These are chat archives for CommonGarden/Grow-IoT

23rd
Jun 2016
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 00:40
We need a rules engine... this looks cool: https://github.com/mithunsatheesh/node-rules
This also has potential: https://atmospherejs.com/cwohlman/rules
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 00:57

I like node rules better though.

This also has potential: https://atmospherejs.com/cwohlman/rules

C360-Data-Hub
@EdwardKepler
Jun 23 2016 03:00
@JakeHartnell Great Work
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 03:02
: ) Thanks!
C360-Data-Hub
@EdwardKepler
Jun 23 2016 03:09
I have question. Any thoughts on an easy way to connect a pi and devices to a users wifi. Prefer using phone with non tech user and not council. We turn pi into hotspot and had user login to hotspot and then pass the wifi credentials via webpage. kinda worked, any thoughts
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 06:28
Um. Particle?
I just gone mine and it's genius
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 17:56
I have question. Any thoughts on an easy way to connect a pi and devices to a users wifi. Prefer using phone with non tech user and not council. We turn pi into hotspot and had user login to hotspot and then pass the wifi credentials via webpage. kinda worked, any thoughts
This is a significant usability problem in IoT. Configuring devices is a pain.
Unfortunately, this is a big task made more complicated by the wide array of devices that exist. We're going to be working on this part when we start working on a beta...
Ideally, the PI 3 has bluetooth and wifi, so we'd use bluetooth for device configuration and wifi for constant connection. The advantage of using bluetooth over the pi hosting a wifi access point is that the user can configure the device without ever having to leave the app and change wifi networks...
Um. Particle?
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 18:02
Yes, some devices like particle offer a bunch of utilities you can use for this, but there are tradeoffs... you have to use their APIs and go through their servers. Though you can still use Grow-IoT.
Does that all make sense? Device configuration is a big topic. We need better open source solutions.
C360-Data-Hub
@EdwardKepler
Jun 23 2016 20:17
@JakeHartnell
Absolutely, It is a hard problem
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 20:21
I think it's more the users than the hardware being difficult. I have seen full degreed folk straight out of 4 year universities with the computer skills of a chimp..... Hell the chimps are superior
Also everyone and their mom is making an IoT company, hell I probably will here soon with all the disgustingly terribly designed cannabis systems people who never grew Cannabis designed.
Its like the little closet for them I saw awhile back, that used proprietary Nutrient Cartridge refills
WHO WANTS TO GO BACK TO PRINTERS IN 1999????
With their nutrients.....
I will tell you why IoT sucks right now, Greed.
Human, Greed.
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 20:26
everyone wants some of the freshly printed toilet paper Dollars from a Venture Fund.
and to be a Unicorn
and have a Billion + valuation....those days are going bye bye
Over inflated valuations of Javascript apps is literally the biggest bubble I have been waiting half a decade now to short
and I will short it ALL to oblivion in the crash, Uber, AirbNb, Lyft
all of the darlings valued at billions with zero revenue, who continually raise new seed rounds to not have to post Revenue
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:03
Yep, and Common Garden is broke because they want the next facebook, the next IoT unicorn, and words like "open source" scare them. : / Have they never read Yochai Benkler, or works on behavioral economics and game theory? I wonder.
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:04
Well, we can change the being broke thing if you really want to.....
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:04
Yeah, that would be nice. : )
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:04
I have people trying to toss me money for cannabis industry stuff....
I have a single partner in production industry, and the same partner and one other developer for IoT stuff based on the production
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:07
Cool! I've got to get going but it would be good to talk more about this. I have very talented developer / designer friends that want to work on this project... but everyone needs to pay rent. Email me a good time and we can do a video chat! jake@commongarden.org
If we can pay UC Berkeley electrical engineering and computer science phds as contractors, things can start moving much more quickly. : )
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:07
Partner is more business development, he is Harvard Psychology and Political Science grad, I lucked out finding him from running the bitoin ATM I did.
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:08
Nice, it's good to have that.
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:08
And putting it in one of his Game stores before I sold out, and then he did as well to do this.
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:08
: )
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:08
See rent....sigh. Where are you, California?
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:08
Yep, Berkeley.
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:08
I have paid for homes....but they are in the Midwest.
Jake Hartnell
@JakeHartnell
Jun 23 2016 23:09
Hah, yeah, homes are a LOT cheaper in the midwest.
Anyway, shoot me a good time to talk tomorrow.
Going to a javascript meetup!
Josh Fisher
@cloudzombie
Jun 23 2016 23:10
Yes, I bought alot of them over years, there. Nice! I am doing an IoT meetup later
Developer partner is doing a talk there