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    Simon de la Rouviere
    @simondlr
    @craze3 definitely still here. Looking forward to a prototype! :)
    Seena Z
    @craze3
    @simondlr I just submitted https://blockspy.net and https://healthprices.net to the ConsenSys/Gitcoin hackathon, but I'm about to start on it soon !
    (The competition just ended last night)
    Wade kimbrough
    @Wadekimbrough_twitter
    Hey everyone. I just wrote a medium about using Re-Fungible tokens in collectible card games. I would love some feedback! https://medium.com/@wadekimbrough/re-fungible-tokens-in-collectible-card-games-73a61703226f?sk=4b5b1844e0c51f3b0a07328970658060
    also @okwme thanks for giving me some feedback already!
    Seena Z
    @craze3
    Can bonding curves have unlimited token supply ?
    How do I determine a good starting price?
    Seena Z
    @craze3
    What is an acceptable spread (aka % fee) for token bonding curves that have different ins/outs ?
    Simon de la Rouviere
    @simondlr

    They can have a limited supply (after which the price discovery & liquidity would graduate to secondary markets). Not entirely sure if this is meaningful though. Depends on the context.

    How do I determine a good starting price?

    This is hard/tough to determine, depending on the use case of the token.

    What is an acceptable spread (aka % fee) for token bonding curves that have different ins/outs ?

    This is also uncertain, depending on your use-case. @AchillRudolph_twitter has done some work on spreads before with convergent. Not sure if they have information to help.

    Griff Green
    @GriffGreen
    Yeah, its tough @craze3 ... the systems are too complex! There are just too many dynamic relationships between the many variables for each use case... I'm hoping we can open source cadCAD and start building some TBC system models to use simulations to parameterize each system's specific use... and even that will probably not work that well until we have a few feedback loops
    Seena Z
    @craze3
    Thanks for replies @simondlr @GriffGreen ... Reading this article helped me understand things alot better: https://yos.io/2018/11/10/bonding-curves/ Their example smart contract was especially helpful, although I still don't understand "the bancor formula." Anyone got a TL;DR ? :sweat_smile:
    Can I still deploy a simple, x², bonding curve using bancor formula ?
    Seena Z
    @craze3
    image.png
    That's what i'm after
    billy rennekamp
    @okwme
    hey @craze3 i agree the bancor curve is unintuitive. i suggest you think about the curve in terms of slope but convert it to a bancor curve when you're ready to use it. to do so you can check out this article: https://medium.com/@billyrennekamp/converting-between-bancor-and-bonding-curve-price-formulas-9c11309062f5
    Devon Krantz
    @Devkrz_twitter
    It's the Curation Markets call tomorrow at 19h00 CEST - you can sign up here if you havent already (https://forms.gle/HNnrU8Yf82wX7PLi8) This month our presentations will be from Luke Duncan & Cem Dagdelen from the Aragon Black team on how the Aragon Fundraising is Progressing as well as a presentation on available bonding curve tools by Tom St Laurent. There will be time at the end for an open Q&A session or open discussion with the presenters :)
    jeffemmett
    @jeffemmett_twitter

    New article coming out from the Commons Stack & BlockScience on 🤯 new decision-support technology: Computer-Aided Governance.

    "The Commons Stack proposes to improve our current governance systems by creating tools to model and test policy outcomes, so that participants have better information and make the best possible decisions. "

    https://twitter.com/commonsstack/status/1159386074231300096

    Please like, share, read & enjoy! 🌱🌎🚀

    Devon Krantz
    @Devkrz_twitter
    Paul Kohlhaas will be presenting on some of the legal implications of bonding curves in relation to our work at molecule.to in 30 mins time if any of you are interested in joining :) -> https://twitter.com/Molecule_to/status/1159446944370036736?s=20
    Stephen Young
    @stephen_yo_twitter
    @Devkrz_twitter do you have a video of the call yesterday? Was in bed with the flu so I missed it
    Elad Verbin
    @eladve
    I've written down some suggested research questions on bonding curves and other automatic-market-makers. Would love any feedback!
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VU_SePT-GT0vEYkhQiqLTcrcq4OIh5zYdg-5H6IDt24/edit#
    (feel free to leave feedback directly on the document, or to email me at elad.verbin@gmail.com )
    Specifically, I'd like to know whether these questions are interesting, and whether any answers are already known.
    Also, are there any automatic market making mechanisms known in the literature, except bonding curves?
    Elad Verbin
    @eladve
    Does anyone here have in-depth knowledge of Mathematical Finance? I'm trying to formally prove mathematical properties of Bonding Curves (see link above). I'm making some progress, but my understanding of mathematical finance only goes so far. Would love to get some help on finding the right definitions for properties, etc
    Thibauld Favre
    @thibauld
    Hey Elad 👋 You should really get in touch with Michael Zargham (https://twitter.com/mzargham) he's also working on the topic but, instead of applying traditional mathematical finance to Bonding Curves, he's using methods issued from complex systems (that he used to use in robotics) with great results! He's in Berlin for the BBW so you have no reason not to chat :)
    Thibauld Favre
    @thibauld
    (goes without saying but obviously I'd be happy to put you in touch with him if you'd like me to)
    Elad Verbin
    @eladve
    Thanks @thibauld ! I caught up with Michael here, and will run this by him.
    Are you in Blockchain Week by any chance?
    Seena Z
    @craze3
    Not sure who launched this on PH today, but thought you would like it @simondlr :) https://artee.ai/?ref=producthunt
    AI generated Tshirt shop
    I feel like I could improve on this model alot and make it something people want to partake in... Any ideas on what it would take? :sweat_smile:
    Jesse B Miller
    @jessebmiller_twitter
    TCG cards, RPG Spells/Feats/classes, FPS guns/abilities, video game levels/characters. In general, metadata for metadata driven systems.
    @craze3
    jeffemmett
    @jeffemmett_twitter

    Hey everybody, if you weren't able to catch the Commons Stack presentations at Berlin Blockchain Week, this is a good catch up on our application of Token Engineering to design the Augmented Bonding Curve as a continuous funding mechanism for communities and open source projects:

    https://medium.com/giveth/the-commons-stack-scaling-the-commons-to-re-prioritize-people-and-the-planet-fdc076aec4eb

    Paul Kohlhaas
    @paulkhls_twitter
    Curation markets call is about to kick-off if anyone's around! Commons Stack, Molecule and Elad Verbin on mathematical models for bonding curves will be presenting!
    https://linumlabs.zoom.us/j/794105212
    Darrell Duane
    @DarrellDuane
    https://commonsengine.org/workshop/?fbclid=IwAR1GutlDjfP79-Eb5WQq3nI1-3-yCrlKKU6QEtjoZkquXSOASAcJAWoXCko i plan to join this..anyone else interested?
    AndreasS2501
    @AndreasS2501
    Hello everyone!
    jeffemmett
    @jeffemmett_twitter
    Hey @AndreasS2501 !
    @DarrellDuane Curious to hear all about it!

    If anyone here hasn't heard about the Trusted Seed that was just launched by the Commons Stack, this article about healthy initialization conditions for DAOs is worth a read (and an application!):

    https://medium.com/giveth/the-trusted-seed-of-the-commons-stack-5af6fb04cd30

    Have a good weekend, all!

    jeffemmett
    @jeffemmett_twitter

    Another article out from the Commons Stack, on the tools of Token Engineering and a community invitation! Claps always welcome =)

    As #TokenEngineers, we have a professional social responsibility to ensure the safety of those using permissionless public infrastructure. This is why we supported the open sourcing of #cadCAD and invite you to create the first continuously funded cyber-physical commons: the Token Engineering Commons

    https://medium.com/commonsstack/establishing-open-token-engineering-tools-standards-9584b40dfe30

    Kevin
    @k21k
    I have talked about bonding curves to senior execs at Bitgo, Block.One and Fenbushi. They all like the concept
    Spencer Graham
    @spengrah_twitter

    Has anybody out there worked on a protocol that uses a work token distributed/managed by a bonding curve?

    (For those unfamiliar, a work token is a token that grants its owner the right to perform and collect revenues for some kind of work, eg Livepeer, Keep, taxi medallions)

    slava
    @balasan
    Hey everyone, pardon the shill, but we reached a big milestone today. Relevant Tokens are now on Uniswap and you can earn real money by using the app ;) https://blog.relevant.community/announcing-the-relevant-token-betting-game-4f1d471d4bca
    If you're unfamiliar with Relevant, here is a TLDR:
    Relevant is a modified curation market. Users can stake on posts using bonding curve logic, but stake does not determine post rankings. Staking is is similar to betting on the post's ranking in a prediction market. Post rankings are determined via a pagerank-based reputation system.
    Simon de la Rouviere
    @simondlr
    Amazing stuff @balasan!
    slava
    @balasan
    thanks @simondlr :)
    jeffemmett
    @jeffemmett_twitter

    Happy new year all! New piece out from the Commons Stack for anyone interested =)

    Read up on the #CyberPhysicalCommons, a cultural and technical framework to empower the commons. These customizable templates will enable communities to apply Ostrom's nobel-prize winning principles for effective collaboration towards shared goals:

    https://medium.com/commonsstack/automating-ostrom-for-effective-dao-management-cfe7a7aea138

    Devon Krantz
    @Devkrz_twitter
    Hi All :)
    Molecule Catalyst will be launching LIVE on mainnet on 16 January 18h00 CET and we'd like to invite you to take part in the live online event with us.
    The past year has been extremely exciting for our project and we are really proud to finally share what we have been working on with you and with the world.
    Please join us for:
    🔬 A live online demo of the Catalyst App
    👋 Meeting the team
    🍄 Learning more about the first research project we're launching on psilocybin
    🌟A deep dive into using Token Bonding Curves to fund research
    ⁉️ ASK US ANYTHING session at the end
    RSVP here to receive the invite: https://forms.gle/MaurPynuaG76tnPv6
    Bancambios.com
    @bancambios_twitter
    hey hello what is this room about