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Curation Markets Discussions: From Token-Curated Registries to Bonding Curves.

Francesco 🍫

@gamarantor_twitter

Hey everyone :wave:

I'm preparing a pitch deck on a bonding curve Dapp, any images I can use? (with a credit to the author of course)

billy rennekamp

@okwme

If anyone's in Berlin next week come by the Token Engineering Meetup to get a walkthrough of using blockscience's token modeling software cadCAD in use on the game economy of Clovers

https://twitter.com/billyrennekamp/status/1142508932075798535

snaketh4x0r

@snaketh4x0r

@okwme will you have a recording

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

The latest article from the Commons Stack covers Conviction Voting, a novel continuous voting governance mechanism:

https://medium.com/giveth/conviction-voting-a-novel-continuous-decision-making-alternative-to-governance-aa746cfb9475

Enjoy! =)

Ghost

@ghost~5d23ce2fd73408ce4fc592e5

hi I just I was reading about currating market and was thinking about why I would buy a currating market token. What are the incentives for me. And the base layer incentive I found is that a cuurating-token gives me the ability to push the attention of people into a direction i want.
on top of this base layer incentive I can build token ecenomics around the curration-token to further incentivise people currating (in a certain way/manipulating).
If I am interested in a project I share my attention for free. Nobody has to give me money to post interesting stuff in the correct category. But now there is a trust issue. It’s about reputation who to trust. The higher the Reputation of a project member the higher the attention for the post.
with currating-token I can buy my reputation
but then i can also lose money if I don't act in the token-ecenomic model.
it is a similar game like the google algorithm, but now there are multipile options not just one and its open source.

Seena Z

@craze3

Hey @simondlr are you still active on here? I just discovered this concept and I'm planning on developing a similar prototype 😃

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

@snaketh4x0r here is the recording of Billy's talk - it was a great one! Worth a watch for sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eg360OC6Qg&amp=&feature=youtu.be

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

@MouyouMoos The benefit of a curation market is that information curation happens in a decentralized manner, without centralization by any one party determining what you as an information consumer gets to see. There are still issues of plutocracy (i.e. impact of wealth in voting) and properly working reputation networks that need to be resolved, although there are lots of projects (BrightID, iden3, uport, etc) and mechanisms (quadratic voting, etc) in the works to address these issues.

Simon de la Rouviere

@simondlr

@craze3 definitely still here. Looking forward to a prototype! :)

Seena Z

@craze3

@simondlr I just submitted https://blockspy.net and https://healthprices.net to the ConsenSys/Gitcoin hackathon, but I'm about to start on it soon !

(The competition just ended last night)

Wade kimbrough

@Wadekimbrough_twitter

Hey everyone. I just wrote a medium about using Re-Fungible tokens in collectible card games. I would love some feedback! https://medium.com/@wadekimbrough/re-fungible-tokens-in-collectible-card-games-73a61703226f?sk=4b5b1844e0c51f3b0a07328970658060

also @okwme thanks for giving me some feedback already!

Seena Z

@craze3

Can bonding curves have unlimited token supply ?

How do I determine a good starting price?

Seena Z

@craze3

What is an acceptable spread (aka % fee) for token bonding curves that have different ins/outs ?

Simon de la Rouviere

@simondlr

They can have a limited supply (after which the price discovery & liquidity would graduate to secondary markets). Not entirely sure if this is meaningful though. Depends on the context.

How do I determine a good starting price?

This is hard/tough to determine, depending on the use case of the token.

What is an acceptable spread (aka % fee) for token bonding curves that have different ins/outs ?

This is also uncertain, depending on your use-case. @AchillRudolph_twitter has done some work on spreads before with convergent. Not sure if they have information to help.

Griff Green

@GriffGreen

Yeah, its tough @craze3 ... the systems are too complex! There are just too many dynamic relationships between the many variables for each use case... I'm hoping we can open source cadCAD and start building some TBC system models to use simulations to parameterize each system's specific use... and even that will probably not work that well until we have a few feedback loops

Seena Z

@craze3

Thanks for replies @simondlr @GriffGreen ... Reading this article helped me understand things alot better: https://yos.io/2018/11/10/bonding-curves/ Their example smart contract was especially helpful, although I still don't understand "the bancor formula." Anyone got a TL;DR ? :sweat_smile:

Can I still deploy a simple, x², bonding curve using bancor formula ?

Seena Z

@craze3

That's what i'm after

billy rennekamp

@okwme

hey @craze3 i agree the bancor curve is unintuitive. i suggest you think about the curve in terms of slope but convert it to a bancor curve when you're ready to use it. to do so you can check out this article: https://medium.com/@billyrennekamp/converting-between-bancor-and-bonding-curve-price-formulas-9c11309062f5

Devon Krantz

@Devkrz_twitter

It's the Curation Markets call tomorrow at 19h00 CEST - you can sign up here if you havent already (https://forms.gle/HNnrU8Yf82wX7PLi8) This month our presentations will be from Luke Duncan & Cem Dagdelen from the Aragon Black team on how the Aragon Fundraising is Progressing as well as a presentation on available bonding curve tools by Tom St Laurent. There will be time at the end for an open Q&A session or open discussion with the presenters :)

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

New article coming out from the Commons Stack & BlockScience on 🤯 new decision-support technology: Computer-Aided Governance.

"The Commons Stack proposes to improve our current governance systems by creating tools to model and test policy outcomes, so that participants have better information and make the best possible decisions. "

https://twitter.com/commonsstack/status/1159386074231300096

Please like, share, read & enjoy! 🌱🌎🚀

Devon Krantz

@Devkrz_twitter

Paul Kohlhaas will be presenting on some of the legal implications of bonding curves in relation to our work at molecule.to in 30 mins time if any of you are interested in joining :) -> https://twitter.com/Molecule_to/status/1159446944370036736?s=20

Stephen Young

@stephen_yo_twitter

@Devkrz_twitter do you have a video of the call yesterday? Was in bed with the flu so I missed it

Elad Verbin

@eladve

I've written down some suggested research questions on bonding curves and other automatic-market-makers. Would love any feedback!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VU_SePT-GT0vEYkhQiqLTcrcq4OIh5zYdg-5H6IDt24/edit#

(feel free to leave feedback directly on the document, or to email me at elad.verbin@gmail.com )

Specifically, I'd like to know whether these questions are interesting, and whether any answers are already known.
Also, are there any automatic market making mechanisms known in the literature, except bonding curves?

Elad Verbin

@eladve

Does anyone here have in-depth knowledge of Mathematical Finance? I'm trying to formally prove mathematical properties of Bonding Curves (see link above). I'm making some progress, but my understanding of mathematical finance only goes so far. Would love to get some help on finding the right definitions for properties, etc

Thibauld Favre

@thibauld

Hey Elad 👋 You should really get in touch with Michael Zargham (https://twitter.com/mzargham) he's also working on the topic but, instead of applying traditional mathematical finance to Bonding Curves, he's using methods issued from complex systems (that he used to use in robotics) with great results! He's in Berlin for the BBW so you have no reason not to chat :)

Thibauld Favre

@thibauld

(goes without saying but obviously I'd be happy to put you in touch with him if you'd like me to)

Elad Verbin

@eladve

Thanks @thibauld ! I caught up with Michael here, and will run this by him.
Are you in Blockchain Week by any chance?

Seena Z

@craze3

Not sure who launched this on PH today, but thought you would like it @simondlr :) https://artee.ai/?ref=producthunt

AI generated Tshirt shop

I feel like I could improve on this model alot and make it something people want to partake in... Any ideas on what it would take? :sweat_smile:

Jesse B Miller

@jessebmiller_twitter

TCG cards, RPG Spells/Feats/classes, FPS guns/abilities, video game levels/characters. In general, metadata for metadata driven systems.

@craze3

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

Hey everybody, if you weren't able to catch the Commons Stack presentations at Berlin Blockchain Week, this is a good catch up on our application of Token Engineering to design the Augmented Bonding Curve as a continuous funding mechanism for communities and open source projects:

https://medium.com/giveth/the-commons-stack-scaling-the-commons-to-re-prioritize-people-and-the-planet-fdc076aec4eb

Paul Kohlhaas

@paulkhls_twitter

Curation markets call is about to kick-off if anyone's around! Commons Stack, Molecule and Elad Verbin on mathematical models for bonding curves will be presenting!

https://linumlabs.zoom.us/j/794105212

Darrell Duane

@DarrellDuane

https://commonsengine.org/workshop/?fbclid=IwAR1GutlDjfP79-Eb5WQq3nI1-3-yCrlKKU6QEtjoZkquXSOASAcJAWoXCko i plan to join this..anyone else interested?

AndreasS2501

@AndreasS2501

Hello everyone!

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

Hey @AndreasS2501 !

@DarrellDuane Curious to hear all about it!

If anyone here hasn't heard about the Trusted Seed that was just launched by the Commons Stack, this article about healthy initialization conditions for DAOs is worth a read (and an application!):

https://medium.com/giveth/the-trusted-seed-of-the-commons-stack-5af6fb04cd30

Have a good weekend, all!

jeffemmett

@jeffemmett_twitter

Another article out from the Commons Stack, on the tools of Token Engineering and a community invitation! Claps always welcome =)

As #TokenEngineers, we have a professional social responsibility to ensure the safety of those using permissionless public infrastructure. This is why we supported the open sourcing of #cadCAD and invite you to create the first continuously funded cyber-physical commons: the Token Engineering Commons

https://medium.com/commonsstack/establishing-open-token-engineering-tools-standards-9584b40dfe30

Kevin

@k21k

I have talked about bonding curves to senior execs at Bitgo, Block.One and Fenbushi. They all like the concept

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