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16th
Feb 2019
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 16 00:09
Oh nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 01:08
what do you think of the conversion?
I'm pretty happy with the joins, clean and should look seamless
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 16 05:24
Hmm?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 06:02
the images I linked
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 16 06:04
Wait is that sword jacked into his head? Cause that's an awesome way to power a power sword
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 09:22
"Hnnnngh... must... do... integral calculus.... need sword... to slice.... remember... the 11952 base rules of administratum... #1 Paperwork is love, paperwork is live... #2...."
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 14:45
nope, that’s justa van saar head tail thing. also its a witchblade
head is temporary with blutack because I’m going to use one of the less fugly FW heads
also that’s the female VS body, since the
inquisitor model I have and plan to use for the alternate version is a female sculpt (ArtelW’s distaff model)
interesting
Seems like more white dwarf business
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:22
pick and choose an assassin?
Currently if I'm not wrong including a single one costs 1 CP anyway... so... yeah, why the fuck not?
also, CP generation? Dude!
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 18:26
i was about to post that here, too lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:28
not sure if I like the sometimes heftiy point increases, but the ability to pick and choose, generate CP and a new selection of sometimes swifty stratagems... as an owner of 1 assassin each I like this, though I didn't really understand everything beside on a surface level
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:28
That requisition is pretty sick
Still gotta pay reinforcement points too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:30
yeah no FREE assassin.
But just imagine - bringing a culexus and the opponent didnt bring a psyker.
Or a vindicare and there is nothing important to snipe.
Just switch in for an eversor or an callidus...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:30
Yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:30
and a vindicare headshotting something ... I fought celestine today and that bitch just DID NOT DIE
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:30
Just always have 85pt free
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:30
vindicare could alleviate that problem
makes them very flexible and a good add to any imperial army basically that wants to fill some gaps.. and some of those strats (having an eversor fight again e.g.) sound like an awful lot of fun to do
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:33
its basically "hmm, which assassin do I need for this"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:35
exactly, which helps with said basic problem of ass
I honestly see me preparing that 85 pts and a cp for literally any list if I can fit it in in any way right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:36
Question though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:36
not sure if a 15 pts increase is warranted on eversor/callidus though... but point normalisation is required for that to work
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:36
Don’t you need to have an assassin to take assassin strats?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:36
you add it pre-game and when the time comes, you have one, no?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:36
RAW yes, which is where it falls flat, RAI is pretty clear
I expect an FAQ/something fairly shortly after to fix that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:38
on the bottom of the first screen you can read a paragraph where it does grant you permission to use them... requirement is Imperium and Battleforged
so in theory every Imperium army can use them, but since no target is there to use them ON, noone would consider them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:38
So strictly RAW it only works for adding a second+ assassin
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:38
mind you, you could always just bring a callidus in an aux detach and spare another 85
@Thairne ah, good catch
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:39
Mmmm double kill
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:39
so basically any imperium list worth talking about now is (list value)-85pts and keeps a CP free
headshot is nuts
no more vindicare performance failure
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:39
well you can still miss
but it adds a safety net
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:40
it means if the D3 fails to kill them, you get a chance to MW them to death
means even bobby G has to fear the vindicare now
plink > mw > mw > mw until failed or dead
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:41
Well no
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:41
yeah, but you still have to hit and wound
which, albeit likely, is far from guaranteed
you still can whiff or fail to wound
it DOES help with the D3 dmg
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:41
Double kill says different target
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:42
maximum possible is 6 damage still, but unlike before the extra 3 are more consistent and are MWs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:42
still good, all you need to do is have 2 targetable characters
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:42
Ohhhh
Headshot
Mmmmmm
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:42
turbo-pen showing up again is nice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:42
well actually max possible is 9 now :P Since a wound of 6+ causes D6 + Headshot
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:42
nope
wound of 6+ on exitus is gone
oh wait
deadshot
ouch
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:43
xactly
still there
so on a good roll, he can oneshot bobby lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:43
can 1shot a chappy dreadnought
bang, 6 > 3mw
that's pretty nasty
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:44
That’s pretty fucking brutal
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:44
means even for morty and magnus with fnps they fear the sniper
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:44
S5 only tho and a pretty unlikely roll of events
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:44
I love it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:45
I'll stuff these in when I do the marine chapter fuckery later
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:45
i need more assassins, not sure if 4 is enough xD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:46
And vindicare not giving 2 rats asses about holofields/flip belts/any eldar trickery if he stands still
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:46
that I really likey
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:46
also, eversor is fucking metal
4+ fnp and fight twice? yikes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:46
Jebus
Mmmmm
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:47
actually that makes the eversor's max possible killcount 24
6 attacks, fight twice, each kill generates another attack
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:47
and you can fnp the wound from fighting twice xD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:47
I might have to work assassins into my Elysian lists now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:47
whoops
sorry, max killcount is 32
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:48
I already like the culexus already
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:48
forgot the charge bonus
so an eversor can kill an entire conscript unit on the charge
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:48
have a gunline? Fight harlequins? They wtfcharged you all in T2?
Worry not, they now all fight LAST
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:48
if he fights twice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:48
have fun killing slinky elves!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:49
seriously
32 kills from one blender on legs
can anything else in the game actually match that?
even knights?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:49
not likely
but that is a max and not an average :P
at a certain point morale would take care of the rest anyway
and.. honstely, with the image of an eversor doing that I can'T fault them
Eversor Madness.jpg
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:52
I mean, on average... eversor will blend.... 19 guardsmen from fighting twice?
that's still nuts
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:53
and then consolidate onto the next unit :D
D3 damage on the cullexus... I start to like that guy even more now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:54
can we take a moment to appreciate that with strat boost the culexus has a potentially assault D6 Str 5 ap -4 D D3 weapon?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:55
*laughs in imperial
I still really like the countercharge strat
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:56
soul horror is pretty mean
supreme disdain is a neat one that I suspect might show up in tournament play
because two rounds of "pay more CP or your shit fails" is nasty
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 18:57
not that nice in a friendly game though, but yeah, in a bring it on environment... that shit is massive
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:59
I'll have to put a vindicare, eversor, and callidus on my "to get" list
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 18:59
The Strat only once per phase thing is matched play, right?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 18:59
yes
what evil are you cooking?
endlessly fighting eversor?
I mean
that's a hilarious thought
"my eversor charges, I have 14 CP left, he will fight 8 times"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 19:00
CP Machine vindicare? Shoot - kill - generate - shoot again - kill - generate...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 19:00
^this
I have a harlequin player I know
2-3 vindicares
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 19:01
even with that limitation, in theory you can generate 2 CPs a turn as long as there are characters... xD
bonkers
simply bonkers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 19:01
well, generate 1
it costs 1 generates 2
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 19:02
All using double kill and priority threat
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 19:02
thats my thought
heck, I might even take all 4 and GAIN a CP from it xD
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 19:33
hm
Should we create an SEG in the GST "Stratagem: Operative Aquisition Sanctioned" or something of the likes that costs 85 points and a CP to make listbuilding easier?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 19:50
eh
I’ll think about it
need to consider the ramifications that might have on chaos
Tbh I’d be more inclined to make a new force type called “reinforcement allocation” that people can use for daemons/assassins/nids/etc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 19:54
why should chaos be bothered?
Dont link it in Chaos cats... only imperium can use it?
Generalising would be good though. You'd still need to select something to reserve the points... but that could be a generic entry with "pts" as a selection where 1 pts costs 1 pts. Heh.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 19:55
Thats the idea essentially
Force with no selection limitations that can be used for reserving for specific stuff, or strats
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 19:56
wouldnt a simply no force org SEG be enough though?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 16 20:02
?
grafik.png
and with BS Pro you can customize the name to specify exactly what it is you reserve it for :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 21:08
true, but say for example you summon a unit with options, in an aux support style reserve force, you can edit as normal and just leave it there for reference during the game
example summoning a block of horrors with an instrument vs not
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 22:44
I hate all of you
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 16 23:48
fucking hell, that is hillarious
i'm actually crying
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 23:54
;)