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    Adam Schroder
    @schotime
    This would only help the efforts I would think. aspnet/Announcements#49
    Especially if we need more hooks, now would be the time to join the convo
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @schotime Yeah, I’ve been mostly letting the dust settle before getting into their internals too much, but it’s probably time to change that. What they’re doing to pull things apart sounds awfully like what we were doing at the tail end of ’12 in fubumvc
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @katokay, @jmarnold and anyone else, what would you folks think of this: DarthFubuMVC/fubumvc#882
    Suhas Chatekar
    @schatekar
    #882 is meant only for testing?
    Corey Kaylor
    @CoreyKaylor
    It can be for testing, but also for embedded webservers in backend processes. We use this type of thing a lot for diagnostics views into our running applications.
    Suhas Chatekar
    @schatekar
    Should that only run on 127.0.0.1? I ask this as there is no option to specify IP
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @schatekar Dunno, so far we’ve never ran Katana for anything but testing and embedded diagnostics. What do you envision?
    Suhas Chatekar
    @schatekar
    @jeremydmiller I envision a need to optionally specify ip address as well
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @CoreyKaylor @jmarnold et al, what do you think about killing off the conditional/profile view feature? DarthFubuMVC/fubumvc#907
    Corey Kaylor
    @CoreyKaylor
    Hasn’t been used by us, so I would vote for getting rid of it.
    Andres Hernandez
    @andhernand
    The use of responsive design makes the conditional/profile view less usefull.
    Corey Kaylor
    @CoreyKaylor
    It potentially has value for client specific profiles, but even then it’s a possibility that we’ve never needed to employ in practice.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @andhernand We built it specifically for cases where we thought that responsive design was going to be too hard or you were just going for such a very different layout and interaction. Either way, nobody’s used it since that company folded, so I’m hearing “kill it with impunity"
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    I think I’m calling 3.0 “done for now”, at least until any bugs pop up when this gets put into a real app. There’s plenty more things that could be done, but I’m holding off on any other work until I can start Jasper for real. You can see the log of what was done here: https://github.com/DarthFubuMVC/fubumvc/issues?q=is%3Aissue+milestone%3A3.0+is%3Aclosed
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    You going to push 3.0 to the public nuget feed?
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    I guess there’s no reason why I couldn’t. Wasn’t sure anyone outside of Extend Health would care;)
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    Yeah, doesn't look like we need any of the new bits but I'd bump us if there was a new version.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    For all the folks who occasionally check in here, I was finally able to start on some experimentation to use postgresql as a full replacement for RavenDb and NEventStore: https://gitter.im/JasperFx/Marten?utm_source=share-link&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=share-link
    “Marten” because they’re one of the very few natural predators of ravens
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    haha, clever
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Selenium/Mercury
    Joe McBride
    @joemcbride
    Just take care that the icon doesn’t look like this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4134VJY77WL.jpg
    ;]
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    In that case Tellurium may be cleverer as they are both group 16 elements.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @joemcbride I have a surprising number of older friends who were FoxPro guys who love to go on and on about how it was the best thing ever and what a crying shame everything after was
    Selenium is the cure for Mercury poisoning
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    Ok, that is really clever!
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    I was at ThoughtWorks about the time they wrote the very original Selenium just to test their homegrown replacement for the horrendous Lotus Notes based T&E system they had. Don’t think that system ever went anywhere, but the testing tool did;)
    Joe McBride
    @joemcbride
    @jeremydmiller I never used it myself though have heard the same rants. I used something kind of similar, I think, Oracle Forms 4.5 with Pascal.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    “Oracle Forms 4.5 with Pascal.” — OMG, that stuff is from before my time. I’ve never heard a nice word about Oracle Forms.
    Joe McBride
    @joemcbride
    lol - I used that at an internship at the local School District when I was in High School.
    I really didn’t know how to program yet so it was all new to me.
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @mikeobrien We’re publishing alpha nugets for 3.0 directly to nuget.org now. See https://www.nuget.org/packages/FubuMVC.Core/3.0.0.2139-alpha
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    awesome!
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    We’re in the middle of converting a couple codebases at work to 3, so surely expect a little more churn as we stumble into things.
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    np. I'll probably update this afternoon.
    I'll let you know if I run into any issues
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Hold off one minute, I’m sorting through a paket/nuget problem w/ FubuMVC.Core to StructureMap and re-publishing
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    k
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    @mikeobrien and @/all , try 3.0.0.2140-alpha of FubuMVC.Core, except note that it’s going to require you to move up to StructureMap 4 as well. SM4 is staying in alpha for the time being until the dust settles on ASP.net vNext compliance I think.
    Mike O'Brien
    @mikeobrien
    sounds good, thx for publishing that
    Kasper Toft Andersen
    @toftware
    Am i the only one seeing October 16th in this channel?
    Swear to god i just got a highlight from here
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    Oct. 16th was the last thing here. It’s not a busy room:)
    Kasper Toft Andersen
    @toftware
    Well i got a notification popup here from chrome, strange
    Ron Lloyd
    @rlloyd2001
    Starting to look into moving to FubuMVC 3. Should we go with HtmlTags 3.0.0.186 or HtmlTags 4.0.0-beta1?
    Jeremy D. Miller
    @jeremydmiller
    What does the fubumvc.core unspecified say? Should be locked back to 2.1
    dammit, the nuspec is wrong. Gimme a bit @rlloyd2001 and I’ll fix that and re-publish. Do NOT use HtmlTags 3 or 4.
    Ron Lloyd
    @rlloyd2001
    @jeremydmiller What is the difference between FubuMVC.RavenDb45 vs. FubuMVC.RavenDb. Can we remove FubuMVC.RavenDb45 going to FubuMVC 3?