@Kohato has anything from the spec detachments been put in yet for orks?
to save me crawling through the whole file
stompa mob was surprisingly easy
And that's orks done
wolves next
@WindstormSCR go ahead and fix vigilus for Guard
I too am neck deep in bullshit
Sorry was out to dinner
Thanks for banging that out. To rest your mind no nothing had been done for vigilus
Well then
I'll double check that and see if any of the others need attnetion
wolves done
@CrusherJoe I unfucked the warlord traits hide system in the process
because hiding on links made me cringe and didn't work with the field commander thing
doing surgery on guard next
@alphalas bit of an odd implementation, but it actually works fine, I'm just going to put in the CP costs
and now, we are at that wonderful reported-bug-free state for a release!
Wow! Incredible work @WindstormSCR!!
So, new Custodes beta rules, with the accidentally leaked jump Custodes! https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Forgeworld_Custodes_Datasheets-1.pdf
66ppm, with 18" Pistol 2 S6 AP-2 D2, and a S6 AP - 2 D1 melee.
and a shield that negates AP -1
I just saw the post and was about to remark that the CAT needs updating
Aegis of the Emperor is powerful as well
the Custodes needed something to avoid mortal wounds in the psychic phase
Lastrum Storm Bolters with the new Beta Bolters rule are now significantly better than Heavy Bolters
They don't get it? Only ADEPTUS ASTARTES and HERETIC ASTARTES>
oh yeah!!
good point
More fun for @WindstormSCR! Adding in beta profiles which replace the standard ones, somehow.
I’ll do custodes
It’ll just have to wait till Monday
@Mad-Spy I thought all of those datasheets were new? so people could use units from the HH series in WH40K??
most of them are updated versions of the previous beta sheets
Yup
Thankfully the galatus now has rules
Note that the Aegis of the Emperor only negates MW in the Psychic phase, so it isn't effective against Powers of the C'tan, for one thing.
Well turns out the hivebelly can be quite useful, depending on points cost..
6 shots, hitting on 2s, each hit explodes
wat
depending on points, an avg. of like 10 hits is.... impressive
5+ save, T3 is not really durable though and pretty limited in range
+3 on his cult ambush though
though ambush may be waaay different in the dex
those liberator autostubs are heavier than a heavy bolt pistol
guess its more along the lines of "a good shot" just like a vindicare always wounds on 2+
liberator is Pistol 2, S4, AP -1, D2 // Heavy Bolt Pistol is Pistol 1, S4, AP -1, D1. So the autostub shoots twice as fast, punches as hard, and each shot does twice as much damage as a mass-reactive bolt... how unusual
gotta love that Codex creep
that... is actually quite codex creepy.
insane.
well, exactly... and because they're Pistol weapons the bolt pistols don't benefit from the Beta Bolters rule
really the autostub should be D1
in my opinion there is no real way to justify "plain" bullets that do 2 damage
nope, I totally agree.
if a bolter is D1, a bullet NEVER can be D2 (rather D 1/2).
if a bolter is D1, a bullet NEVER can be D2 (rather D 1/2).
:+1:
plot armour bullets
i've noticed they tend to be pushing a lot of D2 weapons recently
with no real reason why theyre higher damage
yeah, all it does is ruin the case for Primaris
against a D2 weapon there is no difference between Tactical or Intercessor marine
seems a little silly to me
yep. the only justification i can see is this guy is supposed to be an assassin type, so he needs the extra damage to deal with characters efficiently
in response to people asking if the new rules were on bscribe yet
is that from Dakka?
discord
well I get better cracking... the manipulus neds to be available yesterday.
good luck with that, given we don't have a datasheet until next week! :grinning:
at least we got a few statlines, gear and abilites... :P
and its friday, I'm at work and am catching a cold. Anything but work is welcome right now :P
and its friday, I'm at work and am catching a cold. Anything but work is welcome right now :P
hehehehe!! BCB has a reasonable sense of humour after all?!
I know how you feel @Thairne - I woke up in the early hours of the morning with a sniffy nose and a headache... It's not improved
hehehehe!! BCB has a reasonable sense of humour after all?!
I'm screenshotting this and getting it framed
And preemptive bugrep posted
worst part is - mr Harlequin Slaneesh guy brought nurgles rot with him on wednesday.
sad face
I don't think I can put my finger on where mine came from, but I HATE being ill with a passion
especially if you get sick on fridays, go to work, and have to lay low on the weekend.
then get up healthy on monday.
yeah, that sucks, hopefully I'll be able to run myself down over the weekend "just bashing through" and then have a genuine reason to stay home on Monday :smile:
that's the spirit xD
:+1:
priorities
I wonder if I can run on a bit of paracetamol...
have a few nice walkies in the cold, wet weather...
Soooooo
Not this year, but next, if everything goes sorta okay
I plan on me and The Girl going to Wacken Open Air
Any of y'all in the area? :)
beer, dirt, overcrowded and metal.
Yes
That's the idea
still a 12h drive away from me :D
Been once, 2006...
Been once, 2006...
Aaaaaand?
beer, dirt, overcrowded and metal :D
thats about it
So like ACL Fest here, but heavier
And I'll wager not nearly as hot
it can be quite temperate that close to the sea, but if the sun burns it burns
Every time I see something like this:
I want to go more
I remember the prices for hard stuff being inane, like 30€ for a bottle of vodka.. in 2006
Eh...I don't drink so that's not an issue for me lol
shrug it nothing like as far away as America :smile:
which makes it much more likely I could attempt to attend
well that is about as accurate as it gets.
its a bit less awesome once you ARE stuck between 20k meltalheads and need to ... dunno, breath :P
its a bit less awesome once you ARE stuck between 20k meltalheads and need to ... dunno, breath :P
Nightwish is on my list of bands to see before I die, as are a lot of bands that have a tendency to be at Wacken
just be prepared to be there. early. Or else you'll see a few heads and flashing lights ;)
As symphonic metal is kinda my jam
Yes sir
but withthe volume they put out you can hear them clear as day 500m back
and if you get any closer - protect your ears
and if you get any closer - protect your ears
I currently have only one band I want to see - Heilung. I'll have em shove my dying bed up to the stage if they have to.
I like a LOT of bands that don't tour the States often if at all
And when they do they don't come anywhere close
that does sound pretty loud
Aaaaaaaaand I've been looking for a good excuse to justify a nice long vacation to Europe
:+1:
"it's nice"
justified
Though I will probably want a shirt that says, "I'm Sorry" on it
"I can pick up enough hobby stuff to save the money for the trip in price difference"
Because I feel like every time someone figures out I'm from the US, I'll feel compelled to say that
Or I'll fall back to my usual stance
"Are you an American/Yank/whatever?"
"I'm a Texan."
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe just sighs.
usually wacken folks are pretty friendly
so I wouldnt expect anyting. SJW usually dont get a foot in in metal :P
Man...I'll be glad when this country decides to elect a leader that isn't an embarrassment to the rest of the world
wel all will be mate, we all will be...
Right??
Ugh
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe puts the soapbox up, even though it calls to him, Precious
I mean, Trump only does two things wrong, really:
- Everything he says 2. Everything he does
hahahahah!! I :heart: that explaination
It's funny...because it's true
It's tragic...because it's true
Aaaaaanyway
I've been listening to Otep's Kult 45 album lately
It's like Rage Against the Machine with the anger turned up past 11 to Seethe
...and a female lead vocalist that's an amazing, amazing wordsmith
He's just a morally corrupt
Demagogue
Who's in lust with his daughter
So he pays porn stars
To dress like her
But beware
You can piss in his mouth
You can piss anywhere but
"Watch my hair"
There. Blockquote is odd lol
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe notices he's standing on the soapbox. Again. How did he get up there...again?
looked at that festival...
flipping goodness, it looks MASSIVE!!
Yes sir
It's like Metal Mecca
I feel as though it's the pilgrimage I am compelled to make
hehehehe
AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!
yikes, sounds very dramatic
Wilhelm Scream
So, I've been working with our partners since Sept to sort a problem with a client site
Are they tau?
config changes that take 2 week turnaround, major pain in the ass, now been escalated to our MD
Online with their engineer this afternoon. "Does it matter that I can't reach your site from our server?"
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
...
lmao
.......
....................................
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe hands @Mad-Spy a 12 ga. shotgun. "You know what to do."
I have a quick policy question. New Custodes Beta rules came out this morning. The old Contemptor-Exemplar Dreadnought is no longer in there. But the Contemptor Galatus is. Do you normally interpret this as that option is no longer available or that you would use the older Beat rules for it?
right... so, the problem is with their server, not the Client site... bonkers, some people....
if it's the same model, use the new rules. if not... no idea
Use older beta rules, as the new ones don't introduce a datasheet that replaces the Exemplar
^
Unless it's like @GenWilhelm says
OR DO THEY? I had this with the Hellforged Termite.
Same model, new rules. Old datasheet no longer available.
oh yeah, I rmember those hilarious discussions
but the datasheets are different
there actually isn't a model for the Exemplar, people were using a Galatus and replacing the arms with standard dread fists
for the same model
@Mad-Spy I feel your pain, brother.
At least its sorted?
"Does your Model have a datasheet" is the DC flow.
Which makes it fun.
"yes, it has two"
CONSULT THE FLOWCHART OF FUCKERY
I think we decided that the datasheet name is what decides it.
A'La D Princes.
the precedent is to use the most recent datasheet, unless your model has wargear from an older one
@CrusherJoe well hopefully it will be when their parent company gets around to editing their firewall rules.
smoooth
Oh
Oh dear.
At least its off your plate now?
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe looks hopeful
It's got escalated high enough that it should get sorted this afternoon.
ok so the Exemplar would stay and the Galatus would just get added
That's what I'd interpret it as.
oh, so we can keep both of those, but I had to remove the Hellforged Termite!! OK, then. I see how it is! :grinning:
Exemplar has a datasheet. Galatus has a datasheet. They are two different models.
Correct?
only if they use different models irl
but exemplar never had a model
it was a kit bashed thing.
and if the differentiation is weapons, land raider variants ... they're the same except weapons.
idk. this is a right mess that FW has given us
*Same model I mean
Haha, is it anything less than expected?
are the old rules still available?
And we still hope that their list builder will be supported and correct laughs in chaos
^^ You are so funny
if the old rules are gone, i would say that looks like a deliberate choice by FW, given these are beta rules
Why do I think the phrase "Consult the Flowchart of Fuckery" should be said in Dalek voice?
Oh Iain, dunno if you read up 2 novels of text, but we've made it so the SHD in the GST renames and adds points based on IK Knight Lance rule. It can be tweaked to allow Chaos Knights to do the same if you wanted to move back to SHD
Because it should be.
And why can't I find a Dalek text to speech generator?
lol, Joe. that reminds me of Choose Your Own Adventure books, where it regularly asks you "Do you have the [Orb of Fuckery]?"
I guess it depends on if today's Beta rules are "in addition to" or "replacing" the old Custodes beta rules
"Does the Wand of Fuckery count? No? Hrm..."
Does it? Consult the flowchart!
pushes up glasses The wand of fuckery was an index option ACKSHUALLY
But the new model is an orb, not a wand.
But the one I have from Epic Trader in '87 has a waaaaaand
where is this flowchart?
@teage-like-league like for like datasheets will be replaced by the latest ones
I need to get that framed.
The-Flowchart-of-Fuckery.jpg
marvellous
the problem is Exemplar =/= Galatus but the models might be similar (even if Exemplar never had a "proper" model)
If I ever had a game shop that did 40k
That'd be framed on the wall in the game room.
it isnt in a codex, so the flowchart says to use the index version, which it also doesnt have :smile:
now now @GenWilhelm
We should add little adendums to the sheet as GW comes up with them.
that's why they're Beta
and that doesn't answer the questions if future iterations add to or replace the beta rules. In this case "look at the flowchart" isn't helpful
clap Welcome to the conversation Teage :D
imo, you should always be using the most recent version of beta rules
well, the general concsensus is that the newest version of a particular datasheet replaces the old version
The above mentioned fuckery flowchart is all that GW gives us to interpret their will of what sheets are legal.
Does it matter to them that it is nigh useless when they do rules and shit via the community site?
Fuck no!
if they've omitted stuff in the newer version, it's likely a conscious choice
IRL, what is the difference between an Exemplar and a Galatus??
Weapons I assume.
But again, land raiders.
or hell, X-Blade variants.
yeah, but I don't know what either of them have?
if Exemplar weapons = Galatus weapons then shrug who knows
if not, then, keep both - they're different units :smile:
:+1:
There. Frame that one.
:+1:
We need an offshoot to the index box.
perfect
I think it gets a little more complicated
"But my model doesn't have an index either" >>> "Fuck off"
The Achillus dread is in both versions
it used to match stats with the Exemplar
it got a little nerf and now matches the galatus, which seems to indicate all of the Custode Contemptor patterns got a nerf
so if you leave the Exemplar and just add the Galatus, the Exemplar did not get the nerf
OK, I'm averagely confused because I dno't know the list intimately
Man what font does GW use for that flowchart?
comic sans ms
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe looks at @FarseerVeraenthis through slitted eyes
Uh huh. Sure.
@FarseerVeraenthis there are basically 3 patterns of Contemptor dread for Custodes(Galatus, Achillus, and Exemplar). 2 have a model (Galatus and Achillus).
Real men use Comic Sans Italics.
@teage-like-league thanks
that makes the mud slightly more transparent
The first set of beta rules only gave rules for the Achillus and Exemplar. The second set gives rules for the Achillus and Galatus
and @CrusherJoe you leave Comic San alone, it never did anyone any harm (runs)
@teage-like-league so the Galatus has a different loadout than the Exemplar??
and is different again from the Achillus
Comic Sans is there for one reason. To be a part of the "My First Science Fair Project" pack.
:+1:
@FarseerVeraenthis that is correct. All three have a different loadout
At least it's not THIS font:
...I may have made that after a trip to Hobby Lobby
...where every sign for sale in that store has that piece of shit font used at least once
Haha
If I want something edgy and "hard" I actually like the Warcraft font.
"Lifecraft"
I love the font on the bottom "rocker" text
That font just reminds me of middle school
and learning how to draw a Cool S.
The bottom font is nice though
compact, but still easily readable (if not curved like a jackass)
I opened a birthday party invite for my little boy using a similar font, It too me ages to figure out it said "XYZ is turning 4"
What a badass name.
XYZ
@teage-like-league that makes it easy, 3 different loadouts = 3 different datasheets, which we now have
"Zzizz" is how I imagine that would be pronounced.
The top font is Iron Horse
The bottom is Ironclad
hehehe yeah, the real name was Lilia I think
but that requires thought to type
@Kohato, it's a bit like Abcde (Absidee)
Yea, fuck that mom.
Oh you can't pronounce my daughter's stupid as fuck name that isn't actually a word?
Gonna lodge complaints against you!
....
Man, I'm gonna be so fucking rich
Fee
When I prefect my method for stabbing someone in the face over standard TCP/IP
I will pay you good money for that!
@Kohato , @CrusherJoe , and @GenWilhelm do you agree?? 3 different loadouts = 3 different datasheets
I do
Since they have 3 bespoke names
Ayup
I posted the question on their FB post announcing the beat rules
*beta
the exemplar is just the achillus without the spear and a regular contemptor gun arm
I'm leaving it in until ambiguity cleared up
I mean, we'll get a FAQ in 3 weeks saying that the new one is indeed the old one, and you should pay 10 points per storm shield
also I'm awake so custodes are getting put in now
does @alphalas know?
no idea, but it's my cat
He does.
:+1:
I heard the orgasmic shout all the way from PA
@WindstormSCR out of curiosity, how do you handle the new Custodian Guard datasheet?
Well, cold air carries sounds further.
I think.
just saw him say he was going to do it earlier, and he's assigned on #4505
he said until monday
so I'm doing it in an hour and he can have fun
@teage-like-league its a separate datasheet because of the subtext
Because of the implication
just like "in terminator armor" is a subtext
she won't say no
what are you saying, Earl; are these datasheets in danger?
@WindstormSCR cool, thanks for the explination
No, no, no, who's saying that?
I'm just saying the datasheets won't want to say no
You know, because of the implication
@teage-like-league if you want to help do this faster, could you do a fine-tooth comb through the existing sheets that got reprinted looking for changes?
achillus, coronus, etc
sure thing. The Achillus definately got changed
lost two wounds, lost a leadership, lost some range on his dreadspear shooting, lost an AP on his dread spear
Impaling charge rule changed
Impaling charge rule changed
Yay, I found a variation of Dr.Toboggan that wasn't taken.
Fuck now I have to update the author name on Crons/IK
Bah, not worth it.
lmao
@WindstormSCR Coronus gained 2 Strength, Twin Arachnus Laz- Blaze profiles changed too. Gravitic Backwash rules changed drastically, but almost all the special rules got wording changes
@Kohato really?
I wish I could change reddit names too
@alphalas I've already got 3 of the new units in, you'll be able to listbuild by lunchtime
interestingly, they removed the "only one of each datasheet" limitation
Noice!
Lunchtime is a generous guess
Appspot has to take it's midmorning nap
well
alphalas can do it because he pulls using the repo
everyone else will have to wait for appspot to wake up
And down to 2 Issues
And profile picture changed to something more fitting.
Can anyone say "Overloaded elite slot"m 3 times fast?
because that's definitely custodes now
even the new CG option is elites
"We Like Vanguards for our CP!"
I mean it kinda fits
1 CP at a time lol
problem is I just finished a 4k of Custodes to take to Adepticon
*list
well
at least you'll have plenty of options
lol very true
@teage-like-league you know how to pull from the repo using git desktop?
with all the gold, they are quick to paint up too
@WindstormSCR I do, thanks
saves on the decision making early in the morning too ... "Do I want Elites, other Elites ... or maybe step it up and take Elites!"
k, you can do a QA check once this gets pushed if you like, I like to think I'm torough, but I do make mistakes
sure thing
it's why me and DrToboggan play Necrons .... "Tesla or Gauss ..... aaaaaand list done!"
First Half is up
done through Agamatus custodians
jump packers next then on to the rest
Haha yep. And the answer is usually Tesla.
Because it's fun
no lie, this stuff is making me rethink golden boys for a next army
I was going to do a GSC with less overt genestealer tones as an inquisitorial force
or as chaos-worshipping insurrectionists, I hadn't decided
sadly I have a suspicion the JP custodes might be overpriced
but we'll see
they're using effectively starcannons, which for my eldar have always been lackluster
and 3+ save on 62ppm gonna hurt
66 ppm with pistol/buckler
@WindstormSCR Under Aquillon Custodian, Solarite Power Talon is coming up as a unit instead of a weapon in the View Selection
odd
also the achillus points didn't take, already fixed that
Update pushed
do a pull and see if its fixed for you
the caladius got moved to HS
custodes brigades just became viable
if hilariously expensive
2538 points for minimum custodes brigade now
caladius is mean now
POTMS and that arachnus heavy blaze is a nasty peice of anti-tank
Achillus Dreadspear cost did update for me
hell of a point reduction on that thing
true, but it isn't what it was either
true
Power Talon looks fixed now too
All these bolters, with Custards go the new beta bolter rules
*wish
@WindstormSCR Galatus Warblade (shooting) weapon abilities is incorrect.
Fixed
the telemon joined the rest of us in the realm of sanity finally
262 for double fist telemon, 272 for double aracnus guns
@WindstormSCR Venatari Custodians are missing Aegis of the Emperor rules in View Selection
so they are
fixed
I think I made it through everything you have pushed so far. I am at the Caladius in the Beta Rules
just finishing the orion now
#4505 lol
@teage-like-league pushed another update
if it checks out I'll mark it as officially done and release
cool, will check it out
I am still showing the Caladius as Fast Attack
try reloading the roster
just create a new one
sometimes things get odd like that if you update on an open roster
ah that did it
Coronus is now seriously worth using to protect wardens/CG squads/Terminators
stick trajann, vexilus, and a 4-warden group in one with axes for max fun
@WindstormSCR Caladius no longer has Gravitic Cascade rule
right, forgot to rename it to explodes
fixed the coronus as well
Also need to change it from a "5 or 6" to on a 6
yep
going to go grab a quick lunch
be back in~20
@WindstormSCR Telemon - Illiastus Accelerator Culverin is now Heavy 4 instead of Heavy 6. Atomantic Cascade also need turned back to the normal Explode.
@WindstormSCR Sagittarum Custodian Adrastus Bolt Caliver (Desintigration Beam) Damage should be D3 not 3
Fixed
and pushed
anything else popping out?
almost done
I don't think the Telemon Caestus weapon points are right
oops nevermind
I am just not used to reading it that way
its a quirky thing because the modifier only happens when 2 are selected
yeah took me a minute lol
I think it looks pretty good
I hope I didn't miss anything
same here
orion I double-checked myself
I love that ship
I am so excited to see rules for it
its mean
with that double heavy blaze and potms
knight-killing mean
At least it's all FW stuff, so I won't see it often vs my knights
@Mad-Spy want me to squash that easy chaos big?
my 4k list became a 3713pt list. Room for a 2nd Telemon!
Mmm, Sunsmiting.
now I have a few things to go do around the house, but that should have solved the whiners
@amis92 You closed our kudos!
@WindstormSCR, if you're on a roll, go ahead
you didn't reply, so I left it for you, release is out
FW stirring the custard
Finally decided that I should probably base some models after 4 years ...
Huh purple goes well on the deceiver