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22nd
Dec 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 03:59
well, repulsor done
some mild cleanup left, but not much
I figured the only suitable commander for that much dakka was an imperial fist techie
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 04:28
Man...gotta admit...this whole business of BScribe continuously warning me that my files are "Unsaved" when I just saved them is really getting old.
Oh! @WindstormSCR that looks suitably rockin'
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 04:36
looks nice when its not got all the stowage cluttering things up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 04:36
Right?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 04:36
and the stowage really doesn't make sense to me on a vehicle that is designed to be ORBITALLY DROPPED
citation: dark imperium
however it is making for a fun "orbital drop" list with vets in DPs, a stormeagle, and 2 repulsors
plus teleport units/strats
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 04:39
That sounds highly entertaining.
See with Slaanesh "orbital insertion" has a whole different meaning
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 04:44
I mean
I could work with only 8 cps and just do single batt plus leviathan
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 04:47
@WindstormSCR looks good :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 05:46
Yeah....after thinking about it a bit I decided to add a Levi and Dorito to the CSM part of my Slaanesh army
Because Slaanesh does a few things pretty well (I won't go so far as to say "great") but shooting ain't one of them
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 06:35
rebuilt the GK dreadnought arms (i thought i did that last year?)- even giving the new items the same old IDs it still errs :( oh well, this will be better in the long run
confirming mk IV fist is the right size and even the same hand pose as one of the intercessor arms
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 06:39
"Hello Xenos! You're about to die!"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:39
some chop chop later and one exorcists watch sergeant
more like "get ready lads, on my signal"
considering he'll be with 4 aggressors and an inceptor and 4 intercessors
for MAXIMUM FIST
@tekton thoughts on the SIA bandolier on the leg?
was debating between putting it there where it felt more like a natural space to reach, or the belt
I figure I can see them reaching down to pull a single round and hand-load it
maybe not mr fist, but the rest of the squad will have it in the same spot
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 06:44
i think it's one of those things that if painted it just looks good being there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:44
yeah, I stole them from my sternguard boxes
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 06:45
it's one of those things that just adds character- i don't see it subtracting at all at that point
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:45
I might retroactively add them to some of the extising intercessors carefully
since I'm getting a third sternguard box to kitbash with sanguinary guard for my vanguard vets to embed in squads
I didn't want to go with the regular vanguard kit since I don't want running legs
otherwise they look really out of place
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 06:46
"stop running, you'll poke an eye out!"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:47
but sang guard packs without the wings on sternguard legs should work a treat
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 06:47
It's Fistin Time.jpg
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:47
might be cheeky and make a BA guy with an encarmine blade
since for the most part they'll be running sword/plaspistol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:53
99 points for AGL, fist and bolt rifles is pretty neat
probably going to do two fist sergeants at this rate
makes the squad a real threat to pretty much anything
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 06:57
I like it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:57
instead of S4 just bouncing off
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 06:58
Yeah....S4 sucks
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:58
I mean, it was better than S4 AP -
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 06:58
S3 sucks until you crank out like 30 shots. Quantity has a quality all its own.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 06:58
but I'll definitely take 3 hits at S8 -3 Dd3 over 3 hits at S4 -3 D1
even at 4+ to hit
average of 2w to a regular tank
if you told me four weeks ago I would be willingly putting powerfists and chainfists on models, I would have asked you for a dose of whatever crazy juice you were on
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 07:02
I mean...hammers are better...but if you can't take hammers...fists are a decent substitute
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 07:02
yep
also powerfists don't look comical on primaris
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 07:03
I embraced the over-the-top nature of 40k long ago lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 07:03
I actually like the IF frame fist / MK III / Mk IV fists on primaris
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 07:03
But...yes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 07:07
hmmm
debating altering one of my existing powersword sgts into a punch glove dude
I'll give it a whirl and see how often they get into combat before I go that far
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 22 2018 14:25
Repulsor looks great :+1:
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 22 2018 16:49
I put an old power fist on an intercessor sgt and it looks great. I'll poast pic later.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 17:05
That's what's up
I've been saying it since numuhreenz were announced:
If you want Primaris to be a thing, give them all the options normal muhreenz get, and watch adoption rates soar
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 22 2018 17:07
But that’s not the point of the Primaris
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 17:07
Oh it totally is
They are Marines 2.0
And they will replace all 1.0 versions
other than wargear they are superior in every way
...and as soon as that's no longer a barrier to entry, 1.0 will go the way of the dodo
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 18:14
they have other deficiencies, mostly transports, lack of a heavy armor/invuln assault type unit (terminator/CV equivalents)
not being able to fit in drop pods, rhinos, land raiders, and storm eagles is a serious issue
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 22 2018 18:27
Yeah, I agree, eventually marine 1.0 will go, especially now special characters can be upgraded to V2.0. They currently do have issues, but I forsee them being slowly overcome on a drip feed basis so that the takeover is not unacceptably rapid
(and obviously cawl needs to design some stuff too... :wink:)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 18:44
I hope they put out new rules for the stormeagle then
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 22 2018 18:44
I think GW would say the heavy infantry is in Gravis armour, hence aggressors and Inceptor are more mobile terminators - it would be interesting to see the math hammer between T4 / 2+ and T5 / 3+
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 18:44
I will be a very unhappy watchmaster if my very expensive brick of de-warped resin becomes useless
and there are plenty of people with significant collections of landraiders/rhinos
tekton
@tekton
Dec 22 2018 19:01
Primaris taking 2+ slots in older transportation systems would still work
I actually hope they just bite the bullet and do a new injection mold for the old marines to bring their manufacturing costs down
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 19:15
tbh they'd have a looooong way to go to reach option parity with current marines
still no real equivalents for most heavy weapons, no combis, missing power axes and hammers, stormshields, and several pistol types
especially deathwatch would take a long time to swap over
though they could do 90% of that at once by making a combined deathwatch KT/"veterans" box, and putting most of those sorts of options in it like the sternguard box is now
just make a Company Veterans type unit for primaris, and that's enough
allow intercessors to take a plasma incin/special/combi 1 in 5, and then expand the sgt list further, make a devastator equivalent and done in two boxes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 19:21
The Enrapturess is 9
Fucking phone
80 points
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 19:22
what's she do?

+++ Orbital Drop (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [122 PL, 1999pts] +++

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - FW Adeptus Astartes) [98 PL, 1610pts] ++

  • HQ +
    Primaris Watch Captain [6 PL, 84pts]
    . Master-crafted auto bolt rifle & bolt pistol: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

Watch Master [7 PL, 130pts]

  • Troops +
    Intercessors [13 PL, 231pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher
    . Hellblaster: Plasma incinerator
    . Hellblaster: Plasma incinerator
    . Hellblaster: Plasma incinerator
    . Hellblaster: Plasma incinerator
    . Intercessor: Bolt rifle
    . Intercessor: Bolt rifle
    . Intercessor: Bolt rifle
    . Intercessor: Bolt rifle
    . Intercessor Sergeant: Bolt rifle, Power fist

Veterans [14 PL, 204pts]
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Power sword
. Vanguard Veteran: Plasma pistol, Power sword
. Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield
. Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield
. Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield
. Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon
. Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon

Veterans [14 PL, 204pts]
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Power sword
. Vanguard Veteran: Plasma pistol, Power sword
. Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield
. Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield
. Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield
. Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon
. Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon

  • Fast Attack +
    Inceptor Squad [10 PL, 163pts]
    . Inceptor
    . . Two Plasma Exterminators: 2x Plasma Exterminator
    . Inceptor
    . . Two Plasma Exterminators: 2x Plasma Exterminator
    . Inceptor Sergeant
    . . Two Assault Bolters: 2x Assault bolter

  • Flyer +
    Storm Eagle Assault Gunship [18 PL, 332pts]: Twin heavy bolter, Vengeance launcher
    . Two twin lascannons: 2x Twin lascannon

  • Dedicated Transport +
    Repulsor [16 PL, 262pts]: Auto Launchers, Heavy Onlsaught Gatling Cannon, 2x Krakstorm Grenade-launcher, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Storm bolter, Twin heavy bolter
    . 2x Stormbolters: 2x Storm Bolter

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [24 PL, 389pts] ++

  • HQ +
    Lieutenants [5 PL, 81pts]
    . Lieutenant: Chainsword, Jump Pack, Master-crafted boltgun

  • Fast Attack +
    Ravenwing Land Speeder Vengeance [7 PL, 144pts]: Assault cannon
    Ravenwing Land Speeders [6 PL, 82pts]
    . Ravenwing Land Speeder: Assault cannon, Heavy bolter
    Ravenwing Land Speeders [6 PL, 82pts]
    . Ravenwing Land Speeder: Assault cannon, Heavy bolter

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 19:27
using attack squad on the RW set
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 22 2018 19:57
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 20:07
whoever did the voiceover of the opening section was good
very iconic scene from first heretic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 22 2018 20:09
single guy and, judging by the thanks, his GF I presume
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 20:54
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20181222_145359.jpg
I guess you'll also want the Khorne stuff
So I'll see if I can get over the ennui and boredom of Khorne to take the pics
20181222_145727.jpg
20181222_145741.jpg
20181222_145705.jpg
20181222_145734.jpg
And there ya go, I don't know if any of that is different or not, mainly because Khorne bores me...but for the sake of completeness, there ya go
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 21:05
Also
I am confused by what happened by what I just watched
I don't recall any Ultramarines falling to heresy
So why did she call out "false angels" "from Ultramar"?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 22 2018 21:07
thats the backstory of my chaos army, ultras that fall to slaanesh cos they got so full of themselves, let by "mr full of himself" himself, cat sicarious
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 22 2018 21:35
... That's... Not bad at all honestly. Well done, sir. Well done!
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 22 2018 21:51
thanks =)
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 22:07
not sure what you watched but maybe she meant the imperium secundus. also they shave and probably like math. obviously heretics, ask any wolf priest
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 22:36
Its a direct pull from First Heretic
that was the woman (forget the name right now) who watched the humiliation of the word bearers by the emperor and the XIIIth by the razing of monarchia
and lost her sight in the process from the unshielded light of the lance strike
because Lorgar taught the citizens of monarchia to revere the emperor as a god, and he was not amused
that's the event that sent lorgar on the chaos quest, because it gave kor phaeron and erebus ammunition to say "see, the old ways might have been right after all"
ah, that was it
Cyrene
basically the single event that was responsible for the entire HH
and a suitable place to start a fan made movie series about the HH I think
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 22:45
Gotta love it when people don't read books
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:02
are you scolding us for not reading that specific novel?^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:18
nope
just explaining the context for those who hadn't read it
its a good peice of writing I think, certainly one heck of a way to kick off the heresy chronologically
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 22 2018 23:37
Argel Tal was such a tragic character
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:39
i assume i read it, but i dont really remember. ADB is surely one of the better BL writers though
HH was so much repetition, at some point it was all a blur to me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 22 2018 23:41
ADB is... at first I didn’t like him, but now he’s like my third favorite author
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:41
he has hit and miss
just like every other author
his good stuff is great, his misses are controversial instead of just dumpster fires
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:44
he doesnt come close to william king or dan abnett but he stands out from the rest of the roster. that being said i dont think that is much of an achievement^^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 22 2018 23:44
Unpopular opinion, I didn’t like bill King’s work much
For me it’s abnett, McNeil, ADB, and sandy mitchel
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:47
French did some quality work
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:48
didnt read much of his 40k stuff, but his dark fantasy novels were always a treatfor me that reminded me of the cheap early fantasy stuff. not sure if i would call him a good writer but reading kings stuff is always fun for me. good example would be gotrek&felix.its basically gore but he spiced it with enough dark humour and intelligience to make it intereasting
the stuff he wrote after falling out with BL was actually really good
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 22 2018 23:51
I enjoyed the Ragnar books but they’re actually pretty low in my rankings
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:51
my personal list is probably: Swallow, Abnett, then a toss up between ADB and french
JS does good work outside of BL too
he was the primary writer for both of the new deus ex games and is actually working with CDP red on that upcoming cyberpunk one
and inside 40k his exploration of what faith means/is in the setting is quite interesting, with the blood angels and sisters books, plus garro
so pretty much all the armies @alphalas plays :P
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:54
JS? BL guidelines could be a problem in general. i might read some of his stuff outside of the warhammer universe since i liked the story of deus ex
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:55
James Swallow
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:55
thx
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:55
he wrote flight of eisenstein/garro series in HH, and I think the blood angel bits of it
outside of the HH series he's written all three sisters books, and the blood angel ones
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:56
having the deus ex writer on cyberpunk 2077 givs me some hope. didnt like the witcher stuff much(dont hit me) but love cyberpunk in general
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:56
To be fair, the team at edios montreal was such a fan of his work for the first one, they let him write/storyboard right at the start for no 2
so no having to fit narratives to the game, aside from a "we can only make so much area"
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Dec 22 2018 23:57
some of the william king stuff is btw on amazon for free since a while. only non BL stuff though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 22 2018 23:58
interesting
but yeah, I think french's best stuff is actually his short stories
Last Church, the remembrancer, some of the others
dealing with the darker side of the imperium before/during HH