:20
Mmm, 1 CA2018 Issue
So sexy
@amis92 Said he's working on it, The Eight is a bitch, so once he's done we can push :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 02:31
:+1: :shipit:
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 03:13
@BillBarnes3 sometimes the best help is putting in issues we can understand and encouraging people you know that find things to do the same :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 04:33
Well looks like it’ll be tomorrow morning
Oh well nbd
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 08:27
@Kohato @tekton @GenWilhelm sorry guys, The Eight has destroyed me, I've fallen asleep doing them, now I've got to work. Please take it from me. I should probably stick to being an Admin. :< https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/issues/4035#issuecomment-447760159
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 08:36

Hijacking topic: is there anything in the movement and/or terrain rules that say if it's a non infantry MODEL or it's BASE that need to be able to fit through a "doorway" (or between buildings like an alley) to move in/through/by a piece of terrain?

@tekton - the rules says INFANTRY can move through ruins without impediment .. it then goes on to say precisely sod all what impediment every other model suffers ... so Useful. .. so for tanks and such we generally say that large walls are impassible (but that's just house rules) and TITANIC can go where the hell it wants apart from up steps lol

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 08:50

fortunately ... 8th made our guard player quit .... closest we have is a few R&H ... and they don't got toys

@WindstormSCR - So ... The player in question loves his tank parking lots ... and in the early days he could not get his head around screening vs CC armies.

So unless he alpha struck someone off the table first turn he was suddenly overrun and unable to move his parking lot and lost a LOT.

and got very upset when losing even a mortar squad.

The rest of us did not mourn the loss of such a player, it was impossible to have a fun time by either throwing a game for his enjoyment or taking no enjoyment from winning against a poor player .

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 11:24
no worries, @amis92. I can grab that in about hour
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 12:06
I'll fix the ba and victrix when I get to work. Home net died. It
Or
If will is in the editor for the eight feel free to do those too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 12:08
The Eight is probably going to take a while, so dont count on it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 12:26
Lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:00
Fair. Whenever your ready then we push :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:35
BEHOLD
8.png
a single unit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 13:36
Ho-lee shit lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:39
@Kohato, do you still want me to grab those last two issues?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:39
Yep
Gonna grab them now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:40
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:40
Whew, I new it'd be ugly
but damn the Eight is uglyu
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 13:41
I don't know if it might have been better to do a single LoW which unhides and makes mandatory the 8 individual units...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:42
yeah, maybe
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 13:46
What would that help with? It's non-splittable anyway.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:47
it would make each commander its own block, so the abilities and weapons would be separate for each of them, rather than all merged together
amis92 @amis92 looks at the roster printout. That's a lot of stuff
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 13:47
^^ what Will said
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 13:48
That's true, but also, adding the eight will then require a lot of manual work, esp. on mobile. :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 13:48
^this
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:49
It's ugly no matter how it goes :(
just like
I have to use fucking Edge
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 13:49
emperorfuckinsaviorofmankind that is a block of text...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:49
to upload shit
because Git is a poopy head and dropped support for older FF versions
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 13:49
Why not use github desktop?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:49
I'm at work ;)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 13:49
Heh, right xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:50
I can use .jar files, installing Git desktop might be suspicious lol
And then Gen goes and does it anyway
Thanks @GenWilhelm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:50
huh, what did i do?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 13:51
The fixes :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:51
ah. right. that
:shipit:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:51
Making sure the two new ones are old first
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:51
they are
gonna type up a release, unless we think the eight should be split down?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:52
We'll do a release now
then see how nice the eight can be later
It's in there, which is what we needed
remember the "v" ;)
@alphalas Didn't.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 13:53
:p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:53
done
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 13:54
Ah, is that why we've got two releases with no changes?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:54
And with that, we have one love note.
Because I tried to unfuck the v numbers.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:54
yeah, Iain, the URLs are incorrect because there's no v in 1.2.00
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:55
v1.2 actually has the changes from v1.2 and v1.2.01
https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/compare/v1.1.80...v1.2.00 - that's actually v1.1.80 through v1.2.01 even though it doesn't say it
It's due to me re-tagging releases so they are the same when I put 1.2.01 out.
And hopefully with this release - CA is complete :D GJ @/all
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 13:57
:laughing: yeah, sure. I keep finding stuff I missed, so I doubt we're done yet...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:57
Well shit.
The majority is good!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 13:58
Lol hopefully imperials are good at least :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 13:58
anon can calm down now. Hush lil' one, only dreams now.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 13:58
Indeed. At the least, it should cut down on the duplicate issues a bit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 13:58
yeah, we've had at least 150 issues in the last two days :smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 13:58
Silly choas duders not being correct lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 13:59
that's because HERESY
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 13:59
It's mainly where they updated SM and not Chaos (or vice versa), so I had modifiers on the GST entries and just forgot to remove them.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 14:05
Assign that one to Joe
I want to give him another Stroke
lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 14:10
Well mother FUCKER
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 14:11
<3
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 14:11
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 14:11
Haha yea, #4196
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 14:21
RIP TWC.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 14:21
Yes because they were burning up the top tables
Can't let Wolves have nice things
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 14:22
Just think of them as the canine celestine.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 14:22
mutters about and this is why I don’t want sisters to be stupid good because then this shit happens
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 14:22
Yes Jon you like losing. I understand.
I myself prefer winning
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 14:24
Hey I’m a mediocre 40k player to begin with lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 14:25
scrubs and me.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 14:25
haha
tell me about it - it's why I play crons
Less choices to worry about making the wrong ones.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 14:25
That's me, second scrub from the left
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:51
@amis92 does the Wolf thing really need to be pinned? It makes my heart hurt to see that every time I look at issues.
Okay gotta admit though #4185 makes me smile. Nice to be appreciated.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 17 2018 15:52
Sorry! It's just a very popular issue, so I thought it could prevent a couple duplicates
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:54
At least change it to something appropriately snarky like "We know, Wolves can't have nice things because reasons"
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:54
Man I hate to admit it but this "golden age" is really starting to wear thin
Here's an example
My boy Chris (not Carlile, the TO) played maybe 2 games of 8e when it dropped
Orks come out, he picks them up (he's an Ork fan, has a lotta dudes)
Rolls up to the tournament with us
Hasn't played a game in 2 years
Wins second place
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 17 2018 15:56
At least GW is trying to be transparent
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:56
But NOOOOO, Orks aren't OP, Orks are just fine
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 17 2018 15:56
Gotta give them some credit for that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 15:57
lmao. that reads like a greentext, Joe
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 15:57
Well
that never could've happened before because the rules were SO FUCKING COMPLICATED
now, that is possible because you dont need a degree in rules lawyering to play
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:57
What's a "greentext"?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 15:57
balance still out of whack, but at least its a GAME and not a thing you need to study 3 years.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 15:58
4chan stories written in bullet point form
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:58
It's not the rules that's the problem
It's the goddamned codexes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 15:58
And it's either hit or miss
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 15:58
yeah, but see? its one problem less than there were before
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 15:58
i mean it could be variance /s
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 15:59
and I mean its not that there weren't lists and codexes that were straight OP before *cough riptide
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:03
Things were actually...okay
And then they started getting the good crack or something and so now we have Codex: Orks
Which the entire book is BROKEN AF
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 16:03
that, however, is true afaik and I know shit about orks, just hearsay
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:04
Don't know what units to take? Doesn't matter! They're all retardedly good
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:04
maybe we'll see it more when IK rotate out
every ork list ive seen so far has real trouble when faced with knights
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:04
Don't have any actual skill or tactics? DOESN'T MATTER! JUST RUN AT EM BOYZ AND STICK EM WITH DER POINTY END HERP DERP
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 16:05
but that honestly is the way and reason why orks populate half the galaxy... :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:06
I know this may offend some, but Orks are a children's army, designed for children probably by children. They're damned stupid simple to play, they're made of big oafish cartoony characters and painted in bright colors to hold the attention of children
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:07
isnt that also space marines?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:08
Probably
Just with a thin veneer of civility layered on top.
(and I can't believe I'm about to say this, but...give credit, etc.)
Adults play things like Eldar (any flavor) and AdMech
Unless you're a cheesemonger (like me, evidently) and then you play Ynarri or Guard LOL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:09
why admech? theyre basically guard but robit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:10
Do you see them burning up the top tables? NOPE
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:10
not yet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:10
They are layered in their approach
There's a LOT of moving parts to making AdMech work
Unlike orks, which is
  • Pick culture
  • Put 130+ boyz on table or 15+ dragsters/buggies/bikes on table
  • Roll buckets of dice
  • Profit
That's literally all there is to winning games with Orks
Didn't kill it the first time with your 25 lootas? WE GOTCHA COVERED! SHOOT EM AGAIN
(herp derp)
Oh you killed 29/30 boyz? NO WORRIES! Greentide that shit back then DA JUMP right back where you were
(herp derp!)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:14
dont need to DJ, green tide lets you arrive basically anywhere
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:14
Oh wait you're right
Wouldn't want there to be a psychic test or something like that in there that might fuck things up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:15
just need to make a 9 on 2d6+1 re-rolling
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 16:15
I will say the DW strat for fighting orks has come in very handy :^)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 16:15
And don't forget that (currently) you can upgrade Weirdboys as many times as you like. Want to cast 6 powers a turn, you can for 5 CP!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 16:16
"I charge" "Are you sure" "Yes" Frag Cannons and strat "Well, you need a 13, you fail"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:18
Oh...and if you happen to think maybe it wasn't some kind of sickness, or maybe they weren't gross enough, WE GOTCHA COVERED! 4 fucked up formations in Vigilus! Make your broken shit EVEN MORE BROKEN
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe forths at the mouth, apparently
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:18
punisher cannons are also very tasty against orks :ok_hand:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:18
Sure
If there doesn't happen to be a damned unit of gretchin between said punisher and what you need to die
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:23
hang on a minute, I need to get another bucket for those salty tears :tongue:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:23
More like a bathtub
And really I don't cry. Got over that little emotional reaction when Mom died. Now it's more "fueled by rage" lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:24
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Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:24
Yes.
That.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:24
hence why I need a bucket
hehehehehehehe
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:24
There's a reason in one chat my nickname alternates between "Sneaky Hate Spiral" and "Pretty Hate Machine"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 17 2018 16:25
ork players rn
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:25
I was actually thinking of encouraging my little boy (he's 4) to get some Orks
for exactly the reasons you suggested
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:26
And that's fine
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:26
meanwhile, I'll still be playing Eldar (of most shades) badly :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:26
It is quite literally an army made for children
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 16:26
My son is also 4
Has yours outgrown "the terrible 2's" and went right on to "little fucker 4's"?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:28
pretty much, yes
some days it's all cool and things just progress really nicely, he's like a proper little person
some days... it's "less nice" shall we say - like when he walks up and pinches you for no reason, then runs off laughing when you're like "OW!!"
little shit
but we had a lovely afternoon on saturday doing Christmas shopping for mummy and I get mega brownie points because he chose her presents himself :smile:
(also, that's why I've managed to be completely crap at fixing bugs)
(and thank you @WindstormSCR for picking up the slack while i've been family-ing)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 16:32
hey, I think both of us have done about equal work on the craftworlds stuff by now between all the changes and crap
bonesingers gotta look out for each other
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:33
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 16:49
I mean 1; it’s blood angels
2; it’s by Richard boylan’s crew
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 16:49
the helsreach guy?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 16:49
Yup
It’ll be good
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 17 2018 16:49
that is promising
honestly, I expect them to be on the level that that Astartes Youtube channel has
those 2 small things are so beyond epic it hurts
and with FUNDS AND TALENT AND BACKING...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 16:59
yeah, that angels of death trailer is pretty AWESOME!! :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 17:37
Anon is ANGRY!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 17:45
CAPS LOCK FAIL
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 17:45
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Can someone please explain what the fuck that's supposed to be?
A power croquet mallet? A ticklehammer?
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 17:47
Whisper Hammer?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 17:49
Jr Thunderhammer.
A Rumbleslapper
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 17:49
Thunder Noodle?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 17:50
Does it have like a Scooty Puff, Jr. label?
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As opposed to
SCOOTY-PUFF SR.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 17:53
Also: Exhibit A - Celestine, Exhibit B - Index Celestine.
;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 17:54
TRUTH
Sad truth, but yes.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 17:59
Sweetbreads: take a while to make and so easily fucked up, but so worth the effort
now just 3hrs of proving, 40min bake time, and I see how it turned out this time
what my last one looked like:
cherry and chocolate plait
:D
(dark cherries, white and dark chocolate chips in the bread mix, they melt into the surround on bake)
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 18:02
good luck, I hope it turns out!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:02
also you know something has gone wrong when you find your model roster so unweidly to work with that you turn to MS access to use a database for it
specifically deathwatch to keep track of company/squad/chapter/name
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:05
So
Reivers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:05
what chapter
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:05
Blades or carbines?
BA
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:05
carbines
you have better stuff with better strats for putting the CC hurt on things
but reivers are excellent for "this objective is mine now"
carbine reivers are basically intercessors with built-in deepstrike and JPs
what I wished I could do with assault marines since 5th
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:07
DCo can do that
You can give DCo bolters and jump packs
But I’m doing a Primaris BA army
Because it’s actually pretty fluffy
GSeed
@seedgeorge
Dec 17 2018 18:08
if you jam a jump pack onto your reivers and give them proper helmets they make quite handsome assault marines
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:09
tbh you could still use them as reivers because the rules functionality is all but identical
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Dec 17 2018 18:09
@CrusherJoe any idea why the hotshot lasgun is set to 1 point in the DKOK Ranged Weapons group? The point cost is 0 in the base profile, and CA18.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:09
aside from the not being able to fall back
@alphalas time for me to be a bad influence
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:11
@Cultiststeve hey I’m the main DK dev - that’s probably my bad
Jim i don’t like it
Like I get it’s supposed to evoke the sang guard
But I don’t like it
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Dec 17 2018 18:12
Ah okay. I can put in a quick issue? Havent been able to spot any other mistakes with CA18 points :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:12
Sure go for it
I’ll fix it in a bit
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Dec 17 2018 18:16
Cheers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:18
@alphalas there are other primaris sized JPs on there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:23
namely
or
personally I might do a set of carbine reivers with the second link
because it'll be sturdier than those damn fins, and look pretty boss
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:58
Yeah I don’t really like any of them lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 18:58
enjoy your patented GW "easy break" fins
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 18:59
This is true
That is fair
However
The last one looks derpy to me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 19:00
why's that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 19:02
I like the mk4 pack
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 19:02
he's got others that are exactly the mk4 modeled to primaris scale
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 19:03
That looks like they just took a mk4 pack and went “hmm, let’s randomly make it more bulbous for no reason”
The first 2 you linked are probably just as fragile as standard grav chutes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 19:31
How has appspot not yet picked up this morning’s release?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 19:43
Gratuities
Good question
Damn phone
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 19:44
sounds like your phone wants to belong to a wall stret banker
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 19:46
@Mad-Spy Was about to say - I WISH Knights had a Twin Icarus Lascannon.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 17 2018 19:51
:smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 20:04
I wonder does appspot only pick up daily anymore?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 20:05
On the days that it doesn't shit itself trying to pick up the repo.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 21:28
well that's interesting, I just updated my data and "found" another 25 points from somewhere!!!
more Deathwatch toys!!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:29
Yea, it'll happen
lol
Probably from the round 1 bugfixes, round 2 hasn't hit appspot yet
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:30
Oh snap.. did I miss a Joe Rant ? dayumn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:31
Which one?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:32
Orks .. just done some scrolling since I left work at 4pm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:32
You can probably set him off again if you mention Wondergear Twins or Storm Shield Puppies.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:32
why couldn't it have been 'Crons made EZ mode .
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:32
? Crons are easymode lol. They have at most 2 selections for items to take.
for the majority of models.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:32
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been busy tonight ... ripping out warrior corpses
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 21:33
Games are very easy for Necrons, they have fun until they lose turn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:33
Ahah, never thought about clipping the prow like that.
I mag'ed mine to flip it upside down when the gun is in the top slot.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:33
EZ mode yes ... but easy mode with added WINNING !
other one is magged ... I had to chop this un
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:34
I want to spring-ify it at some point
so I can pull,twist,release.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:34
so I 'can' play a ghost ark if I wanted to ... /snort lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 21:34
dirty
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:34
If you have spare flying bases
2 reallllllly helps arks btw.
Drill out the front most hole on the bottom
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:35
I drilled a 5mm hole and rammed the flight base right up 'er
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:35
and put a weighted (pennies or a 60mm washer) on the front
stable as fuck
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:36
might do that to the other ... I got really keen as first model putting the ribs together and there's a noticable twist along the spine
the front is like 15 degrees clockwise to the back lol
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 21:37
it shows "movement" of the barge- it's an effect!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:37
I'll snap a pic of my 2 when I get home for ya
show ya what I mean
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:37
but any ways ... I am a convert to the DDA now .. the might be average .. but the times they are better than average is really cool
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:37
Don't be sad about the twist :p one of my two has a noticible downward bend from the middle.
Crappy plastic glue came undone and I must've not sanded it down enough when I reassembled.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 21:38
@sk_Father_Price_twitter http://www.corseceng.com/ all of the necron stuff i did earlier this year I put things on those instead
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:38
lol .. mines twisty .. yours droopy ... lets say no more OK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:38
DDA is all you need to kill knights.
"Oh You have a 60" gun? Me too :)"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:39
"Go on ...shoot my with your BIG guns ... I quantumly Dare you!"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:39
I actually haven't run Ghost Arks since 7e
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:40
might dust off the croissants this weekend
but only the doomsdayers ... I find very little need to transport stuff around in them ... at the risk of losing said occupants
@tekton Hmmm the omni bases things ?
I have a guy plays X-wing .. might have to show him those
tekton
@tekton
Dec 17 2018 21:43
yup
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:49
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MVPs from last game though ... those crawlers are just impossible to kill
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:53
Blight Crawlers? Never faced them.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 21:54
Working on BA and Elysians
Converted one squad of hbolter HWTs to be snipers
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:54
@alphalas is it me or are a lot of those guardsmen in really Orky looking posture ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:55
Hold on now. They have Aquillas.
They are loyal imperial citizens.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:56
heheh ... sorry didn't mean to imply anything untoward
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 21:56
Well I meant they’re Airborne™️
Gotta be high speed low drag
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:56
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guy is just asking for a blockage
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 21:57
Dude's just letting his barrel out for all to see.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:57
barely evena stable firing position ... call the commisar
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 21:58
(Mine are eventually going to be painted to be bundeswher falschimjager ;)
See also my previous statement of high speed lol
@Kohato should know, high speed is as much a derogatory term as a compliment lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 21:59
I love the colour ... see above image of my RG Raptor primaris
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 17 2018 22:00
Elysian green is actually a really nice color to work with
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 22:04
@Kohato Yeah those blight crawlers ... T7 8W 5++ 5+++ and melta, flamer missiles + 3 attacks each in CC with -2 AP ... I thought I'd mulch them but noooo ... also -1 to hit in CC ... and he put some psyker spell for another -1 ... yuck
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 22:14
it's nurgle
the whole army is yuck
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 17 2018 22:17
that is a valid point
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 17 2018 22:19
:wink:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 22:53
Appspot has the data
so between 3pm c and 5pm c it got the update.
Slightly under 12 hours from release to appspot.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 17 2018 23:23
Neat?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 23:24
We were wondering earlier if it's down to 1 crawl a day
so I'm marking the time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 23:29
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
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That's where I mean to place the stands :D It helps - A lot.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 17 2018 23:39
Welp
the bread was my best yet, and aside from the sections preserved for gifts, has been eaten by my family in record time
and that was a loaf made using 1kg of flour >.>
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 17 2018 23:42
See, metric just sounds like it's heavier.
Even though it's only like 2.2~x heavier
lol