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myfreeweb
@myfreeweb
thames is really old
it's a terascale (r600) gpu that's only branded as 7xxx for marketing reasons
myfreeweb
@myfreeweb
the relnotes and wikis and whatever really should say 'starting with the HD 77xx series or something'
7000 < x < 7700 is all rebrands
Graham Perrin
@grahamperrin
@myfreeweb thanks. Someone else's case, "Kabini/Radeon HD 8280/R3 series", is amdgpu good for that?
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <Avengence> grahamperrin: amdgpu is for GCN2 and newer. there is experimental support for GCN1 in amdgpu but that is disabled by default and radeonkms is the recommended driver for those as well as all radeon prior to GCN (terascale and earlier).
[irc] <Avengence> you cannot go simply by model series as the low end parts are just rebrands of previous generation chips, sometimes with a die shrink. they have stopped shipping any new terascale parts by now, but the next step for those low end parts was GCN1 while the high end moved on to GCN3 and beyond, so radeonkms is still the driver for the lowest end.
[irc] <Avengence> consult the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_GPUs if in doubt which microarchitecture your GPU is based on
[irc] <Avengence> myfreeweb: there is nothing horrible about radeonkms. in fact, it is superior as it works on more than just amd64. amdgpu has not been properly ported, and it only works on LE platforms in Linux, so radeon is the only solution for BE in general and for platforms other than amd64 in FreeBSD.
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <swills> Avengence: but the hardware it supports is old, no?
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <mason> So, given newish AMD hardware and amdgpu, is it competitive with nVidia and the nVidia proprietary driver for gaming?
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <Avengence> swills: Radeon 520 released april 2017 (part of RX 5xx serise which is GCN4 at the top end) is still GCN1. age of the hardware is irrelevant, the preferred driver depends on the architecture not the age.
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <swills> so you're implying there's no relationship between hardware availability and support?
[irc] <Avengence> didn't say anything about that, but of course the hardware that is more available (generally waht is older) is better supported
[irc] <swills> older hardware is more available?
[irc] <Avengence> yes, you can get it cheap or maybe even free
[irc] <swills> that's not the hardware the majority of people want to use
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <swills> and "hardware that's so old you can get it for free" is not the level of support we want to provide, imo
[irc] <Avengence> especially for GPUs, there is little reason to buy the newest if you are not a gamer doing professional work, both of which basically lock you into windows. there is little reason for any FOSS devs to buy the latest GPUs, so with a few exceptions most will be using older generation, and the average user probably even older as they like;y invest less into hardware
[irc] <Avengence> better to support the hardware one has than the hardware one could maybe have if rich
[irc] <swills> the newer hardware is often all that's available, in my experience
[irc] <Avengence> the current state is a bit sad, just as stuff from one era is getting solid, there is a oush to drop it in favor of work on next gen stuff that is years away from being stable and reliable. but hey, new is exciting for the few that can afford it, so forget supporting what people actualyl have on hand and have been waiting to be well supported
[irc] <swills> especially on the cheaper machines
[irc] <Avengence> "only newer hardware is available" never heard of ebay?
[irc] <swills> ewhatnow?
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <swills> but seriously, we can't tell people "oh, sorry, your machine is too new, go get something 10 years old used"
[irc] <Avengence> granted it's pretty new tech, but get this, people sell their extra stuff to other people for cheap, so when some gamer upgrades to the newest bling, their lses than a year old graphics card becomes available on the open market for a mere fraction of it's original cost, maybe even with upgraded cooling
[irc] <swills> people also rip people off, take poor care of stuff so it's not as reliable as it was new etc and then sell it with labels such as "like new"
[irc] <Avengence> never said we should. but we also shouldn't say "oh, your macine is more than 5 years old, go buy a new one"
[irc] <swills> that's why people want actually new stuff
[irc] <Avengence> I generally dont want the newest. if I'm buying someting new, I'd still prefer a model that has been arouind for some time and gone through a few revisions, rather than get the rev A0 and have all sorts of problems. been there done that enough times already
[irc] <swills> even brand new machines are so cheap these days
[irc] <Avengence> there is some stuff that takes wear but most electronics last a long time if they make it through the initial period without sudden infant death
[irc] <swills> and also people want newer faster CPUs and most people don't bother with upgrading CPU/GPU separately
[irc] <Avengence> heck, there are other industries where used can command a higher price than new. e.g. boats, most are custom and need some debugging so to say so if you don't want hassle you buy a used one as the new one will have problems that need to be sorted out.
[irc] <swills> people don't generally apply that approach to computer hardware in my experience
[irc] <Avengence> the people who are upgrading those together and just wnt new CPU and probably using the iGPU and so graphiocs performance isn't really a concern, just does stuff appear on the screen
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <Avengence> after getting burned enough times I apply that approach, and for some stuff I've always taken the buy 1-2 generations older approach out of need. for example, it is much better to buy a previous model managed switch meant fdor enterprise than to pay a higher price for the latest unmanaged rubbish soho network gear.
[irc] <Avengence> back when there was a distinct difference between 3D accelerators for games and professional graphics boards, and friend and I were both interested in 3D modeling and animation so we bought used professional graphics cards ~1year old off ebay for a tenth the original cost or less, use them 3-6 months, then sell it before the value drops too far and buy something newer.
[irc] <Avengence> if you're keeping up on the middle of the tail, you can keep flipping the hardware for about the same cost as paid, sometimes even turning a small profit
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <nomadlgc> imho the gap between what's supported in linux and freebsd in terms of amdgpu is getting better
[irc] <nomadlgc> i don't think the issue is people not wanting to support it, just getting the gear into appropriate dev hands
[irc] <nomadlgc> like i have an amdgpu system, but couldn't afford a shiny new one due to budget etc
[irc] <nomadlgc> having said that, when i was a 3d and video engineer everyone just used nvidia as there was commercial support avail for unix/linux
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <Avengence> the problem is not that there is work on supporting the newer generations, the problem is that work on the newest has been used to block work on impriving the support for the less than ewest which is more usable but not perfect, and to push out support for the less than newest before the support for the newest is as polished and reliable as the support that is being pushed out
myfreeweb
@myfreeweb
Avengence: I'm running amdgpu on aarch64 right now. currently with GCN4 but I've tested a GCN1 card as well: radeonkms occasionally panics, amdgpu does not. also, Vulkan (RADV) does not work with radeonkms. I'm pretty sure GCN1 support in amdgpu has not been considered experimental for a reasonably long time. I didn't need an enable_si sysctl on drm-v5.0
fbsdgitter
@fbsdgitter
[irc] <Avengence> myfreeweb: it is news to me that the stuff dependent on linuxkpi works on anything other than amd64. it was not working for anyone on ppc64 last I heard and it did not work for me on amd64 all the times I tried (kernel panic shortly after loading i915 drm driver). radeonkms has been very stable but I 've not tried it with GCN hardware. which version are you using that panics?
grahamperrin @grahamperrin thanks @fbsdgitter
grahamperrin @grahamperrin downs a gin and tonic, glances at tables in wiki, slouches, turns mouth inside-out at the complexity of it all
grahamperrin @grahamperrin thanks Avengence even