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20th
Dec 2018
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 03:29
@Kohato #4277 shouldn’t he be in FWAA being that he’s, well, FW?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 03:30
Pah, you're right, he is FW.
Hey look at that, he's there -.-
Derp
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 20 2018 05:20
The Derp is strong with this one
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:27
dammit ... I'm getting proper withdrawal today, really need a game .. want to test out the new improved DDA list
and in Subnautica news ... built a base and made my first sub 200M dive last night ... I died getting back into the airlock ... and realised my scanners had drained the base power so the oxygen was off ..
going to pipe down some air on my next run
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:30
RIP
also, DDA?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:30
Necron Dooms Day Ark .. I'm a convert
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:31
ah, gotcha
i've got someone trying to convince me that wyverns are good
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:31
proxied 2 in last game with their new lower cost ... and now can't wait to face knights
are Wyverns the LoS ignoring ones ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:32
theyre the anti-infantry ones
since most guard artillery ignores LOS :stuck_out_tongue:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 20 2018 11:32
They're also the ones with a typo in their weapon name, apparently :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:32
twin-linked Stormshard Mortars - what's NOT to love in that name
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:33
they were brutal in 7e
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:33
pie plates of doom ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:34
small blasts that you could re-roll the scatter on
where's the typo, Iain?
so you take them in the artillery company from vigilus and spend 2 CP per turn on them, and that makes them slightly more efficient than regular old mortar teams
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:36
it says Wyven not wyvern in mortar
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:36
oh, so it does
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:36
I had to look at it didn't i !!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 20 2018 11:37
^^
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:37
and yet the output has the correct spelling
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 20 2018 11:38
yeah, I guess it's been corrected on the profile, probably because someone reported it, but whoever fixed it missed the SSE.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:40
so, 4D6 S4 AP0 shots ... averaging 10 shots hitting 5 times wounding 3 times .. with a load of re-rolls etc. .. as a single one I'm not seeing a huge advantage
not vs meq at least
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:41
4d6 averages 14, not 10 :smile:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:41
that's because I'd gotten D4 stuck in my head lol ... hmmm more caffeine
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:42
heh. i'm still sipping my first cuppa
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:43
BRB .. brewing up .. I can't last like this
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 11:44
but yeah, for a few points cheaper you can get 9 mortar teams
the only way it catches up is by dumping CP into it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 11:48
I need to get some Dunkin’ this morning
Don’t wanna chug another of my rockstars for work on my day off
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 11:49
what's on the table today then @alphalas
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 12:02
Gotta get Vigilus implemented, fix Guard bugs, and not fall asleep lol
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 20 2018 12:19
@sk_Father_Price_twitter at viligus open day someone asked the head of the rules team about it (it being battle roster), and he said that they were still getting rules questions so he presumed they were still working on it, didn't seem too sure tho, deffo had a "i dunno, lol" face =)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 13:30
And fix sisters still :p
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 13:37
wyverns can be scary in the new guard spec detach
8d6 instead of 4d6, and they shred opposing hordes (or my dire avengers....) so easily
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 13:40
@Kohato that too
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 20 2018 14:26
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 14:59
I'll smash those three bugs out in a few here
and update codeowners since FWAA is mine now I guess
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 15:31
Blackstone question
Does Tad have the MISSIONARY keyword in 40k?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 16:21
@alphalas one came in while you were doing that last set of fixes I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:23
yup
just pushed it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 16:23
crushing our bug queue lately
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:23
with that, now i start on vigilus
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 16:24
the guard stuff?
field commander is a GST strat if it helps
needs a local root link though
codeowners updated
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:27
Doing detachments first
Then I’ll worry about other shiz
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 16:27
I didn't do special detachments
just a nfo entry since it works on keywords, not det type
then link the relic/wlt/etc to the NFO entry being present in force
you can poke eldar implementation if you like for windrider/wraith for ideas
just added a few extra lines to normal WLTs for "only show if warlord is selected in parent"
the nice thing is you can just increment WLTs by 1 for each selection of field commander, since warlord itself prevents dupes, and you can only have each warlord trait once
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:33
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step 1 lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 16:36
yeeeep
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:37
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 16:37
hopefully the eldar thing helps, though I freely admit I hacked in the relics for the detachments suboptimally because I was tired as hell at the time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:37
step 2 because i remembered i should do it this way to match all the other NFO SSEGs
I’m assuming i should put the cp cost of each detachment in the name at the end, right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 16:42
yeah, that's what we're doing until bscribe supports detachment costs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 16:43
:+1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 20 2018 16:43
Is that one of the things on the dev roadmap for v2.unicorn?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 16:44
idk. havent looked at it in months tbh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 16:55
Detachment costs?
It's been so long since we last heard from Big Jon that I have no idea what's actually on it anymore.
-.- I really hate that github's lack of support means I can't assign tags or edit titles.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:01
@alphalas You working on vigilus now or later Jon?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 17:03
detachment costs would let us add a CP cost, so it would tell you in the totals how many CPs you had
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:03
Kind of ...
It'd be negative if done right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 17:03
@Kohato actively now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:03
-5cp for a batallion, -1 for vanguard, etc.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 17:03
Why?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:03
I'll hold off on a release then :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 20 2018 17:03
like a battalion would "cost" 5 CP, so at the end of list it would just say 8 CP
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 17:04
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:04
We're back down to 1 issue, figure a release isn't a bad idea.
I'll wait though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 17:39
should i attach the detachment bits to named characters too?
case in point Pask in a Emperor’s Fist?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:45
Like, the rules?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 17:45
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:47
If you're making a new root entry link for Emperor's Fist Pask - yea - I'd add that keyword to the root entry link.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 20 2018 17:57
on keywords (specifically chaos cats), things like "Faction:Daemons" and "Faction:Slaanesh" have the "Faction:X", but chaos is just "Chaos", is that a bug or is that for some kind of validation since "chaos" can't be counted as a faction anymore?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 17:58
There's no anti-soup validation
so if the datasheet lists Faction: Chaos, it should be faction: Chaos
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 18:14
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it works.
thank god
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 18:14
nice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 18:24
So Vigilus for AM only is pushed to master
Still gotta do DK
I don’t think any of the detachments work for EDT
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 18:25
nice
I had my vigilus done day -10
so what's the hold up
:p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 18:25
5 detachments lol
And having to duplicate across 2 cats and make them both work in child detachments of each other -.-
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 18:30
See, I just solve that by having armies that apparently dont' give two shits about that planet.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 18:30
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 18:56
Hmm Ruststalkers or Infiltrators vs alpha legion you think?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 19:09

++ Brigade Detachment +12CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [128 PL, 2000pts] ++

  • No Force Org Slot +

Forge World Choice: Forge World: Mars

Specialist Detachment: Cybernetica Cohort (-1 CP)

Stratagem: Field Commander (-1 CP)

  • HQ +

Belisarius Cawl [13 PL, 190pts]
. Warlord: Warlord Trait (Mars): Static Psalm-Code

Tech-Priest Dominus [7 PL, 90pts]: Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster

Tech-Priest Dominus [7 PL, 90pts]: Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster

  • Troops +

Kataphron Destroyers [10 PL, 156pts]
. Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Heavy Grav-Cannon
. Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Heavy Grav-Cannon
. Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Heavy Grav-Cannon

Kataphron Destroyers [10 PL, 156pts]
. Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Heavy Grav-Cannon
. Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Heavy Grav-Cannon
. Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Heavy Grav-Cannon

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 57pts]: Omnispex
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic Rifle
. 3x Skitarii Ranger
. Skitarii Ranger (Transuranic Arquebus): Transuranic Arquebus

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 57pts]: Omnispex
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic Rifle
. 3x Skitarii Ranger
. Skitarii Ranger (Transuranic Arquebus): Transuranic Arquebus

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 57pts]: Omnispex
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic Rifle
. 3x Skitarii Ranger
. Skitarii Ranger (Transuranic Arquebus): Transuranic Arquebus

Skitarii Vanguards [4 PL, 40pts]: 4x Skitarii Vanguard
. Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine

  • Elites +

Cybernetica Datasmith [3 PL, 41pts]: Gamma Pistol, Power fist, Warlord Trait (CA): Adept of the Legio Cybernetica

Cybernetica Datasmith [3 PL, 41pts]: Gamma Pistol, Power fist, Relic: Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land

Sicarian Ruststalkers [12 PL, 143pts]
. Ruststalker Princeps: Chordclaw, Transonic Blades
. 9x Sicarian Ruststalker (Blades): 9x Transonic Blades

  • Fast Attack +

Sydonian Dragoons [3 PL, 68pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser Lance

Sydonian Dragoons [3 PL, 68pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser Lance

Sydonian Dragoons [3 PL, 68pts]
. Sydonian Dragoon: Taser Lance

  • Heavy Support +

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster
. . Two Heavy Phosphor Blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor Blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster
. . Two Heavy Phosphor Blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor Blaster

Kastelan Robots [12 PL, 220pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster
. . Two Heavy Phosphor Blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor Blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor Blaster
. . Two Heavy Phosphor Blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor Blaster

Onager Dunecrawler [7 PL, 119pts]: Cognis Heavy Stubber, Smoke Launchers
. Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber: Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser

Onager Dunecrawler [7 PL, 119pts]: Cognis Heavy Stubber, Smoke Launchers
. Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber: Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser

++ Total: [128 PL, 2000pts] ++

Thoughts?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 20 2018 19:49
@alphalas, Taddeus does not have MISSIONARY, just MINISTORUM PRIEST.
@CloverFox, I know there was a good reason I didn't change CHAOS over to Faction: Chaos. I just can't remember what it was right now...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 20 2018 19:54
@Kohato, if you're on mobile, you can switch over to the desktop version of the site. Then you'll be able to tag. It's just not great on a mobile screen
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 20:01
its because of the brrowser version his work uses I think?
I remember something like that
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 20 2018 20:21
Oh, something to do with Firefox, right?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 20:24
yeah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 21:22
and vigilus is live on master
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 21:27
Right, I'm on a DOD computer - so we control software versions
The approved version of every browser is below Github's supported version
lol
That AM bug valid Jon?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 21:30
…i’m pretty sure that was already fixed
HO verifying
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 20 2018 21:30
Checking now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 21:30
The tau one is valid
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 20 2018 21:31
Verified, points are correct in production datafile v154
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 21:33
Nice :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 21:33
pretty sure those should both be live on appspot too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 21:33
The tau one isn't - it's a valid bug I think.
Current appspot data is missing the profile. and I don't see a commit for tau.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 21:34
oh i meant both the weapons mentioned in the bugrep
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 21:34
ohhh
gotcha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 21:34
idk about the tau bug
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 20 2018 21:34
I'll do a release then.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 20 2018 22:45
@Kohato ruststalkers are shit I think. Infiltrators are at least infiltratable and with Wrath of Mars have good amount of shots per wound.
Also, I'm not sure destroyers work with Mars - squishy and very expensive, Agripiina is required imo for those.
You might also consider not making cawl the warlord but a Dominus for the CP Gain trait
Would also hep to reduce the Kastelans to one group, since you can splitfire anyway and Wrath is more effective that way?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 20 2018 22:49
anyone have mounting suggestions for inceptors?
because the stands they come with are complete ass
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 20 2018 22:50
I had made some out of brass wire
but i lost those
probably going to make another set out of heavier gauge brass rod
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 20 2018 22:59
there was a 3rd party that had better flight stands... hnng... if I could remember the name.. war.. something?