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28th
Dec 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:13 UTC
So @CloverFox or @alphalas are y'all working on the open AdMin things? I've got the editor open and can bang them out if y'all aren't on it at the moment
Oh....oh boy. Open up the admin cat and "LINK MUST HAVE A TARGET THAT EXISTS" over and over...so...I'mma just gonna leave that alone and step back from it quietly...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:42 UTC
@/all can I get reactions/opinions on #4334
ignore who posted the topic since he was actually civil please
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:44 UTC
I disagree with it on principle, mainly because I both assist with the cat and because (like it or not...sighs) Guard are my primary army and I like having everything in one place.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:44 UTC
I meant my suggestion B
it allows for current behavior as the default
there, renamed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:46 UTC
I added a comment.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:48 UTC
if I thought v2.everythingweeverwanted was coming sometime this century I would agree
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:49 UTC
I mean I'm certain it'll be out before I turn 50
Also, if we wait for that we don't have to do anything with that request.
Which, again, I'm not a fan of
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:50 UTC
eh, I can see the utility in having a hide toggle for FW units
some folks DO have LGS/tournaments that disallow it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:51 UTC
I haven't been to a single event in 8e with that restriction
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:51 UTC
I have, sadly
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:51 UTC
ITC used to limit PL before CA17
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:51 UTC
and know oif several more
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 05:52 UTC
I mean...if you don't know if a unit is FW or not...you're doing it wrong
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 05:56 UTC
I mean, don't get me wrong, I feel like disallowing FW is lame, stupid, and wrong. but at least with the AM cat I get where he's coming from
which is why I suggested option hide over split or default hide
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 06:02 UTC
Ultimately I'm not a fan, but the decision will be on @alphalas
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 06:05 UTC
well, I was considering doing it globally out of fairness, so its just another NFO toggle
tekton
@tekton
Dec 28 2018 06:07 UTC
The argument that “a tournament limited it” seems like a slippery slope...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 06:08 UTC
that's not what I'm using as a fjustification
cleaner edit/view UX for those that don't use or intend to use it is
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 06:21 UTC
So I'm going to argue that there should no longer be a distinction of "FW Units". FW is no longer the boutique that it was. FW is "mainstream" and dividing it out is an old way of thinking that should be abandoned, IMHO
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 08:23 UTC
I don't disagree that excluding FW is a stupid idea.
but the ability to hide them may provide some sort of usefulness to some users, thus the discussion item
#4342 ... is reading comprehension a dead skill?
and grammar, come to think of it :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 11:43 UTC
We should not call out fw as separate. It is part of the game. End of story.
If cat owners are implementing date sources properly you can see which are fw on the list
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 11:59 UTC
And yes. Reading is hard. If your issue is closed just open another until tomorrow get your idiotic way lol
You°
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 12:01 UTC
idk what #4343 is even saying at this point. i assume it's the same person, but i have no idea what they're trying to get across
all i can think is it's been passed through google translate
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:01 UTC
I have decided. each mention of v2.chupathingy will be referenced with a different mythical animal each time.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:06 UTC
oh, you mean bscribe v2.pegasus?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:07 UTC
Now you get it!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:07 UTC
for a moment i thought you were on about that earlier bug report
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:08 UTC
BCBs?
or 4343. I told 4343 to stop using a translator and either find someone who knows english, or post in his native language.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:09 UTC
yeah, that one
where it was on about "default, choice, v1, v2" or something
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:09 UTC
haha yea that was odd
I'm guessing he wants to not equip intercessors with anything?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:10 UTC
i think it's the same one as @WindstormSCR was dealing with, where they want to take two melee weapons on the sergeant
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:10 UTC
but again, it's hard to tell what google translate wants.
I thought so, but unless Wind redid that entire OP, his was actually legible.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:12 UTC
well it has similar properties, like misspelling sergeant, putting spaces before punctuation, mentioning seventh edition
they seem to me misunderstanding how the wargear option of "X may either Y or Z" works
they want X to do both Y and Z
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:17 UTC
silly confused man.
That's not how it works
lol
I guess we'll learn more about this mystery man with his next issue raised.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:39 UTC
lmao
Are people trying to just change points and citing CA2018 now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:40 UTC
not the first time i've seen that one
the regular Phosphor Blaster was changed to 6pts, but not the Heavy one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2018 13:49 UTC
In regards to hide FW in AM my answer is:
(Fucking mobile not supporting images)
No show/hides
I’d even go as far as to say no splitting even when 2.cryptid comes out
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:54 UTC
it'll go the other way. more catalogues will have their FW options included by default, without the need for child forces
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:55 UTC
I mean, we can split things for performance if we have to in v2.puma and still link them in by default
That's why I said it won't actually do anything for that discussion - the cat splitting will be performance only and not used to hide shit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2018 13:56 UTC
Treating FW as anything but default 40k is is my mind, idiotic
Fair
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:56 UTC
Agreed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:57 UTC
libraries will be invisible to users. they wont even know they're there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:57 UTC
And before you ask, Puma is a mythical creature Griff.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:58 UTC
what's the vid? i cant watch at work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:58 UTC
Lol, rvb.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 13:59 UTC
ah. was never much into halo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2018 13:59 UTC
Blargh chicka honk honk
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 13:59 UTC
gasp How dare you.
Shizno.
RVB is definately worth the watch
at least the blood gulch seasons
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:03 UTC
So, now that I'm done playing devils advocate
the results of this discussion please me, and one of you can close that discussion thing with a comment :P
since I'm in the "treating FW as separate is dumb" camp too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:06 UTC
Glad to hear our guidelines are what we actually think :p
whoof. Guideline #1
well that needs to change.
lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:09 UTC
revision for no. 1 would be something like "only widely used entries that are consistent across all forces"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:09 UTC
that can be done when v2.kraken arrives
everything can be libraries :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:10 UTC
Is the GST a library, or are the cats libraries?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:10 UTC
well, I assume that will be a "we're going to break all yo lists" moment anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:10 UTC
twilight zone
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:10 UTC
GST is a library
yeah, i'm assuming it's a "break yo lists" moment as well
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:11 UTC
For some lists.
Xenos gets a pass
and knights
lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:11 UTC
well i'm gonna take some time to re-implement some ugly stuff in nids lol
have you seen the hive guard output?
IT IS TERRIFYING
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:12 UTC
@Kohato maybe gets a pass, depends on if I have to unfuck ynnari again
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:13 UTC
True. Beer Cheese may need to be unfucked.
Hive Guard that bad?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:13 UTC
i cringe every time i see it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:14 UTC
Glands/Sacs is what kills it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:14 UTC
Hive Guard [13 PL, 288pts]
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:14 UTC
Otherwise collective can fix that right up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:14 UTC
yeah
hopefully children on links will help with that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:15 UTC
wait
Does the whole unit need sacs/glands?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:15 UTC
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:15 UTC
Oh then collective fixes that shit now.
Make 2 hive guard entries - one with each weapon, then move the sacs/glands to the top level.
take a gander at wraiths.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 14:16 UTC
yeah, i know
thats how gants do it
i was mostly avoiding breaking lists, since i thought v2.dragon was near
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:17 UTC
Yea, I used to think silly things like that too.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:18 UTC
I'm operating under the assumption that v2.lemmings is vaporware :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 14:18 UTC
v2.sasquatch?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:18 UTC
Hey, if KH3 can come out
i'm sure BS can be updated too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:19 UTC
2019 is the year of plastic sisters, so who knows
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 14:19 UTC
...so they say
"Emperor Willing"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 14:19 UTC
the year of sisters and of v2.leoplurodon.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 14:20 UTC
and hopefully a less fucked up codex for them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 14:26 UTC
Here's hoping.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 15:23 UTC
So I've discussed this with a couple of folks and have all come to the same conclusion -- a single relic in a Vigilus detachment doesn't cost any CP. Is that right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 15:25 UTC
my reading was that you can take it instead of one from your faction's relic list
i.e. you have to be able to take one in the first place
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 15:25 UTC
That makes sense.
If it's your "first" relic from primary detachment then no CP cost
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 15:27 UTC
if it's your "Warlord relic" (i.e. you dont have any other relics) then yeah, it's free
but you can equally use your codex's relic stratagem to take it instead of one from the list specified in the stratagem
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 15:36 UTC
Detachment CP unlocks it as an available relic for that detachment's characters.
How you get more relics is still normal.
So 1 from Warlord - if you're in that detachment allows you to take the vigilus relic, or normal ones.
No extra CP needed :D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 15:37 UTC
Also -- is there a way to denote "Reinforcement Points" in BScribe?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 15:38 UTC
set the roster points limit
so it'll say "1475/2000" or w/e
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 15:38 UTC
Correct. Otherwise no.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 15:38 UTC
Right -- but that doesn't call them out
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 15:39 UTC
Nope. Could always add a NFO option in GST for it though.
1 Point each, unlimited selections.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 15:39 UTC
yeah, it's just assumed that when you dont spend all of your points, the rest are reinforcement points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 15:39 UTC
But yea, that's always been my assumption
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 15:40 UTC
I think we should add it in GST
I think it's a good idea
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 28 2018 15:42 UTC
we could do
assuming it doesnt do weird things with having hundreds of selections
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 15:44 UTC
No clue how it would behave
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 28 2018 15:56 UTC
@CrusherJoe i finished the AdMin changes last night, pull request is up, it fixes #4340 as well so i'm not sure how that's gonna play with your branch, it should merge in okay if you wanted to pull it into your branch instead
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2018 16:13 UTC
@CrusherJoe your broken link issue was the battle honors/custom characters implementation
Import new GST
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 16:14 UTC
I didn't actually do anything @CloverFox I saw you had fixed the open issues and left it alone
@alphalas it was BScribe needed to be updated LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2018 16:15 UTC
Lol that too probably lol
But yeah I just gotta do BA nonsense
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 16:16 UTC
@CloverFox I can merge your PR
#4345 ...um...way to not encourage me to disbelieve your credentials with your opening sentence.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 28 2018 16:20 UTC
i must admit, i did have a good chuckle at that
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 16:22 UTC
I don't like to admit to being an ugly American but English is the only language I have competency with. I know some words and phrases from other languages but I know at best I would sound like a wanker trying to sound out words and concepts in any other language. So whatever Anon's primary language is, I'm certain his English is better than my $other_language
But please don't try to lecture native speakers on the proper interpretation of a sentence or sentence structure or the words that modify/affect it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 16:24 UTC
Aww. The 3rd grade english professor got mad.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 16:25 UTC
I'm fairly confident that teaching English at a third grade level does not make one a "professor". Maybe that's what "professes" means?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 16:26 UTC
He's professing to know english.
He's just incorrect.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 17:49 UTC
Mmm, I like being able to make a necron batallion that is actually decent on paper.
*Brigade
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 17:50 UTC
What's a "Necron Brigade"?
That's like 2.yeti
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 17:50 UTC
CA made that shit real.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 17:50 UTC
Fake News
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 17:50 UTC
30 warriors, 20 immortals, Lord, Cryptek, Overlord, 12 wraiths, 10 scarabs, 2 Heavy Destroyers, a DDA, 5 Lychguard, 5 Deathmarks, and a Nightbringer.
Not cheesy, or the best - but a workable brigade.
Just gotta abuse the shit out of mephret strategems with the extra CP.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 17:59 UTC
That doesn't sound awful
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 18:00 UTC
I didn't think so. Again, not the best - but having any workable brigade is more than necrons used to be able to do :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 18:31 UTC
#4345 closed because its the same fuck on a crusade for individual weapon selections
if they wanted it that way, it would be worded like deathwatch is
its not, so he can fuck off
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 28 2018 18:32 UTC
it would say "each model" not "all models"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 18:39 UTC
Hey
Hey
He's an ENGLISH PROFESSOR!
Sorry, English Profess.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 18:39 UTC
And I'm King of England
its staying closed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 18:40 UTC
You're doing BA now yea?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 18:40 UTC
that's @alphalas
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 18:40 UTC
oh derp
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 18:41 UTC
I'll do Space marines though, and DA since I haven't seen @Thairne about and I have a campaign using them coming up
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 19:29 UTC
Welcome back @Mad-Spy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2018 20:48 UTC
lmao
This is amazing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 21:11 UTC
here, in big bold caps your poor grasp of english can understand: GO AWAY
is about how i feel
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 28 2018 23:45 UTC
@WindstormSCR, @Kohato, I don't really know why this person is appealing to me, but I've put my opinion on #4348 as well, to say that I also disagree with their interpretation.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2018 23:46 UTC
well, they have shown mixed weapons, but its always deathwatch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2018 23:59 UTC
...which is kinda DW's thing, isn't it?