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15th
Feb 2019
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 12:52
It's friday!
And Monday's a federal holiday :D
Woo!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 13:12
I hate you.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 13:43
Then sir, you hate 'murica.
Cause it's a day honoring all but 1 of our presidents.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 15 13:51
who's the 1?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 13:53
The one that is planning to use a National Emergency as a stick to fight congress.
In reality, Isn't monday actually just Washington's Birthday?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 15 13:54
according to google, you are correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 13:54
I thought I remembered it as that from school days
Though, sadly it is my last holiday until Memorial Day :(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 15 13:55
Yeag Lincoln’s is what next week I think?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 13:55
Gonna be a long drought
Yea I think you're right, 20th or somethin
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 15 13:59
looks to have grav-chutes and maybe an autocannon or something?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 14:18
I'm interested in those 2 admech Combat Arena models.
Is that a new -Plastic- tech priest?!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 15 14:30
looks like it. The Rogue Trader is nice as well.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 14:48
Hot damn, glad I didn't buy any of the metal tech priests.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 14:53

new Servitor model. Nice. I take 15 pls.

Also, that Tech.Priest dude seems to have an Omnispex and an Arc Pistol. Terrible loadout.
You can literally see the amalgamation of bits they shoved together from different existing kits to create that dude..

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 14:54
idc. I have plenty of pistol bits.
I just needed a tech priest base to work from that wasn't the dominus model.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 14:55

Electropriest feet, lower body and that thing around his neck
Skitarii Ranger Hood
Reposed Skitarii Mechanised Arm
few new bits for bling
pretty low effort, c+

Yeah, more options is alwasy great

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 14:55
I'll take 2 of those, an assload of the servitors (though not really, that servitor model would not be cost effective sadly), and I still need 2 of the KT boxes for admech
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 14:57
not only expensive, but very static in pose it looks like
definately not a model to want more of
but that could mean with just some reposing they put out a servitor kit, now that they are useful as spare parts/elite slot fillers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 14:57
now that'd be nice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 14:58
I'm just about to get me a few guardsmen and splonk some kataphron heads and melee arms on them
but if that is on he horizon I can hold back easily and work on my backlog..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 14:59
Right, I was looking at the 3rd party sculpts for a couple engiseers, but I'll wait for this and grab 2 from ebay
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 15:00
think it's a named character or gets the Shhh-priest treatment?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 15:00
in the context of combat arena, it has a name
I imagine he might have one in 40k too. But since I plan to re-do his armement, I have no problem calling him a normal engiseer :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 15:15
im just thinking.. with that loadout, what role could he play?
Anti-Vehicle pistol that will literally do nothing while he ignores the cover of the vehicle he shoots at the vehicle doesnt even get in the first place?
It just seems very, very weird
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 15:16
It's made for a 1v1 combat fight, not vs vehicles
just so happens to be a plastic version of a model for 40k as well :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 15:17
yeah, but he needs 40k rules for that is what im gunning at :P Cause itcannot replace any current model with the gear it has and in 40k terms it does not make any sense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 15:18
True, but I don't think these were designed with 40k in mind? I think the 40k rules they give are kind of a bonus.
Or it could be just a straight up engiseer datasheet but the kit doesn't have alternate bits
Necron Lord/Overlord/Cryptek is like that.
Or they could do us a hekkin and give us all the option bits too.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 15:31
looking at the kit.. I don't see them doing it. Thing is as low of an effort as they could feasible put into it.
So I actually think the guy will not get separate 40k rules like Shhh does. Which is a weird business decision, but hey...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 15:34
Which, w/e - i'm not looking for another new datasheet
I just want the model as an engiseer :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 15 16:40
I just want something OTHER than enginseers which, honestly, are just a clutch for the 1-HQ-Syndrome AdMech has/had
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 15 16:43
I got a set of Myrmidon Secutors to convert into Priests/Seers
Oh yeah hey everybody. Back from LVO, but not the creeping death I think several of us picked up on the plane
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:48
something something long silver tube of nurgle?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:48
Mmm air travel in a sardine can.
Gotta love it. I used to take a puddle jumper from QC Iowa to Minneapolis for work once a month-ish
got sick once a month-ish.
Which was usually an Embraer 145. 1 Row<->2 Rows, not a tall enough cabin for a normal sized man to even stand up straight in.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:50
I'm liking the new combat arena thing
and might actually pick up the ambull kit, for use with the genestealer infestation rules from vigilus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:51
Can the ambull even be used with an army?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:51
we tried that modifier once and it was crazy good fun
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:51
Or is it narrative/open
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:51
its unaligned, so yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:51
oh nice
well, unaligned, does that break chapter tactics?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:52
possibly? I was going to stuff it in an aux anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:52
Ah yea, didn't think of that.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:52
same issues as spindle drones
but a lobo-chipped ambull/ambots seem like a fun thing for an inquisition army to be using
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 15 16:53
No one expects the Ambot Inquisition!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:53
but on the subject of the infestation war zone, try it, it is hellishly fun and adds a nice extra wrench to things
tbh I've been having lots of fun with cities of death narrative bits
@DrTobogganMD was it you or gen who was looking into getting cards of the tactics printed?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:56
yea that was me, before like 50 other things creeped up and I've not done shit.
I need to get making a template so I can make those.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:56
well, good I suppose since the cityfight stuff from CA 2018 and some of the vigilus warzone ones would be great to add
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:56
hahah, fair enough
I can add it to the list.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:57
cityfight/planetstrike/SHA/battlezone specifics
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:57
GW would make money selling stickers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:57
since I find myself more and more running narrative rules but with points and having a blast
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:57
to fix strat cards :/
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:57
its funny
I can go up to regulars and suggest narrative with points and most are all for it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:58
Cause it's just a fun game with a bit of structure with it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:58
terrain matters again, you can use battlezones to add twists that make things interesting without resorting to maelstrom
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 16:59
I like narrative but am shit at creative, so it's hard for me to make something fun list-wise without either PL or points to build around.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 16:59
the CA 2018 eternal war missions with cityfight rules and a battlezone are probably the best way to enjoy the game right now
cityfight makes the terrain a huge factor again, and battlezones add the twist
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 17:03
Does city fight use the destructable buildings from like7e?
That was always annoying to play with, but I loved mysterious objectives and the like
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 17:03
no, you can set things on fire though so they become dangerous terrain
well, fire/demolitions
building stays, but becomes dangerous
its worth taking a read
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 17:04
ah see that's fine. I had a hard enough time agreeing with what cover and ruins were in 7, adding building damage was just too much for me.
Yea I should, that sounds fun
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 17:04
hard cover/soft cover and vertical positions mattering help make the game feel more interesting and three-dimensional
Those models look fantastic
Love that Crusader and Primaris Psyker
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 17:38
mmyup
and the plastic engiseer sculpt finally :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 17:55
I mean, there's been a plastic enginseer for a while since he was broken out from the guard box
but the one in that Com Arena box looks awesome anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 17:56
That's true, I didn't think about the AM one. I'm looking forward to the Com Arena one being cheaper than 30 though too.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 17:56
that primaris psyker and crusader though, oooe
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 15 17:57
Right?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 17:57
considering I'm starting inquisitorial house troops out of van saars, this couldn't come at a better time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 18:18
#4611 sigh
I suppose it had to come along sometime.
Easy enough for me to implement in Necrons, but it would be a massive pain for larger cats.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 18:20
"won'tfix"
simply too burdensome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 18:20
burdensome yes ... but absolutely legal for matched/tournaments
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 18:20
and creates a fuckload of validation problems and potenial bugs, when there is already an end-run
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 18:21
I suppose we could add a shared rule to the Aux Detachment though
explaining how to mannually remove things
and that the error will stay.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 18:22
that I'm in favor of
its not clean
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 18:22
Cause I agree, it would cause nothing but issues
but it is a legal possibility
But a notice/rule would be a good compromise I think
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 18:22
but at least it gives us a space to say "hay, we didn't implement this because it's a gigantic pain in the ass, do this instead"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 18:24
Rule: "Under-strength Units (How-To)"
Description: In an Auxiliary Support Detachment, you are allowed to have a single unit with any number of models, even below the minimum size. Due to Battlescribe constraints, we cannot do this without showing an error. You can manually remove the excess models by opening the context menu (Either right click or hold finger down) and removing the extra models. The points will calculate correctly, but there will perpetually be an error.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 19:13
#4612 - I'm fairly sure this came up on another unit at some point, anyone recall? An item is listed as wargear in the points table, with points - but the unit only has that listed in the abilities, not as wargear.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 19:15
it pays the points and treats it as default gear
hemlocks with spirit stones in the index, a couple other cases
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 19:20
Yea, I know it does, I just remember I knew that because another case of that came up
just couldn't remember what
Thankya!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 19:54
... The rogue Trader model in Com Arena
There's a servo skull reloading the revolver.
That's awesome
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 15 20:59
So...I ended the 2018 season as the #25 Guard Player in the world. Not too shabby!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 21:06
I mean. Could've been #24
:p - Not a bad accomplishment for the year!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 22:11
well, it was a pain, but I have converted the "combat loadout" version of my inqusitor
van saar body, plasma pistol, then stole a jetseer's witchblade (force sword) and a dire avenger's shimmershield
because ordo xenos
nothing like killing the alien with their own tech
inquisitor actually functions on the tabletop as: inqusitor, psyker, plasma pistol, force sword. Hero (4): Toughened Armor, Resilient, Hard to kill, Master of Lore.
depending on how things play out I might drop resilient and just keep hard to kill, and grab something else instead
not the permanent head, just a blue-tacked placeholder since I'm going to use a FW head and 'tail' I like much better
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 23:06
So. in regards to #4607 would anyone have much gripe with me moving it to a GST SSEG? just so that if you select it in either a FW OR a SM detachment it affects all nested forces?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 23:07
So to do a FW Chapter they have to choose a bunk GW chapter because the FW chapters aren't in SM?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 15 23:17
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There - that's as much as we can feasibly do for #4611
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 15 23:36
you'll see when I'm done
it'll also allow me to validate for successors of SM (aka no chapter specific relics and other unfixed RAW oddities)