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14th
Jan 2019
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Jan 14 00:17
question.. are the vigilus warlord traits available in BS, generally speaking?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 14 00:19
For the most part yes
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Jan 14 00:19
how would i find them?
specifically space wolves?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 14 00:20
I’m not sure wolves have been implemented yet
If so first add the NFO vigilus selector
Then they should unhide
@CrusherJoe
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Jan 14 00:20
ok, i dont see that in the SW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 14 00:21
Then it’s probably not implemented
It’ll be gotten to
CanisLupus518
@CanisLupus518
Jan 14 00:21
ok, no tproblem.. i didnt want to report them as missing until i was sure where to look
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 14 00:21
Yup np man
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 14:25
returns from his journey behind the Pine Tree Curtain
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe goes WTF
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 14:25
There. Huh. Okay it's working now
Sorry, was having issues with /me not working
Anyway
Yes, the Vigilus specialist detachment hasn't been added to Wolves yet, but it will be.
Soon-ish
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 14 14:27
I’ll get the guard bugs today
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 14:27
Yeah the next few weeks are going to be bonkerballs for me
My probate case goes before the court next Wednesday, and that involves several hours of driving back to east Texas for it, work is ramping back up, and then there's still LVO prep to be done
So..yeah...busy
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 14:52
CA2018 Errata
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 14:54
news to me.
But... can you hear that?
sounds like distrought cries of space wolves players...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 14 14:55
yes, sad tears from the Wolves.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 14:55
wow you guys scrolled right to the TWC part huh lol
at least something for Orks tho ... clarifies wartrukks etc. that were in CA17 and missed in 18 til now
Acts of Faith, The Passion
is fights twice good news ?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:00
Uh
No.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 15:01
I actually read it, but the SW one os the only one I have any idea about what it means :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:06
big oof
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Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:06
I mean.....not sure what the clarification is with The Passion
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:08
they added " .... instead of only once.’"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:08
And capitalized "Fight"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:08
not exactly sure who the hell could be confused by that in the first place
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:08
But again, still not sure what the clarification was
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:09
Twice good ... Once Bad! ..... duh!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:09
Because if you didn't understand that that meant you have no business playing 40K
I suggest Checkers or Chutes and Ladders
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:09
i can sort of understand why that was added
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:09
I am just a 40K pleb ... please enlighten me mahster!
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe straps himself in, as he is certain this explanation is going to make him homocidal
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:10
I mean .. even World Eaters get that 2>1
it's OK ... I have fresh Tea here
I'm prepared for the worst
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:11
well it didnt say that you dont also get your default activation in the fight phase, so you could argue that The Passion gave you two activations in addition to any others you might have
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 15:12

I just read flesh tea.
I need to step away from 40k. Now.

;P

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:13
they Nerfed the Holy hand Grenade !
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe reads what @GenWilhelm wrote, and twitches, struggling against his restraints.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:13
Man it's a good thing I'm strapped in here
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:13

Page 171 – Wargear, Storm shield
Change the points per item value to read ‘2’

Just kicking puppies now

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 15:14

Is a Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolv es or Deathwatch
Detachment also a Space Marines Detachment?
A: No.

Thank the gods.

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:15
@CrusherJoe no kidding .. so there were SoB players trying to claim that meant "can fight 2 additional times" got it .. "I have waited 30 years for my sisters rules and I'm gonna abuse the hell outta any uncertainty so that I can prove the superiority of my dedication to the Emperor!"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:16
I mean....ugh
Every time I read something like that I want to write a cheque to the Taliban
"Here ya go, fellas. I mean, I find your ideals and methods disgusting, but it's obvious to me our civilization must be destroyed."
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter checks on Joes restraints, they seem to be holding ... barely
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:20
I started writing a graphic novel a few years ago called Coast to Coast Murder Tour that was about a guy and a sidekick that traveled coast to coast improving the gene pool one moron at a time (well, it was more nuanced than that. the opening scene is the execution of an entire advertising agency for crimes against humanity)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 14 15:21
Victrix honour guard is now more saviour protocols than FNP ... so, good to see Ultramarines got something going for them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:26
It won't save them, unfortunately
You would make tactical marines cost the same points as Guardsmen and it wouldn't save them
(okay, actually, that might save them)
(but no one wants horde muhreenz)
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
I forget who I was arguing with, but I do so ever love being RIGHT
Q: For the purposes of the Tempestus Drop Force Specialist
Detachment, what is a Militarum Tempestus Detachment?
A: A Militarum Tempestus Detachment is an Astra
Militarum Detachment that has the Storm Troopers
Regimental Doctrine.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:32
i mean RAW that isnt correct. but now that it's an official ruling, you dont even have to be playing MT to use that detachment
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:32
A: No, you Tryhard fucktard, you can't take the Tempestus detachment and use other Regiments with it
Um
Yeah
You do
Storm Troopers Regimental Doctrine means all Scions
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:33
all scions are storm troopers. not all storm troopers are scions
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:34
...can't tell if trolling or actually trying to make an argument...?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:37
so my regiment is PARAGONIAN. they're not listed in the doctrines, so the codex tells me to pick the doctrine that best represents their fighting style, which is Storm Troopers
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe really struggles against the restraints and...is he frothing at the mouth?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 14 15:38
but then your MILITARUM TEMPESTUS models can't use that doctrine.
unless all the models are MILITARUM TEMPESTUS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:39
i dont have any MILITARUM TEMPESTUS models
but according to that FAQ, that detachment is now a MILITARUM TEMPESTUS Detachment
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 14 15:41
yeah, GeeDubs done screwed it up.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe writes another cheque
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:42
Does the Taliban have a GoFundMe page or something?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 14 15:42
However, only the Valkyries in your army can benefit from the special rules.
Because all the other valid models are MIL TEMP ones.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:44
Original FAQ -- Full Tilt Snark.pdf
I'm sharing the ORIGINAL version of the WGCX FAQ I wrote
That I had to...um...tone down
Regardless, I think 1. applies to this case
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 14 15:46
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:46
aww man. for a moment there i was thinking the drop force might be usable
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:46
It IS usable
You know
with SCIONS
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 14 15:46
yeah, like it's supposed to be
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:46
sorry, i meant viable
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:47
Now we won't go in to how stupid it is that they gave this to Scions because you pay a point premium for their built-in derp strike rules
Now....if it let you derp strike the planes....
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 15:48
you mean like elysian valkyries?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 14 15:48
Only because they realized Elysians derp strike better than scions do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 15:53
I mean...it's in their NAME
Elysian DROP TROOPS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 16:13
what's up with no. 7 on that doc, @CrusherJoe?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 16:51
aA3bRzZ_700b.jpg
well aint I happy that I got rid of my WD abo in the first year...
exciting new content!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 14 18:01
@GenWilhelm #7 is the direct result of tryhards saying they could make a heroic intervention and just move all their characters 3 inches at the end of their opponent's charge phase
No I'm not making that up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 14 19:16
well you should point them at a rulebook. because that's definitely not how that works
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 20:07
vigilus faq: "you fuckers, the answer is no"
on other notes I'm feeling much better, so I'll see what bugs are needing closed that are mine
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 14 20:32
God damn I hate people that put the questions in some times.
"If we use acceptable casualties rule, and I concede, does my opponent win?"
I know the thought was, "If I'm up on points, can I just concede and win?" And fuck whoever was thinking that stupid thought.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:02
if that was the actual thought process...
that puts the capital F in tFg.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 14 21:04
I mean, I can't think of what other line of thinking would bring that question about.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:09
I dont even try to fathom the thoughts.. that way lies madness.
but that is... that is beyond despicable.
And they actually thought they'd be able to use that "loophole" if it existed?
Turn 1, first blood, concede, win? Srsly?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:11
@WindstormSCR fixed Eldrad
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:13
@FarseerVeraenthis I'll take a look when you push it, was just looking at him myself
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:15
basically, because of the flakiness of something being hidden by default and then unhidden, Eldrad's logic works the other way around
but he only unhides if there is more than 0 selections of xyz
xyz being Ulthwe, None, or, now, Ynnarrrriiii
merged :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:16
ah, yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 14 21:16
shudder "Unhide"
I hate that word.
Hide if not!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:17
OK, yeah
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:17
I remember I had to use hide by default because the snarl of logic required for not hidden by default on the eldar SCs was nuts
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:17
the word you're looking for is "visible" :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:17
because fuck ynnari
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:17
yeah, that too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:18
I'm still amazed I managed to make DE work right in less than 24h
and now I go back and look at it, and realize I made it while drinking gin, and it looks like a foreign concept
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:18
never go back :smile:
just pray you got it right first time and keep on down that road
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:19
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:20
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:34
I think I have created an immensly filthy list
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:34
of??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:34
knights, deathwatch, and "deathwatch" (DA)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:35
show and tell??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:36
Knight Gallant or Levi Dread, 3x intercessors, 2x repulsor, primaris watch cap and libby, sammael on corvex, 2 land speeder vengeance, 1 regular speeder
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:36
how many points is that?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:36
2k on the nose
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:37
how many dudes in the intercessor squads??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:37
intercessor teams are 2 min squads with PF sgts in one repulsor, 1 team with 3 extra hellblasters and the cap and libby in the other rep
LSV is the DA one with the plasma storm batteries
as a ravenwing attack squad
gallant and Levi are close enough in points to be interchangeable, depending on what needs doing
if you need grav-flux fuckery, or gallant rip and tear
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:42
that's not many dudes on the table
are repulsors really that tough?
how hardcore is Sammael??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:43
repulsors aren't much tougher than a landraider (T8 16w) but fly and put out a ton of dakka,
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:43
also, @WindstormSCR are you working on Harlequins??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:47
yeah
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:47
hahaha
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:47
though I haven't fixed them yet
you can go for it and I'll discard
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:47
righto, you can choose to merge my request or just ditch it
perfect
I'll merge and away we go
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:48
@FarseerVeraenthis the basic idea of the list is to give the enemy nothing to shoot at but stuff with T8, or stuff with invulns, with the scary stuff having the invulns
basically no good options
since the ravenwing stuff all has jink but can still fire on advance because speed of the raven
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 21:49
yeah, that's pretty filthy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:49
so you could shoot the repulsors, and ignore the two plasma speeders, and the gallant or levi at your peril
or shoot the others, and the repulsors get to do work
the best part: everything has fly or rules that prevent it being tied up
so tarpitting just doesn't work
the infantry squads that can be pitted, have fists and a lot of basic attacks, plus SIA boltpistols
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:52
what about hordes that just drown you in dice so your saves fail?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:52
they have to wound vs T6+ first, and hordes are mostly S3
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:53
psychic shenanigans with mortal wound spam?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:53
will be annoying, but not crippling, the 2 LSVs are for redundancy
and the librarian can throw a wrench in things
basicaly the list assumes that the high threat invuln'd targets will be shot anyway by a competent player, and are simply trying to mitigate as much damage as possible
thus the attempt to make the gallant the biggest, scariest "shoot this first" target, as it has the highest wound pool so distracts the longest
the anti-horde/anti-tank balance is actually pretty decent
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:56
so basically you just do a lot of "shoot me" so the other shoot mes that dont get shot get to shoot
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:56
pretty much
it's the "no good options" list
designed to fuck up fire priorities and work with one of the elements crippled or missing
I've done it with my eldar going mechdar, and it's surprising just how well it works sometimes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 21:57
low model count makes scoring objectives a bit iffy though
large parts are pretty mobile, I admit
so taking out the fast elements, then deny and win by points?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 21:58
that would be the ideal counter
my own fire priority is mostly anti-tank
leaving anti-infantry to flail ineffectually
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 22:09
I love the way there is one lonely basic land speeder in there
"never mind me, I'm just makin' up the numbers like" :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 14 22:13
actually he has a job
the ravenwing attack squad has a strat he's useful for
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 22:14
that is a weak part of the puzzle tho
if someone figures that out that doubles as the counter and removes the hit-strat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 22:16
pardon??
I don't get it...
oh, ypu mean it does the initial kill for "signal the attck"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 22:18
that's what I presumed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 22:22
Sammael is hardly a slouch though... he gets auto re-rolls already.. mind you with +1 to hit he effectively "cannot miss" an unmodified opponent
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 14 22:29
right, that guy is there too
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 14 22:31
:+1: