These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

17th
Jan 2019
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 05:40
My one overlord is the volcano lance
It's The Problem Solver
Or as I like to call it, "The Magic Wand". It makes annoying things disappear!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 08:46

well, chalk up another win for the Crons!

QS is the devil

yes, yes it is
swallowed 3 lascannon hits at full damage and then a venerable dread axe-naught that got all lippy he rolled 2,4,5 I rolled 1,2,4 ... result = not a scratch
took me far too long to shoot the dreads though ... 4++ and FNP is rock hard to get through
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 09:01
sounds brutal
so, if the best thing to use on quantum shielding is a lot of low damage weaponry - does that make Heavy Flamers the go to weapon for taking them out??
or the heavy onslaught gatling cannon?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 09:25
(looks up volcano cannon) <-- yeah, that would sure do it!!! Heavy D6 with 3D3 damage per hit, at strength 14!?!?!?!?! that's pure filth
-5 AP... seriously...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:25
anything S6 or S7 ... with -1-3AP and 2 Damage is optimal ... QS has a 1CP strat to reduce the roll by 1 ... so it is possible to roll well (badly) and avoid some but not all of ... say a Sicaran assault cannon thingy
Volcano cannon damage 3D3 ? so 7 average ... auto pass QS on a 6 ... "Yes, it IS quite mild out, for the time of year"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:28
hmmm... how does QS work again exactly?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:28
roll lower than the damage taken to completely ignore that damage
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:28
lower than damage taken
I see
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:29
but not equal to
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:29
not roll lower than the dice rolls <-- because then that would make the cannon somewhat more vicious
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:29
correct
D3 damage weapons .. we hates them precious
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:30
hehehehe
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:30
hell blasters and other rapid firing things are QS bane
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:30
appspot is down btw :frowning:
hmmm... now I have to look up what's good for my Eldar
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:31
not fusion blasters K
Honestly ... since CA18 .. I'm 6for6 ... I'm really hoping someone can take Necrons to an event and do better than slightly average
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:34
groovy
looks like prism cannons on Focused, Reaper Launchers (because, of course!!), pulse laser, heavy d-scythe, singing spear and starcannon
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:36
I don't know what any of that is ... but I instantly dislike it and shall inform GW to increase the costs post-haste
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:36
fortunately I have all of them apart from the heavy d-scythe :-)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:36
are you UK Simon ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:37
yes
just outside Southampton on the south coast for me :-)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:38
not near the Manchester area ... gooooood not going to see that nastiness near my beloved crons anytime soon
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:38
hehehehehe
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:39
sailed from SH back in my Army days when we convoyed all the trucks out ... remember getting very drunk and sleeping in my car in the cinema carpark
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:39
all most of that stuff is on classic spam units
sounds perfect
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:41
fun times .. distant memories
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:41
Fire Prism (tank) has a prism cannon with three modes of shooting, Dark Reapers obviously have Reaper Launchers, the Pulse Laser is on the Falcon, Heavy D-scythe is Hemlock Wraithfighter weapon, singing spear is a Farseer option (always wounds on a 2+ with D3 damage) and starcannon is an Eldar plasma cannon but it only has one mode of firing and doesn't overheat - D3 damage
where did you sail to??
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 10:42
I want to say Greece (I was very drunk) and then drive up to Kosovo in a rickety old 4-tonne truck with no power steering
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 10:43
so what you're saying, Simon, is a crimson hunter exarch with star cannons?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 10:45
yeah, that would mess up something with QS pretty badly
4 x S6 shots at AP -3 with D3 damage
Hitting on 2+, re-rolling 1's
well, starcannons are heavy, so hitting on 3+, with re-rolls to wound against things that can FLY... can the "things with QS" fly??
and @sk_Father_Price_twitter some of those military vehicles are pretty dodgy to drive
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 10:56
yeah, pretty much all necron vehicles FLY :wink:
that's why i was suggesting hydras yesterday
and dont forget the crimson hunter also has a pulse laser ^^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 11:01
oh yes, you're right, I had forgotten
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 11:15
so @sk_Father_Price_twitter if you play against eldar, kill the aircraft and the Dark Reapers first, they're both squishy anyway
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 11:49
Captain Joystick wrote:

The 40k BSData guys separated the forgeworld space marine units into their own faction because there's so much of them.

Have to correct this, the BSData team made no such changes .. the FW units appear in Imperial Armour - Index: Forces of the *

Well here I sit thinking we did it for catalogue size/implementation reasons... but I guess Forumites know better.

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 11:51
yeah, if the second statement was true there would be a IA: Xeno catalog
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 11:51
catalogue size isnt a concern just yet. it was mostly to avoid duplication iirc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 11:52
wasnt there some issues with loading space marine or space wolf cat on mobile?
Anyway, gonna fire a lil shot at that guy :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 11:53
in 7e, yeah. but that was mostly because of formations afaik
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 11:56
righty, I pushed formations out of my brain a long time ago...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 12:18
Not even formations. Just a shitload of things for Marines
Having them separate helps logistically.
But they know better lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 12:30
Yeah actual reason is to avoid problems like I have with guard/edt/dkok right now
Duplication making maintenance a pain
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 12:37
not to worry, though. v2.kobold will fix that :smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 12:42
We hope
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 12:55
the problem I have with playing 40K ... is that as soon as I finish a game, I want another as soon as I can straight after ... mind is still buzzing after last night with other units I want to try
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 12:58
biggest problem i have is building dozens of lists that i'm never going to play
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:04
Planning to get my arse to Warhammer World this year for a couple games .. I'd let you bring a list or 2 mate
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 13:17
yeah, building lists takes much less time than actually playing games
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:24
So ... is LVO in feb our next big thing ?
where we'll see 'META' shifts
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:34

https://imgur.com/a/fv9CLvD

Last Chance Open 2019 results from this weekend,

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 13:43
oh look, eldar soup is still really strong. who'd'a thought?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:46
I certainly did a double take at DeathWatch in top 5 ... but then saw the SoB and Raven Knight at the bottom of list ... /sigh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:46
DW are on the rise
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:46
rising yes .. topping tables .. mono ? ... not yet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:47
Truthfully all marine armies are on the back foot right now. The basic tactical marine ain't what he used to be (and frankly, it sucks)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:48
Welcome to the world of First Dex.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:48
yeah, bought my Raven Guard out and dusted them off for a game a couple weeks back .. it was 'Fun' but just lack anything ... well anything
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:48
Xenos were neglected until the last codexes and are now outpacing things because of it, because we love codex creep.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:49
Truthfuly the most "balanced" the game has ever been was at the beginning of 8th and Index-only armies
It was bland and mostly flavorless...but if you wanted balance...there it was
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:49
As a Necrons player I was about to take umbrance with @Kohato there .. but yeah, can't argue .. CA18 pleased me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:50
CA18 pleased pretty much everyone
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter looks around for the GK player crying in the corner
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:50
If you couldn't find something to like in CA18, you're probably un-help-able
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:51
I'm actually rather surprised that GW hasn't taken the custom character/battle honors a step further for astartes.
Custom Chapter Tactics based on a point buy system.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:51
GK suffer from the same syndrome as all other marines
AND
They are further hamstung by the utter lack of Primaris
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:51
That also surprises me
that CA didn't give them access to primaris.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:52
I don't know if they will ever get Primmies
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 13:52

the beginning of 8th

you mean when spamming undercosted models, like razorwing flocks/drones/conscripts, was the meta?

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:52
fluff wise .. does Guilliman know of the GK and their mission ? in broad or narrow terms
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:52
Primaris marines with baby smite would be painful
I'm sure he does, it's been 100+ years since he's been back
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:53
then it's weird ... sent Primaris as far as the flesh tearers on a far distant world .. but not to the silver guys on the moon nearest Terra
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 13:54
Deathwatch are the only marines not really struggling, because its easier for them to actually make full use of the statline
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:54
@sk_Father_Price_twitter I'm...hmm. Well I was pretty sure but now when I think about it, weren't GK a post-Heresy creation?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:54
I thought it was odd that Cawl spent all this time making primaris processes for astartes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 13:54
during the heresy, but then sequestered until the scouring
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:54
but didn't want to make buff skitarri?
I want bullgryn sized skitarri :p
absolute units with metal arms rushing forward.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 13:55
that's probably to do with the fact most magos consider skitarii "disposable"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:55
and who is going to spend a fortune 'upgrading' abhumans
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 13:55
Flip of the coin, who better to test upgrade procedures on than expendable chaff?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 13:56
they were the knights-errant during the heresy iirc. then reformed into what we know as GK today afterwards
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:56
they were Knights Errant - Malcadors super-secret pet project and taken from the ranks of all the chapters ..
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:56
looks like prism cannons on Focused, Reaper Launchers (because, of course!!), pulse laser, heavy d-scythe, singing spear and starcannon
Yes Dark Rapers are always a good choice. Them, and Shining Spears.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 13:57
so I guess .. they need the chapters to get some promising Primaris recruits for Kaldor to go and steal
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 13:59
For that matter, Cawl himself may not know about GK
On top of that, to make it in to GK you have to be a psyker, AND survive the initiation
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 14:02
do GK recruit astartes or men?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:03
ooho yeah .. they don't take from chapters any more .. recruit from the blackships .. So I presume as they have no Primarch, Cawl had no geneseed to work on to make them big silver bois
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:04
Did he need the seed to make primaris?
Also doesn't every astartes have a geneseed organ that he could've taken from
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 14:04
the extra organs are grown from the seed, right?
so he would need access to GK gene-seed to make new GKs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:05
Kind of, they're the blueprint to grow the organs.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 14:05
or to upgrade existing duders
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:05
the primary theory now is that their geneseed comes directly from the Emperor himself,
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 14:06
clearly what we need is primaris draigo
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:07
Cawl would have had access to the geneseed from the chapters including the 2nd and 11th ?? missing ones .. but 10,000 years ago when he started the project I can't imagine the Inquisition guy in charge letting this guy have access to the Emperors geneseed to play around with to make super soldiers mk2
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:07
But point being, Progenoid Glands have the seed in them don't they?
That's what an apothecary is for
to harvest them after death to preserve the geneseed
So if you have 1 GK that was an astartes, you theoretically have access to the seed yea?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:08
yeah .. unless they do their MiB routine and clean up after themselves leaving no progenoids to cawl to squeeze like a stress ball
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:09
Interesting. Cawl actually has samples for primaris from all 20 legions.
But Bobby declared only loyalists to be made into primaris.
Including the Lost legions.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 14:10
...and then Cawl has been making Loyalist versions of some traitor legions
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:10
yeah he wsn't swayed by Cawls "I can make them better!"
I got money on it @CrusherJoe ... no way he took no for an answer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:11
We'll find out. In another 20 years!
Because damn if we don't like slow plodding story here at GW
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:11
30 years to get past M41 ...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 14:12
I haven't seen M42 referenced anywhere officially
And with Vigilius there's a new "clock"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:13

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grey_Knights

Regardless how Epimetheus became a Grey Knight, his original Progenoid Glands were removed and sealed in a stasis capsule beneath Titan along with the gene-seed of all the already-implanted recruits. It was then replaced with the new gene-seed set aside for the foundation of the Grey Knights

Oooooooh

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:13
We've been at 999.M41 for EVER
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 14:18
we were until gathering storm started the wheels turning
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 14:18
at the same time
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 14:18
"current" time is sometime after 100.M42
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 14:18
its a setting, not a story
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:21
Fine, then advance the setting
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:25

Fine, then advance the setting

You know everytime someone says that GW exterminatus an entire planetary system ! ... you need to stand to attention and shout "Cadia Stands!" one thousand times

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:36
I'm fine with them going planet crack on a few worlds.
Do it to Ultrimar, they leave too many toilet seats around.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 14:39
Or the Rock
They leave too many traitors hanging around
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 14:42
That implies there are loyalists on the Rock.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 14:46
little fellas .. wear dark hoods
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 15:11
I always imagine they capture chaos dudes and take them back to the Rock for "interrogation"
And by "interrogation" I mean "hot-oil massages, braiding each others' hair, pillowfights, etc."
Aroused Snickering.gif
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 17 15:33
if the DA turned ... I wonder which chaos god they would fall under
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 15:34
undecided
or tzeentch
all them secrets
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 16:00
Black Lesion
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 16:00
So nurgle?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 16:01
Tzeentch, definitely
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 16:01
"Black Lesion"
Sounds like Nurgle to me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 16:03
Y'know, to this day no one has been able to adequately explain to me why the Slaanesh GD is a Keeper of Secrets
That seems like it should be the Tzeentch one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 16:04
Tzeentch isn't secrets so much as plans, schemes, and change.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 16:09
I'm very interested in seeing what GW does with Slaanesh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 16:17
it begins with an S
and ends in a quat
:stuck_out_tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 17 16:28
Slaanesh?
I think you meant to type Five Horned Rat
tekton
@tekton
Jan 17 17:44
@sk_Father_Price_twitter as a "late to the party response" Bobby G knows a lot about the Grey Knights, even inviting Voldus to accompany him to Terra. The new novels also have the GK fighting in the open and not killing people that see them- logical since the knowledge of demons is common due to the warp scar through the imperium
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 19:10
ah, another few cheap attempts at painting the most stalwart of egoistical chapters as simple traitors.
Go on, I'm an Mechanicus guy now, I don't even carOMG STOP IT YOU JUST KNOW THATS TRIGGERING ME TO THE EYE OF TERROR AND BACK YOU ** ** * *
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 19:40
:kiss:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 20:04
keep your filthy xenos lips off me, xenos scum!
(unless you're a hot eldar female. In that case....)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 20:36
that all depends whether you enjoy the scream of the banshee
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 20:41
oh I'd make you scream darling...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 22:05
moving swiftly on, is Appspot back yet?
yay! it appears to be back
That'll do I suppose