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    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Yes I agree it should be modular and it's not one size fits all. And yes so many ideas that are worth trying. My goal with the blog posts over the next few weeks is to make the trade offs a little more accessible to project teams. I'm in New York for Consensus Invest tomorrow so if there is anyone you think I should reach out to that would be great.
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    Not sure what happened to the first link, I think it got deleted and republished: https://medium.com/@FEhrsam/blockchain-governance-programming-our-future-c3bfe30f2d74
    I think he wanted the url to match the title.
    Definitely worth the read! Very insightful post.
    Griff Green
    @GriffGreen
    https://youtu.be/9RtSod8EXn4?t=2h33m58s I thought this was great... I love the vocab he creates
    Griff Green
    @GriffGreen
    http://www.reinventingorganizationswiki.com/ another great resource (Thx for the reminder that i need to read this @RhysLindmark_twitter :-D
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    :smile: All the teal, all the time.
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Worth getting to the bottom of what the Ethereum process is. I'd be happy to volunteer to document it. Reto from Melonport referred me to Carbon Vote (http://carbonvote.com/) used during DAO hack, Yellow Paper Committee (Gavin Wood) and Ethereum Improvement Process. I tend to agree that trying to cut node operators out of the hard fork process is not going to work. Ont he other hand Zurrer (see video above) sees node operators (keepers) as having a bigger role.
    Carl Youngblood
    @cayblood
    I've been thinking for a while how cool it would be to start a company focused on providing governance solutions to failed states. One of the first things I think you would need to do is prioritize features. What are the most critical aspects of a functioning democracy that you would want to build first?
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Hi Carl. Welcome. Just a gentle reminder that we'd like to keep this forum for discussions on governance for public, permissionless blockchains. There will no doubt be relevant ideas from failed states etc. so by all means introduce them in the context of blockchain governance. In fact my intro blog post was just that. It will be challenging to discuss this when so many people in the blockchain world come from such diverse political backgrounds. Almost all governance decisions will create winners and losers in economic terms. But yeah it seems attractive to search for a minimum viable product (MVP) of governance. In fact each network is already doing that. Where there is online governance it's usually explicitly marked as an experiment, with some fail back to offline governance by founders / advisors. It'll be interested to see when we get to a first definition of an MVP, what will we have left out? What are "the critical aspects of a functioning democracy"? And if we can leave bits out temporarily does that mean we can leave them our permanently? In blockchain it seems like we can have offline governance as a catch all. I think this works for now as it's a positive sum game in a growing space. So things are on the whole a little more good natured. It gets trickier when that growth stops - and people are more acutely aware of what they are gaining / losing with each decision being made. My take is the time for MVPs will run out faster than we think. And no network is protected: the irony has been pointed out before, but the ones that thought most about governance (Tezos, Otonomous), are finding their their chosen MVP model for governance was flawed. Web3 is growing 2-3 times faster than Web1. Failed states are usually those that failed to respond to change. Only networks with governance models that facilitate change will adopt fast enough. So I think there is a distinction here: we already have somewhat fragile MVPs, but there is now an urgency to find the MVPs of more robust governance models.
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Time to scope out those Aragon tools: https://blog.aragon.one/introducing-aragon-nest-1aa8c91c0566
    Johannes Jensen
    @LocalCurrents
    Hi Everyone! Great idea creating a channel for this exciting topic. I am currently preparing an article on the topic invoking a new methodology for distributed governance models inspired by German philosophers Niklas Luhmann and Jürgen Habermas. Super exciting to see the many interesting angles to solving these emerging issues.
    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    Thought the group here might find this post I just published interesting: https://blog.aragon.one/thoughts-on-governance-and-network-effects-f40fda3e3f98
    Thoughts and feedback very much appreciated! :)
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter

    Generally dig the direction (governance token = defensible). I'd mention the "blockchain-enabled early adopter financial incentives" to your thoughts at the top on diminished network effects: https://medium.com/@RhysLindmark/macro-blockchain-1-the-end-of-aggregation-theory-ad199a0c03d8

    Also, I'd love to see a follow up on the experiments happening with various governance models that you describe.

    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    @RhysLindmark_twitter me too! I think each of those modes deserves a whole deep dive, and very excited to get some implementations out into the wild that can be tested an analyzed.
    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    Regarding early adopter financial incentives, I think its a powerful force but ultimately begs the question how do you make it sustainable in the longer term? Personally I think that line of thinking leads straight to a crypto universal basic income (which I’m a huge fan of), but I think jumping straight to that conclusion skips too many intermediary steps and takes focus away from what the immediate next steps are…
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Yeah, I'm not really arguing for cryptoUBI, just arguing that part of the reason for diminished defensibility (increased exit) are those early adopter financial incentives.
    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    definitely!
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    @lkngtn great post. And great feedback Rhys - made me go through the agg theory idea again to see how tokens / decentralization / governance might impact the theory. You both spurred me into action to get my post out. Hopefully I'll get it out tomorrow.
    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    Looking forward to reading it @rflxvty_twitter :)
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Yay, spurring each other to action!
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter

    Btw, I'm going to start experimenting with hosting "Decentralized Governance" group calls (aka Masterminds/Circles) to try to help everyone here co-evolve this field.

    If you're interested in joining a call next week, please note your availability here: http://whenisgood.net/catpd5s

    (Also, note that this is part of a larger "ETHCommons" vision outlined here: https://twitter.com/RhysLindmark/status/941095501784428545)

    Thanks and let me know if you have any questions! (This is experimental :smile: )

    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    @RhysLindmark_twitter is this the same call as cryptoeconomic primitives one, or a seperate one?
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Separate!
    Alex Stokes
    @ralexstokes
    @lkngtn @RhysLindmark_twitter what is the cryptoeconomic primitives one? that sounds interesting!
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Luke Duncan
    @lkngtn
    Great post. I think the conclusion that it’s not an either or proposition but a balance that needs to be struck is something I strongly agree with.
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter

    Hey all! We're going to run one meeting:

    2pm Mountain Standard Time (GMT -7) on Thursday. Join here: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/n3mzpeytlnemldnxbc45lkvlkae

    The goal of this "kick off" meeting is primarily to: connect with others who are working on decentralized governance, chat about current challenges/experiments, and share learnings. (They're being loosely modeled off of the ETH Core Dev meetings.) They will be publicly livestreamed (transparency!). We'll be running them as "lean coffee" meetings, where we crowd source an agenda, vote on it to prioritize, and then timebox each agenda item. Here's the Trello board that we'll use (feel free to add cards to the "Circle #1") list beforehand! https://trello.com/invite/b/z17lLfm7/aa2a1fa4d9f17488c01bc0201d246eee/decentralized-governance-circle

    Thanks all, see some of you on Thursday, let me know if you have any questions, and remember that this is a shared experiment :)

    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Great - really looking forward to it.
    geleeroyale
    @geleeroyale
    Hello community!
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Yoyoyoyoyoyo!
    YO
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    @geleeroyale:matrix.org In case you are using Riot - this room has been succesfully bridged to: #gitter_decentralized-governance=2Flobby:matrix.org
    @geleeroyale:matrix.org ;-)
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Woaaaahhhhh. That's awesome. I don't exactly know what that means, but I'm super into "cross platform interoperability" (Gitter, Riot, Rocket.chat, Slack, etc.)
    geleeroyale
    @geleeroyale
    It means you can access this room in riot as well - or any other client supporting the matrix protocol
    Rhys Lindmark
    @RhysLindmark_twitter
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Thanks a million, Rhys. Great call. Looking forward to doing it again. Loved the format, Trello, minutes, timers etc. It's a great way to do things... if I can stick to timing ;-)
    Video is here for those who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no8fB2cZ--g
    Brendan@Reflexivity
    @rflxvty_twitter
    Just a few thought for the New Year...
    1. I really think exiting is over-rated as a concept in governance.
    1. Nick Szabo was wrong to say that we shouldn't design governance systems because open source governance models will be fine.
    1. Gitter is weird and replaces 2 with 1 when you do a list like this.