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8th
Jan 2018
Alice Jiang
@becausealice2
Jan 08 2018 00:06
omg
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 00:12
you won't find an emoji for :covfefe: its a stupid word Trump came up with last year. the reason they show up like that is because gitter doesn't have an emoji for them. I'm also disappointe my :coffee: is nowhere to be found :sob:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 11:15
:yum:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 11:31
:octocat:
:nerd:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 11:47

Following with the emoji project, done with the first data cleaning, transformations and completions of the second intent after finding the issue with the keywords 2 weeks ago.

Now the analysis... which is, as @timjavins mentioned somewhere, probably the actual fun :) (but for the charts if you have to code them from scratch using things like d3.js, ah, @becausealice2? :) ).

evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 11:58

PEOPLE

For those who are following my endevours with this project, I found this could be a good opportunity to show some what "becoming a DS" could entail, just by taking an exercise that is not a full DS one but completely new. I have already 2,5 months working on this project in order to write a 1,000-words article that might not be even accepted or if accepted not viewed/read. And I am not getting paid for it.

It is true I am not full time, but in terms of hours of dedication, put it 15 hours per week. Make your sums.

I do this because I like it. What about you?

Josh Goldberg
@GoldbergData
Jan 08 2018 12:59
@evaristoc so happy you’re sharing! Thank you!
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@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 12:59
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Svetlana Linuxenko
@linuxenko
Jan 08 2018 13:04
@evaristoc Thank you for sharing the summary of your work and efforts , it makes me think about the time
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@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 13:04
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evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 16:42

Oh! Thanks, @GoldbergData @linuxenko (nice job by the way! You got a follower!) - be aware I don't consider myself an expert but probably that is a better reason my experience might be important to some.


@huyingjie

Please don't think I don't have any interest in outliers.
One thing that could happen is that people copied and pasted automated messages.

However I went through some messages showing outlying behaviour just now and found that could be related to other factor too.

Although crowded, the actual number of seriously seriously engaged participants in the chat is not thaaaat big. The very engaged participants have been the main drivers of the characteristics of the messages and the topics.

One clear example is @abhisekp who was very very active in FCC and the chatroom and was a frequent emojier. He is, according to my list, one of the first "outliers". @CEREBR4L has been another one. There are some more.

They also served as moderators of the room and sometimes and more specially @abhisekp they used emojis to indicate the importance of the message they were posting (something new I am learning here thanks to your question, @huyingjie!!!).

I haven't seen all messages so I can't completely confirm this, but the few I checked suggested so.

This might require a deeper analysis for sure. Do you want to do that, @huyingjie? ;)

CamperBot
@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 16:42
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Moon Man
@CEREBR4L
Jan 08 2018 16:53
why am i being mentioned, I don't wanna be involved with you data nerds :runner: :dash:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 17:08
@CEREBR4L :) :) :) :) Sorry friend: you are revealed...
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 17:23

And welll... this is going to prove as a true trend... The list of those that made the top 5 at least once (:tada:!!!):

  • :star:
  • :sweat_smile:
  • :laughing:
  • :shipit:
  • :pencil:
  • :wave:
  • :cookie:
  • :star2:
  • :smile:
  • :clap:
  • :point_up:
  • :warning:
  • :thumbsup:
  • :sparkles:
  • :balloon:
    *:worried:
  • :trollface:
  • :blush:

Some of them could have made the top 5 probably once. I haven't seen when - context could be relevant. But in general:

  • Why ballon, I don't know.
  • I saw the moderators and engaged ones using point_up, sparkles, stars, cookies and warnings a lot more than average (not totally checked I am afraid).
  • trollface is very much a popular one in the chatroom IMO.
  • The rest are popular on their own.

Looking at this, it might be that moderators could have had a larger impact than I was expecting and that there is a widespread use of "freecodecamp-branded" emojis (stars, sparkles, cookies, etc).

This, assuming that the list and counts are both correct (:scream:).

Yingjie (Iris) Hu
@huyingjie
Jan 08 2018 17:30
@evaristoc camperbot is the most active user from July 2015 to May 2016 🤣
:smile:
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 17:44
@evaristoc this was interesting even though I'm not a participant in this room or field. thanks !
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@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 17:44
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evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 19:55

@huyingjie :)

@mstellaluna thanks to you! :)

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@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 19:55
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evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:24

By getting rid of possible emojis that were "freecodecamp-branded", those which stood to the podium of the top5 were:

  • :sweat_smile:
  • :laughing:
  • :point_right:
  • :fire:
  • :shipit:
  • :pencil:
  • :wave:
  • :coffee:
  • :8ball:
  • :smile:
  • :clap:
  • :pensive:
  • :point_up:
  • :eyes:
  • :thumbsup:
  • :balloon:
  • :worried:
  • :bulb:
  • :trollface:
  • :blush:

I think fire should be in the "freecodecamp-branded" list. Hmmm... Anyway.

Still ballon??? Why???
Anyway I am not doing this here any more. Right to the analysis, the article and the visualizations then.
But the list... Toooootally different to what I had before and what I was expecting to see, to be honest.
Interesting.
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:29
@becausealice2 @mstellaluna for what do you think people used :ballon:and :8ball: in the chat? What is the underlying meaning of those two?
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:30
@evaristoc hehehe eightball is camperbot
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:30
By the way: : coffee: is part of the top5 list in this case, @mstellaluna
In what sense?
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:31
its one of camperbots commands
eightball hello
CamperBot
@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 20:31
@mstellaluna :8ball: concentrate and ask again :sparkles:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:31
Ok, so it is also an outlier. Ok. For some reason I am not being able to get rid of all camperbot messages then.
Hmmm...
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:32
we use 8ball a lot in the main room for stupid questions
lol
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:32
:)
My script is not capturing all camperbot messages, I am afraid.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:32
ballon is used in answer to a question like "is there a web designer floating around in here"
they answer with a balloon
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:33
:):):):)
Great, because there is also a sort of emoji-slang...
That is more or less what I want to capture with this project, @mstellaluna
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:34
Cerebe4ul is the king of emoji communication :)
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:34
If there is a sort of fCC way of using them.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:34
what do you mean?
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:34
Yes I found he was using them a lot. Also abhisek
Well, some emojis can mean whatever. There could be that situations in certain social media platforms where people add specific meaning to certain emojis as the most general answer, @mstellaluna. But I am not sure.
I am not an emojier myself.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:36
oh these are builtin to gitter
I have the master list somewhere
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:36
It might be that ballon is used in the same way here on Twitter for example, @mstellaluna
No, I am talking about the meaning that people give to the emojis, @mstellaluna , not the emojis themselves. For me for example, a ballon is a ballon, I wouldn't use it as you mentioned.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:38
no its literal meaning a ballon is just a ballon
the :hammer: let say used more for mod ban
that's the only one I can think of that has alternate meaning
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:39
Like a word, or for example the infamous eggplant - I just knew the double meaning given to it in US.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:39
yea that thing
I forgot about that one
its used in the double meaning
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:39
Because, believe it or not, they are even used differently depending on the country, @mstellaluna
Yes, in this case, the ballon has also a double meaning.
For example.
Ok!!! the hammer! I saw it used frequently too... Good point.

Ok. I am working on a project about emojis in the main chatroom, but I am afraid it will be incomplete as I don't really know the alternate meaning of some of them when having it, or truly identifying outliers like camperbot-related messages when my code is unable to get them. Very strange really: according to my code I don't have camperbot in my list of users... hmmm...

@mstellaluna could it be that moderators are frequently using "camperbot emojis" too?

mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:46
not me
it would be mostly camperbot that uses them or someone invokes his command like eighball
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:46
Ok. I saw abhisek did.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:46
yea that would be specific to him...
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:47

or someone invokes his command like eighball

@mstellaluna I think this a possible an "alternative fact" :)

mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:47
a lot campberots commands were disabled
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:48
People invoking commands using by mistake. I have seen that a lot. But still... Hard to get rid of them.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:48
you can go into camperbots playground room and try them out and see which ones they generate
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:48

a lot campberots commands were disabled

Ok

mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:48
i never looked into his codebase
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:50
@mstellaluna I probably won't. I can't go on every single one... hmmm... If I can at least find the most common camperbot emojis, that would be ok. I will get rid of them from my emoji list then.
I don't think they are so many...
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:50
so i don't think so either
if you need them as a process of eliminiation or as a classification i don't mind going through his commands to see what they generate
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:52
Probably if you can identify some from the list above :point_up: ?
@mstellaluna
Those that are really really camperbot. There are a few there that are used by camperbot AND by other people too, I think.
But really, if I am not getting rid of all camperbot messages, I don't know what it is happening with my code then. It is strange.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:54
@evaristoc okay i'll get back to you
i can tell you :eyes: its me
lol i love using that one
with :coffee:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:54
:) :) :) :) :) @mstellaluna !!!
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:55
:trollface: is used by camperbot and by campers
Svetlana Linuxenko
@linuxenko
Jan 08 2018 20:55
now I want a coffeee.. .grr, thank you mstella
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:55
Yes...
Me too...
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:55
@linuxenko always glad to be of service :)
:shipit: its campers
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:55
I go for a tea though :( ... otherwise I won't sleep...
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:56
i'll make you a better list
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 20:56
Just let me know those that are mostly camperbot, @mstellaluna . I was using this list:
ind_outliers1 = set([':warning:', ':star2:', ':star:', ':cookie:', ':sparkles:'])
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 20:57
just to confirm ... you just need to know which camperbot also uses
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:00
More like those that appear in the large majority of the camperbot messages based on your observations. If it uses a emoji in a specific message but it is, let's say, a very very very infrequent message, than that is maybe not a cause of a problem
For example, :cookie: is something that appears VERY frequently
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:01
we use them along side camperbot
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:01
Now :ball8: too.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:01
us and camperbot
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:01
Yes, I was thinking about that too. The same with :sparkles:
I will leave them.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:01
yes on the thanks he uses sparkles first then the cookies
is not often the campers use them
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:02
Ah! Ok.
Then I keep cookie.
:warning:, surely camperbot and abhisek
@mstellaluna I liked the observation you made about the :balloon: emoji, by the way..
I will try to reference that in the article.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:11
okay I have your list
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:12
throw that to me!! :)
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:13
eightball - 8ball + sparkles
rooms,wiki,explain - point right
thanks - thumbs up , sparkles x2, star2, cookie
about - cookie
CamperBot
@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 21:13
@mstellaluna :8ball: reply hazy try again :sparkles:
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:13
oh shush bot
also cuz they are using them in the main room now ..
:angel: -> means innocent
:imp: -> devil/evil
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:13
:joy: :joy: !!
I see...!
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:15
:runner: or :running: is used as you are running away after making a sly comment
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:15
I will keep thumbs_up - it is a very frequent one too. I also use it a lot. See :+1:...
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:15
hehehe
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:15
Did you see?
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:15
yes I did
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:15
:+1:
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:15
:eyes:
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:15
I can stop using it :)
:joy: Your trade mark
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:16
:wave: is used for hi or bye
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:16
Yes!! CEREBR4L did it here, with a... wind... augh!
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:17
:clap: is used normally with good job .. yea he means a fart 90% of the time
lol
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:17
Exactly... what's wrong with you, people??
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:17
god I spend too much time in gitter
i should become an emoji translator
lol
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:18
:joy:
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:18
if you need me again, tag me and i'll see what help i can provide :)
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:19
Well, I don't think you are going to make a living out of it, but don't feel discourage, @mstellaluna
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:19
lol
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:19
About emoji-translator.
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:19
i know what you mean.. :)
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:20
@mstellaluna that's has been a lot of help! Thanks. A few new things I learned today for sure!!!
CamperBot
@camperbot
Jan 08 2018 21:20
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mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:20
:)
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:20
Ok, going back to work on this then. Keep you posted!!
By the way, @mstellaluna what make you think that camperbot is a "he"? I know: the way camperbot talks and behaves for sure. A bit sexist but sometimes...
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:23
no its used in English quite frequently and in French also where it defaults to masculine for grammatical ease
evaristoc
@evaristoc
Jan 08 2018 21:26

Ohh... there is an authentic reason deeply rooted in the use of the language? OMG!

It was a joke. :) Nice to know. I was planning to call it "it", but my English is... well... a bit rubbish sometimes...

A new lesson... :)
mstellaluna
@mstellaluna
Jan 08 2018 21:28
:)