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6th
Mar 2019
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 12:40
malefic discipline as well now
https://i.redd.it/i8og8r3j8ek21.jpg
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:32
Don't you mean "MEH-lefic discipline"?
Because it's very "meh"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:37
idk
the full reroll on oblits is pretty tasty
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:38
I already hated oblits before this box set :/
I will hate them even more
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:39
Sure. Couple it with Slaanesh Shoot Twice and that's...pretty good?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:39
Chaos and marines now get to do the eldar thing
just with considerably more expensive psykers
since marines got the extra move thing and other powers similar to RoB with obscurus, and chaos got some interesting buffs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:40
And it's still more than other armies get.
Which is nothing
So quite literally .. that's something.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:41
I copuld actually see vanguard marines getting decently scary
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:42
Oh nevermind. It's re-roll 1s
Booooooo
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:43
on D3sa
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:43
I love the Possession power. Send your squishy sorc to kill a marine character, maybe get a greater possessed. What could possibly go wrong?
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe rolls his eyes.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:44
you missed the "guarnteed explodes"
send your sorc to kill a knight that has 1w left
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:44
As a knight player - I hate eversor.
just putting it out there.
So garaunteed explodes. It's nice.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:44
Oh yes. Because that's what you want, your squishy sorc to be at ground zero when the knight explodes.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:44
the sorc IGNORES THE MW
read it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:45
Oh well then that's...okay
You still have to get the sorc there and then do an actual wound to a knight
GLWT
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:46
again, it's not an easy strategy, and requires other moving parts
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:46
Man, y'all remember when psychic powers used to actually kick ass?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:46
Nope
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:46
but it is an interesting mechanic because there are other interesting uses for it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:46
but for a different reason ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:46
like say, a rhino or other light vehicle parked in among a mass of other enemy units
you just generated a ton of mw on those units by forcing the boom
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:47
What I wouldn't give for the good ol' Invis-Veil of Time-Electrodisplaceent combo
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:47
you mean broken game-twisting brokenness?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:47
Yes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:47
I'm glad that will never (hopefully) come back
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:47
That.
Since GSC get something akin to all of those things.
Well, maybe not Invis
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:48
I'd see that come out during games and just stop having any sort of fun
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:48
And maybe not a full re-roll on FNP
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:48
GSC have some serious limitations, they can do close-range alpha, but that's because 90% of thier units die to a stiff breeze, and they don't have some of the usual heavy to back it up
also Auspex Scan and similar things now exist to discourage GSC from putting all the eggs in one basket
I've already had the joy of agressoring some alpha-flamer acolytes out of existance that way
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:51
I've only played against the new GSC once, and I beat that ass like a drum -- but it was the player's second full game with them, so it doesn't really count
GSC really don't like Vulture Punishers.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 19:51
lmao
That's a new one
Beat that ass like a drum
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe takes a bow
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:52
You're welcome
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:52
GSC are in an interesting place
fun army, but very much skill required in list build and use
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:53
IF you can put all the parts in the right place and get everything to work right, they're pretty jacked up
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:53
that's GSC in a nutshell
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:53
They reward smart play, but boy do they punish mistakes. Hard.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:53
all according to plan. or "Not as planned! Not as planned!"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:54
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GSC has a mountain of bullshit
Like...for realz, playa
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:55
yep
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:55
I feel about them how I feel about your average Tauhard
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:55
they're also pretty good for fielding a chaos cultist type army, or a civilian militia
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:56
It's for players that don't want to win with strategy and tactics, but rather with bamboozling and gotcha moments
It's the kind of army I despise
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:56
I disagree
the gothca strats are there to pull your ass out the fire when things go "not as planned"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:57
They also encourage Tryhardism
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:57
maybe in your local
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 19:57
There's one asshat I know that is bound and determined to say that GSC can derp strike T1
And that because of the wording can place a Goliath outside of DZ from blip (granted, only the length of the body, but still)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 19:58
RAW yes, but only a very specific set of units, and only a couple of them, with additional restrictions and they can't be targeted by certain other strats because of wording interactions. So yes you can, but its not actually useful
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 20:00
And let's not even go in to the unbelievable bullshit of Mental Onslaught
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 20:00
that got FAQd already
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 20:00
Unbelievable Bullshit.gif
No, it didn't. It was, then it wasn't.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 20:21
yet you want unbelieveable bullshit for SW
talk about double standards!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 20:27
Welcome to 40k :p
No amount of models/new rules will ever keep CSM happy
and we all love when we get neat powerful shit but then every other faction player decries bs
the endless cycle of trying to balance so many damned armies without making everything the same.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 20:43
sounds good ot me, I don't play enough games to know much about baalnce
my win rate is 37% since I started recording my games - when I started collecting Deathwatch about 2 years ago
I've played 41 games
(I need to play more...)
and that's across WH40K and Kill Team, so, that's not even 41 nights out
that point is, if a game is unbalanced but fun, that's OK
it's all about the fun aspect :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 20:48
hey i played knights before it was a good idea because giant robots rock :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 20:51
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 20:51
My favorite games were losses in which IKs blew up spectacularly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 20:56
hahhaahah!!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 21:02
I still remember one game where my knights ventured too close to each other and Self-Destruct Dominoed into each other, D hit after D hit from fellow knights. It was glorious.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 21:04
wow! that sounds... uncomfortable
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 21:05
And everyone complained that D was unfair to them
I did them a favor
and only used it on my self
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 21:09
perfect!!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 21:21
I discovered my old apartment table is 42"x42"
perfect for KT
and Necromunda
now I just need enough terrain and scatter
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 06 21:30
oh nice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 21:47
perfect
in other news, how effective are cyclone missile launchers?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 21:52
I mean, about as effective as any other missile launcher
But it can move and shoot without penality
Assuming it's on a terminator?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 21:53
yeah, terminator
although, still Heavy, so, still -1..??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 21:54
Nope
Termies move and shoot heavy w/o penalty
...can't they? They used to be able to
I haven't put a termie on a tabletop in 8th
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 21:55
not anymore they can't
one of 8th's biggest fuckups
at my local we retain that they can, but they still aren't great
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 21:55
righto, good thoughts all round :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 21:56
the frag missiles from it are 2d3 for some reason
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 21:56
I found a classic terminator with a missile launcher - just wondering if it is worth keeping him or putting him on eBay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 21:56
cyclone frags are 2d6
the 2d3 is a typo
Cyclones are most useful for DW, since the terminator keeps the SIA stormbolter
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 21:57
how can you tell it's a typo?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 21:57
because its 2d6 other places and got FAQ'd?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 21:57
not for BA it didnt
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 21:58
ripperonis
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 22:01
(goes hunting for FAQ)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 22:07
where is it 2D6, and where did it get FAQ'd...?? It's 2D3 in both DW and DA codex, and not mentioned in either FAQ's... :frowning:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 22:11
Hmmmm
Does anyone have an updated MEGA list?
I'm looking for Titanfall
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 22:30
if anyone's interested, the Crimson Fists Upgrade Sprue is on last chance to buy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 06 22:38
Oh those things were all terrible
Old AF
Also sold out stateside
That's The one i use