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    Corey Kaylor
    @CoreyKaylor
    Hasn’t been used by us, so I would vote for getting rid of it.
    Andres Hernandez
    @andhernand
    The use of responsive design makes the conditional/profile view less usefull.
    Corey Kaylor
    @CoreyKaylor
    It potentially has value for client specific profiles, but even then it’s a possibility that we’ve never needed to employ in practice.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @andhernand We built it specifically for cases where we thought that responsive design was going to be too hard or you were just going for such a very different layout and interaction. Either way, nobody’s used it since that company folded, so I’m hearing “kill it with impunity"
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    I think I’m calling 3.0 “done for now”, at least until any bugs pop up when this gets put into a real app. There’s plenty more things that could be done, but I’m holding off on any other work until I can start Jasper for real. You can see the log of what was done here: https://github.com/DarthFubuMVC/fubumvc/issues?q=is%3Aissue+milestone%3A3.0+is%3Aclosed
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    You going to push 3.0 to the public nuget feed?
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    I guess there’s no reason why I couldn’t. Wasn’t sure anyone outside of Extend Health would care;)
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    Yeah, doesn't look like we need any of the new bits but I'd bump us if there was a new version.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    For all the folks who occasionally check in here, I was finally able to start on some experimentation to use postgresql as a full replacement for RavenDb and NEventStore: https://gitter.im/JasperFx/Marten?utm_source=share-link&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=share-link
    “Marten” because they’re one of the very few natural predators of ravens
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    haha, clever
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Selenium/Mercury
    Joe McBride
    @joemcbride
    Just take care that the icon doesn’t look like this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4134VJY77WL.jpg
    ;]
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    In that case Tellurium may be cleverer as they are both group 16 elements.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @joemcbride I have a surprising number of older friends who were FoxPro guys who love to go on and on about how it was the best thing ever and what a crying shame everything after was
    Selenium is the cure for Mercury poisoning
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    Ok, that is really clever!
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    I was at ThoughtWorks about the time they wrote the very original Selenium just to test their homegrown replacement for the horrendous Lotus Notes based T&E system they had. Don’t think that system ever went anywhere, but the testing tool did;)
    Joe McBride
    @joemcbride
    @jeremydmiller I never used it myself though have heard the same rants. I used something kind of similar, I think, Oracle Forms 4.5 with Pascal.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    “Oracle Forms 4.5 with Pascal.” — OMG, that stuff is from before my time. I’ve never heard a nice word about Oracle Forms.
    Joe McBride
    @joemcbride
    lol - I used that at an internship at the local School District when I was in High School.
    I really didn’t know how to program yet so it was all new to me.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @mikeobrien We’re publishing alpha nugets for 3.0 directly to nuget.org now. See https://www.nuget.org/packages/FubuMVC.Core/3.0.0.2139-alpha
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    awesome!
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    We’re in the middle of converting a couple codebases at work to 3, so surely expect a little more churn as we stumble into things.
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    np. I'll probably update this afternoon.
    I'll let you know if I run into any issues
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Hold off one minute, I’m sorting through a paket/nuget problem w/ FubuMVC.Core to StructureMap and re-publishing
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    k
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @mikeobrien and @/all , try 3.0.0.2140-alpha of FubuMVC.Core, except note that it’s going to require you to move up to StructureMap 4 as well. SM4 is staying in alpha for the time being until the dust settles on ASP.net vNext compliance I think.
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    sounds good, thx for publishing that
    Kasper Toft Andersen
    @toftware
    Am i the only one seeing October 16th in this channel?
    Swear to god i just got a highlight from here
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Oct. 16th was the last thing here. It’s not a busy room:)
    Kasper Toft Andersen
    @toftware
    Well i got a notification popup here from chrome, strange
    Ron Lloyd
    @rlloyd2001
    Starting to look into moving to FubuMVC 3. Should we go with HtmlTags 3.0.0.186 or HtmlTags 4.0.0-beta1?
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    What does the fubumvc.core unspecified say? Should be locked back to 2.1
    dammit, the nuspec is wrong. Gimme a bit @rlloyd2001 and I’ll fix that and re-publish. Do NOT use HtmlTags 3 or 4.
    Ron Lloyd
    @rlloyd2001
    @jeremydmiller What is the difference between FubuMVC.RavenDb45 vs. FubuMVC.RavenDb. Can we remove FubuMVC.RavenDb45 going to FubuMVC 3?
    Ron Lloyd
    @rlloyd2001
    Nevermind, 45 has to refer to .net 4.5.
    Andreas Ljung
    @andreasljung
    Odd question: Do I need to have the line "Import<RazorEngineRegistry>();" in my "ConfigureFubuMVC.cs" file? I have taken over a project developed by someone else and was working on increasing the performance. When removed that line the page load went from 5s to under 1s and the @-tags are still working as expected, which seems strange if the razor engine is not used anymore?
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Gotta tell me the version first. In very, very early versions yes. Anything from >1, no, just the presence of the FubuMVC.Razor bottle
    Andreas Ljung
    @andreasljung
    Thank you for your quick reply! FubuCore is version 0.9.9.0 and FubuMVC.Core is 0.9.5.0
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Wow, okay, that’s really old (late 2012?). My honest answer is “I don’t remember”.
    Andreas Ljung
    @andreasljung
    ok, thanks anyway :)
    I will look into upgradring then
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Honestly, if it’s small, you might be better off trying to get off of fubumvc and onto either MVC or NancyFx. We still use the latest fubumvc heavily at work, but fubu is dead as an OSS project. A lot of the bootstrapping is very different and we never had decent docs for it.
    Andreas Ljung
    @andreasljung
    ah, yes its a small project, I will talk to my colleagues regarding the future for this application! But the quickfix now will probably be to remove that "Import"-line, since it seem to help with the performance! Thank you very much for your time!
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller

    Bet most of you thought this room was dead and Jasper/FubuMVC deader, but there's a touch of life in it yet. Now that Marten is settling down for me and the CoreCLR stuff is getting more mature, I've been able to start thinking about Jasper again.

    Here's my current thinking about what Jasper is going to be and the all important intermediate steps to get there: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11muOkwyZiFnVTn9NgdtvjZK_J9f-Lbv8yKDZXbu59q0

    Do note that this is almost completely about redoing the architecture and extremely light on details about better usability or new features.