get help in general - we have more specialized help rooms here: https://gitter.im/FreeCodeCamp/home
Ya know, it's the first time I really LOOKED at what all was released on FCC
:O
it's a pretty big change, huh?
The Kracken?
Thats a secret sry sssry
Hi @Smootimus
Yeah it's a ton of new content.
Hello there @anthonygallina1
ya in the guides?
Nah all the new fcc content
ALL the new content
@kelechy Hey, I started again yesterday and completed the final pset4 problem (recover). Will continue further over the week, what about you?
cs50 was fun! :)
do they still teach C?
do they still teach C?
can't tell which one is active haha
What is difference between
text-transform initial and none?
possibly
none is to remove text transform and initial is to set it to default value ? ( not sure )
@ThePrakashKumar Is it to do with animation?
Hello guys, I got stuck on this.
let ohStr = "Ohhh no";
let ohRegex = /h{3,6}/; // Change this line
let result = ohRegex.test(ohStr);
hi everyone , I'm just a new member I really need ur help in this java script function
function AlphabetSoup(str) {
var res = str.split("");
res.sort();
var sorted = "";
for (i=0; i < res.length; i++){
sorted = sorted.concat(res[i]);
}
return sorted;
}
AlphabetSoup(readline());
as u see here we have to change alphabetsoup to alphabetorder , for example hello become ehllo , I don't know how the function must me organized
can you share the link of the challenge @sumaya99
okay
I'm sorry is this a freeCodeCamp challenge? @sumaya99
nope
Okay, I'm sorry I don't know what you're trying to do @sumaya99
:(
@devbysalas maybe including the whole text structure, not just the standalone letter
h ?
I'll try that, thank you! @psyperl
I am a little stuck on Applied Accessibility challenge Make Links Navigatable with HTML Access Keys - reported issue on the forum please answer there if there is
I actually got it now
was trying to help, but i am still at Applied Visual Design now :grin:
Where are you at? I just finished CSS Flexbox.
I am at "Decrease the Opacity of an Element" in "Applied Visual Design"
HI HUYS
Hi Guys
I have a question in regards with this code
*Your form element should have the background-color of green.
background-color: green;
yep let me put my code
```<link href="https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Lobster" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
<style>
.red-text {
color: red;
}
#cat-photo-element{
background-color:green;
}
h2 {
font-family: Lobster, monospace;
}
p {
font-size: 16px;
font-family: monospace;
}
.thick-green-border {
border-color: green;
border-width: 10px;
border-style: solid;
border-radius: 50%;
}
.smaller-image {
width: 100px;
}
.silver-background {
background-color: silver;
}
</style>
<h2 class="red-text">CatPhotoApp</h2>
<main>
<p class="red-text">Click here to view more <a href="#">cat photos</a>.</p>
<a href="#"><img class="smaller-image thick-green-border" src="https://bit.ly/fcc-relaxing-cat" alt="A cute orange cat lying on its back."></a>
<div class="silver-background">
<p>Things cats love:</p>
<ul>
<li>cat nip</li>
<li>laser pointers</li>
<li>lasagna</li>
</ul>
<p>Top 3 things cats hate:</p>
<ol>
<li>flea treatment</li>
<li>thunder</li>
<li>other cats</li>
</ol>
</div>
<form action="/submit-cat-photo" id="cat-photo-form">
<label><input type="radio" name="indoor-outdoor" checked> Indoor</label>
<label><input type="radio" name="indoor-outdoor"> Outdoor</label><br>
<label><input type="checkbox" name="personality" checked> Loving</label>
<label><input type="checkbox" name="personality"> Lazy</label>
<label><input type="checkbox" name="personality"> Energetic</label><br>
<input type="text" placeholder="cat photo URL" required>
<button type="submit">Submit</button>
</form>
</main>
Does it work?
I dont where to put the code which would run it. I already put the first code
It didn't
if can check: here it is: https://learn.freecodecamp.org/responsive-web-design/basic-css/use-an-id-attribute-to-style-an-element/
@taloloy18
Your form element should have the background-color of green.
where have you assigned the class that holds the green border property?
if you mean this:
#cat-photo-element{
background-color:green;
}well, that's a wrong ID :)
<form action="/submit-cat-photo" id="cat-photo-form">
in style
read carefully :wink:
I got it!!
thanks!!
:+1: :sparkles: happy coding :sparkles:
:-)
can someone check the link for me, some of my mates say they are seeing https error
i couldnt replicate the issue
@Marmiz Oh yes, the first half is C and the second half is webdev (HTML, JS, Python). Its great course.
@ezioda004 oh they changed syllabus. Back in my day was with PHP :)
你的图片应该包含一个指向猫咪图片的src属性。
这个怎么弄
sorry. I'm not Egyptian. we use letters here
Hey guys, just whacking up a quick portfolio to apply for some jobs
Do you think this is acceptable with a good cover letter or should I add some details to the site?
@AdamHJ123 u made padstowbreaks?
@diomed I did the front end yes
With Edge of the Web
helluva nice
what is Edge of the Web?
Cheers haha
Company I worked for
I got made redundant
btw. if that is your portfolio how will people contact you ? I see no contact data
@diomed Just wait until Opus goes live, that website is niiiiice
I'll only really be sending my portfolio to employers directly
then how will u find employers exactly?
Job postings
Finding companies I like and contacting them
Could I get some more opinions on my portfolio please?
"Over 1 years experience "
year's' is more then 1 right
Should I make it more specific?
I have 1 year and 2 months experience working in a web design and development agency
i think one year should be fine
Anything else?
I'm just trying to get this done quickly as I was made redundant
@PeterWebDev
the way you display the project is great,
Cheers
hmm what you reckon about responsive is some white text in the projects blending too much with the background?
My design skills are terrible for the most part
I realised the white writing can be hard to see on the ACE Adoption website so I darkened the overlay
Not really sure what else I can do without making the image ridiculously dark
yeh i being using shaes that that aswell, i just play around with it till is easy to read, but your design requires the client to see whats behind it in reponsive mode too so the requirement is different
mines click to overlay
so they know whats behind it
but im guessing your concept is to reduce the extra step
I'm not too keen on that functionality
I just need them to work as a link
yeh im not 100% keen on it either im pretty now so pretty limited in knowledge
new*
If I decide I want an extra step it'll be with Ajax to their own page
Not bad considering haha
I'm good when a design is provided haha
when i started learning and still worried i lack in design and creative skills
its like give me design and specs and ill build it
but making me come up with colour scheme and design is hard
Anywhere I've been, I've had a designer
but then if i want a job i need to at least make a presentable portfolio right
yeh same my current job i am making email templates
designs comes from designers
lol
Ahhh I hate emails haha
coding them sucks
Just reference other designs
Bug testing them sucks
All those tables
ahaha we stuff support email client like 2007 from 11 years ago
still*
in additional to all the different mobiles devices
Yea I've made a few emails haha
then in the mobile devices all the different andriod OS
I have a Samsung Galaxy S5, Gmail on that is the worst
well if you ever have an email bug... lol i spend too many years should of started learnign web dev long time ago
SOOOOO many bugs
new gmail is good and responsive
on now device
new*
I was building an email on the day I got made redundant haha
Coulda done with your experience then
did you know it was coming or did they surprise you
Surprised me
Weird timing though, I'd just finished my list of projects
Seems an odd coincidence
@PeterWebDev Would you mind reading through my coverletter once I've written it out? My English skills aren't amazing haha
my sucks too lol but sure, i am sleeping soon tho its 11pm, i have no clue how to write a good one i might even pay to get mine done
Fair play haha
1:55 here
13:55 rather
hello
Hey
Big O notation *
Analyzes the worst-case scenario of algorithms in terms of scalability and efficiency
Analyzes the best scenario of algorithms in terms of scalability and efficiency
Leads to the race condition
Relies on the definition of an infinite set of objects by a finite statement
Analyzes the worst-case scenario of algorithms in terms of scalability and efficiency
Analyzes the best scenario of algorithms in terms of scalability and efficiency
Leads to the race condition
Relies on the definition of an infinite set of objects by a finite statement
good now what is little o? :D
@Abott1222 Little o is omega and is the opposite of Big O - it stands for the best case & shortest possible runtime
(Big O - Upper bound, Little o - Lower bound)
@alpox :fire:
this chat has really quieted down. did everyone get a job already?? :P
can anyone help me with a css hover effect?
what help you need @mkenzie87
here is the code pen
ok
So what I need is a different hover on the nth-child
I can't give them each a class because its dynamic code
its a blog layout.
So if i hover over first image be blue, then red, yellow, green
then you need animatiom
no animation just a hover color effect
animation will be required if you need your image should be in blue, then red, then yellow n green
hi
its just when you hover on the image
any ideas?
Animation will be required whatever you do
without animation it will not change from blue to red to yellow to green
What is a secret in JWT?
encode/decode key
Oh thanks!
Should I use a different secret for each app?
only if you want your app to be secure
ideally you should never reuse an encryption key
Should I use the same one within an app
do you mean use the same key as your jwt secret, your bcryptjs secret, and all the other things you might need an encryption key for?
i think that would fall under 'reuse'
much like using the same password for every site you sign up for
Hey all!
I've come to a roadblock again regarding conditional (ternary) operators.
I'm trying to check if 2 numbers are equal or not
function checkEqual(a, b) {
return (a === b ? "a is equal to b" : "b is equal to a");
}
checkEqual(1, 1);
^^ That's my current code
<style type='text/sass'>
$radius:15px;
@mixen border-radius($radius){
-webkit-border-radius: $radius;
-moz-border-radius: $radius;
-ms-border-radius: $radius;
border-radius: $radius;
}
#awesome {
width: 150px;
height: 150px;
background-color: green;
}
div{
@include border-radius(15px);
}
</style>
<div id="awesome"></div>
@kdleonard93 What is the return value?
@hensn5250 well i run the tests and it doesnt give me a true or false value
it shouldn't, you didn't specify true or false in the values for the ternary statement
@eliascurran you mean
mixin?
yea
did you fix the spelling in your code already?
@hensn5250 I guess im not sure what you're asking
im doing it right now
@hensn5250 ahh ok 1 sec
@cmccormack thanks for the spelling correction i was doing everything right it was just my spelling, thnkx
Hi, guys. I just finished all the project and claimed my certificate are they going to check my project? And how can I phisically recieve the certificate ?
//Ternary syntax
// condition ? valueForTruthy : valForFalse
1 > 2 ? true : false; //returns false
a === b ? true : false ; // returns true when a == 1 and b == 1
@eliascurran :thumbsup:
@hensn5250 ok so im still at a loss. Where am i specifiying the true or false values, other than what i have in my above code?
@Geek-Killer go to your settings you can Claim your certifications there
@kdleonard93 ^^^
@cmccormack I did, and they gave me a digital certificate right away. Is that it ?
I mean they didn't check anything, they just gave it to me.
@hensn5250 perfect. I thought (from what i read in the lesson text) that the true false values had to be strings. Makes more sense naow. Thanks!
did you use their testing suite when you built the projects @Geek-Killer ?
@thekholm80 yep, I did.
did all the tests pass?
Yes.
sounds like you're all set then
Cool, was it the same for u ?
when i got my certs there wasn't even a testing suite
@thekholm80 did it take time for them to give it to u ?
@kdleonard93 the values that gets return is really an expression
my certs were issued as soon as i earned them
if you want a physical copy you'll have to print it yourself
@thekholm80 what do you think of the test suite learning wise. I think it kinda hurts creativity
@hensn5250 i tried it a bit, working on the new drum machine project. it felt awkward and restrictive, but i get that compromises have to be made.
i don't think there's a perfect solution for checking projects
Yes, thats the word i was looking for. It's very restrictive
before you just had the user stories, and i can't tell you how many times i thought i had a project finished and realized while turning it in that I missed some key portion
I found the drum machine tests actually make you build the react app in a less than optimal way
does any one know good disposable storage except for fire base, where in it will expose crud api for accessing and updating the data?
Same here , I totally understand why they went that route since FCC is so large
@cmccormack i got pretty annoyed by how they wanted my app structured so i never finished it
and i didn't want to try to hunt down my own sound clips
life's too short
I believe the example project uses direct DOM access to get the sound files. Why even use React if you're going to do that
i didn't look at the example project
did they at least use refs, or was it straight
document.getElementById() or querySelector()?
@thekholm80 if you ever need good and free sound effects via direct link, pacdv.com/sounds
@hensn5250 oh cool, thanks
no prob
This is the FCC Drum Machine example
Terrible use of React :D
playSound(e) {
const sound = document.getElementById(this.props.keyTrigger);
Yep
I understand that they have to refer to this element but please with
ref and not with getElementById
I had to use ref to get it to work but my original code didn't even need ref
[].slice.call(document.getElementsByClassName('clip')) rly :D
yikes
dunno why folks don't use codesandbox instead of codepen for react
Hmm didn't hear of that yet but it looks nice
i like that you have separate files and all that
Yea
But best is always local :D
I just got done listening to a podcast with the developer of codesandbox
local is great but sometimes i don't want to worry about hosting
made it for fun, now it's pretty big
it's freaking awesome
they've put a lot of love into it
repl.it has a react environment now, too. i'm gonna give it a try one of these days
For a simple react app codepen works fine, I still use it for quick testing just because I already have a bunch of stuff up there
i think i have as much on repl.it as i do on codepen now
:heart: their python3 environment
Have you tried Jupyter notebook for python?
i haven't
great if you want to test locally
i'm still a python noob
Check it out sometime, it's really handy for testing
omg ...
User Story #4: Within each .drum-pad, there should be an HTML5 audio element which has ...
this is not awesome
fortunately you can stick the audio tag in there and pass the tests without actually using it lol
lol worst UI to date
xD
haha
@thekholm80 I thought of doing that but couldn't bring myself to do it
i'm trying to decide if i want to try to polish this turd or not
got some CSS stuff you wanted to try?
mostly wanted to make it pass their tests
maybe grid?
i'm not a big fan
css makes my head hurt
Try out CSS-in-JS
maybe styled-components
practice man practice!
i don't want anyone to think i know css or they might expect me to write it
that's a rabbit hole i don't want to go down
yeah but you could at least create a button for your drum! haha
better? lol
yes
although you should offset your margin by -borderwidth
nothing's ever good enough for you
why can't you accept me for who i am?
I'm great at judging, not so much at doing :joy:
i think if my code is pretty enough, the UI doesn't matter lol
You do realize you're coding for a visual medium right? haha
sigh
here's mine, barely more CSS than yours haha codepen
showoff
:joy:
nah, looks good
maybe i should put a little lipstick on this pig
I'm growing to enjoy working with CSS more and more lately, especially with the new FCC projects giving me a reason to build in normal CSS/JS/HTML
when i first started i really enjoyed it. i loved working with sass, then scss and putting real effort into it
Yeah it does seem to get in the way of progress when you're trying to knock out project after project
my first JS projects like calc and simon I spent more time on the design than the coding
hi everyone, how would you pass the results from one function to a callback? I'm trying this:
and now my drum machine has almost nothing haha
when i started back end i realized how much i liked writing algos and the css kind of fell by the wayside. i don't want to go back and re-learn it all
@lmilliken pass it in the callback
function somefunc( callback ) {
var somestring = "test"
callback(somestring)
}
@cmccormack , what about the returned object from somefunc?
@thekholm80 I've been catching up on the HTTP 203 podcast recently and they made me realize how complicated and granular frontend is
@lmilliken
var returnedValue = someFunc()
@lmilliken store the result of the function invocation in a variable
Yeah like @thekholm80 said
so for your code it would be something like
var myPerson = Person.findById(personID)
only i'm assuming that operation is async, so you'll have to take that into account
how would I make it synchronous?
You can use async await, or just use callbacks like in my first example
you wouldn't. generally you'd just chain onto the operation, like:
Person.findById(personID).then(myPerson => { console.log(myPerson) });
You rarely want to use synchronous if there is an async option
async / await is my favorite by far
reads so much cleaner
It's so great for DB stuff!
right?
I just started using it on the backend for that and love it
no more callback hell
cool, thanks. I'll start reading up on that
sideways pyramids and callbacks drive me nuts
and promise chains
the only thing i dislike is error handling ... i wish there were a better solution other than try / catch blocks
best thing about async await is how it removes the fatigue of chasing down where an error occurs
you can call
.catch on the return from an async function
out of curiousity, why does the .then promise work but not this
Person.findById(personId, (returnedPerson)=>{console.log("Person2: " + returnedPerson)})
i do that some, but some methods don't return promises so
catch() was failing
@cmccormack specifically when working with jsonwebtoken's verify method,
catch() was failing
it would throw an error if the verify failed, but since it's not a promise i had to use a try/catch block to catch it
@lmilliken is that correct? Shoulldn't error come first in your callback parameters?
@thekholm80 maybe return Promise.reject if it fails?
i'm guessing whichever library is being used has been updated to promises over callbacks
@cmccormack i ended up doing this:
let userId;
try {
const { _id } = jwt.verify(cookies.bookclub, JWT_SECRET);
userId = _id;
} catch (e) {
userId = false;
}
i hate the scope issues it causes, too, but what are you going to do?
I thought callbacks didn't need error parameters?
@lmilliken I'm not certain what your error was when using callbacks sorry
@lmilliken which library is
findById() coming from? mongoose? mongodb?
i assume mongoose
yes, Mongoose, working my way through this : https://learn.freecodecamp.org/apis-and-microservices/mongodb-and-mongoose/perform-classic-updates-by-running-find-edit-then-save/
oh, it does accept a callback
Model.findById()
Parameters
id «Object|String|Number» value of _id to query by
[projection] «Object|String» optional fields to return, see Query.prototype.select()
[options] «Object» optional see Query.prototype.setOptions()
[callback] «Function»
Returns:
«Query»
it looks like the first callback arg should be err
Adventure.findById(id, 'name length', function (err, adventure) {});
Yes, it's working now! Thank you! How does the document indicate that the first callback argument should be an error?
if you look at their example code, the callbacks they're passing say
, function (err, doc) { ... }
so when the callback is called it will take 2 args. if there's no error, the call will be something like
callback(null, doc)
ah ok, thanks
i feel like you're trying to get me to learn more design
lol
well maybe with these 7 tricks you too can be a designer!
hang on, gotta update my linkdin
haha
why didn't i think
toUpperCase() instead of stupid regex? weird
document.addEventListener('keypress', event => {
if (event.key.toUpperCase() === this.props.trigger) {
this.playSound();
};
}); document.addEventListener('keypress', event => {
const regex = RegExp('[' + this.props.trigger + ']', 'i');
if (regex.test(event.key)) {
this.playSound();
};
});
I was wondering what that was haha
i feel about regex the same as i feel about css lol
it's weird my mind went there first
it is weird... you feeling alright?
i got the fire in me now- 4/9 certs done
maybe i can finish my pinterest clone next
Is that one in the interview section?
it's a legacy project
specifically, Legacy Back End Project
they moved all the good projects to Interview Prep
i got started on it, but i couldn't find a clean way to use passport with graphql so i put it aside
doesn't graphql sit in between your db and the user?
kind of, it replaces REST, SOAP, CRUD style apis for me
you expose a single endpoint for your front to talk to your back
it's pretty neat
couldn't you do a one-for-one call for login then?
the user stories require Twitter login so either i build my own OAUTH or try to shoehorn passport in
maybe someone has built another wrapper for it, i haven't looked
I used passport with twitter on my last project if you want a link to it
but no graphql sorry
no need to use graphql for everything... i mean u can create another endpoint for auth
i know, but i still dislike it lol
i think i used passport-local with graphql for another project, it just feels weird
:wave:
@bjorno43 hi bob
Yo
What is the difference between Math.ceil(x)
And return Math.trunc(x)+1?
I tried them both in CodeFights but it seems that Math.ceil works while the second method doesn't work.
Math.trunc() removes all numbers after a ., Math.ceil() returns the smallest integer greater than or equal to a given number
so
Math.trunc(1.1) will be 1 but Math.ceil(1.1) will be 2. using the + 1 is all good until you get a number without a decimal, then Math.trunc(1) + 1 will be 2 but Math.ceil(1) will be 1
Aww, then that's why I failed in the test by using that method.
Well, thank you!
:+1:
Can anyone help me with api call function please?
probably
export let exercisesArr;
export default class Exercise {
costructor(query){
this.query = query;
}
async getExercises(){
try{
const res = await axios('https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dbsimeonov/fitme-today/master/src/data/exercises.json');
this.result = res.data.exercises;
exercisesArr = res.data.exercises;
console.log(exercisesArr);
}catch(err){
console.log(err);
}
}
}
And also I'm not sure that my json is correct.. !here
weird, i've never seen axios called like that
axios.get() for get requests, axios.post() for post requests, etc
your api data is huge lol but it looks okay to me
I don't know about the
axios, first time I use it tru npm and saw this way on uDemy Course :smile: :smile:
i love axios
I think I'm trying to do it way too complicated for myself with those
promises, I will try again simplified. After that might build a function to build the markup with constructor ?
remember that
constructor only gets called once, when the class gets instantiated - so you only want to put things in there that are relevant to the creation of the class instance
hmm can you recommend me a way of using the data for my markup? for ex. to call each of those elements and apply
this.title, this.img etc because the way I'm thinking will be way too long and wrong
could anyone assist me on this @thekholm80 @dbsimeonov
@dbsimeonov i'm not 100% sure what you mean - do you want to populate from the api data?
@coderkarma did you visit https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/recover-data-following-unexpected-shutdown/ ?
unclean shutdown.
@thekholm80 yes, so from the api I want to take the data, and create
html elements for each of the data objects
yes i did visited but still.....
briefly I know how to do it with
html templates just don't know how to form a function to take my data after the axios call
hmm ... i wish your api returned an array of exercises instead of just an object
I was thinking about that, but did not know exactly how to structure it.
or you mean only the exercises
object to be an array ?
yeah
just a sec i'm playing with it to see what i can come up with
const bodyPartNames = Object.keys(data.exercises);
bodyPartNames.map(bodyPartName => {
const bodyPart = data.exercises[bodyPartName];
const exerciseNames = Object.keys(bodyPart);
const exercises = exerciseNames.map(name => bodyPart[name]);
....
});
yeah
@alpox @thekholm80 thanks a lot!
@dbsimeonov Had to update it ;)
@dbsimeonov is there a reason you're using classes?
Not really, thats what I saw from google :shipit:
I generally try to avoid classes in javascript. They don't add much good :D
it really complicates things lol
But (!!!) Only if you know how to make good design patterns with functions
So after I have the data from
exercise I can use something like html template string and pass the data I want?
couple of days ago I figure out what
webpack is, and now trying to keep up with the new things but noticed its been a big step
i'm really not sure what you're trying to do
So I will try to display all exercises to the user applied with the same
boxes
are you using a template engine like ejs or handlebars?
And probably with option to filter them
Newbie here. First time hear of those 2
are you building a web site?
Yes
how are you putting your JS data onto the DOM?
@dbsimeonov If you use a framework, use what the framework provides you. If you don't, it gets more nasty. You then can use html template strings for creating the html markup and set the innerHTML (not that nice) jquery also gives you the option with
I also suggest you to think about Html Templates
.html.I also suggest you to think about Html Templates
@thekholm80 I'm making my functions (custom) to render the elements
@alpox Classes don't add much good? After I learned OOP I try to use it everywhere I can, lol
classes are awesome in OOP languages
@bjorno43 You go there and then back :D
classes in JS are less than awesome
@bjorno43 I started programming with OOP and did it for years, but i'm glad I do not anymore
@dbsimeonov so you're just going to use vanilla JS to manipulate the DOM?
@thekholm80 yes
i'm not saying that's good or bad, just trying to get an idea of what's going on
@alpox You went on to functional programming or back to procedural?
i did a project in just JS, it was interesting
Of course, they allow you to structure your code nicely and build good patterns with them, but they also complicate stuff which should not be.
Say only for proper testability, you need too many design patterns thrown together.
Say only for proper testability, you need too many design patterns thrown together.
@bjorno43 on to functional programming
Where state does not change randomly and I do not need hour long debugging sessions :D
In that case I understand :D
I love OOP in python
it feels right
In javascript, I can use enough functional programming patterns for that I do not need classes - and make things much easier like this actually
I use OOP in C# (obviously, you have no choice there) and in PHP
you had me until you said C# and PHP
:joy:
@bjorno43 Ye, I started with C# :D
Back when I started it was HTML, Javascript, PHP and MySQL, ghehe
i remember the 80s too
xD
okay, 90s
let's be fair
Ye true. In the 80s we didn't even know about the interwebs :P
I started with PHP for the web world... ugh was that ugly
not me, straight to JS
but i did a lot of BASIC
@thekholm80 When I started with web, JS was not such a big thing :D used only for some few scripting
Damn in those days I was playing winter olympics on my amazing commadore xD
i was a Ultima addict on my commodore lol
lol guys, from how long you've been doing this?
Way.. way too long @dbsimeonov
i've only been (sort of) serious about programming for about a year
@dbsimeonov Uhm, web or programming?
Programming for now about 10 years
web maybe 5
uhh definitely long way to go
Erm.. web for me about 16 years.. programming I think around 8 - 10 years
@bjorno43 Thats quite some time :D
And a question which might annoy you, how did you learn the basics? On your own, books, courses , practise with projects?
i did a bunch of stuff in VBA for about 4 years for work, but I don't really count that because it's VBA
@dbsimeonov I made an education for informatics, but actually it didn't teach me much. I learned generally myself
Ye I know. Mostly self taught. I've only recently finished my master as software engineer @alpox Though imho that sounds much more like an achievment than it really is, ghehe
hmm thanks really, thats kind of motivation for me
@bjorno43 I feel you :D i'm now on my bachelor in CS, but don't feel like it teached me much
Although its quite stressful at times
Got bit depressed after applying on 50 jobs for Junior position, and only 2 of them called and kind of failed(and they were agencies)
Congratulations for your master :) @bjorno43
Ye. Once you get there and you go out in the real world.. you soon realise that all you rly know is the tip of the iceberg, lol]
@alpox Thanks!
@bjorno43 Yep thats true ^^ I am glad I had practice before I started with university. Most people there cannot program much, even after the degree
@bjorno43 oh dang, i didn't know you were all formally educated, congrats
@thekholm80 Ghehe thanks m8! I finished it last summer ^^
@alpox i've heard some horror stories about CS grads struggling to do Hello_World
@bjorno43 I still wonder if it would be worth it to do the master or if I should just stay as bachelor :D
@alpox Yup, that's definitely true
@alpox It's worth it as it opens up a lot of doors to get a job. But not rly as to learn new stuff
Hmm I feel like I can already get most jobs :D
But maybe you are right
I'll see again in a year - before that I cannot start my masters anyways. It should be possible parttime
Well I can only talk from my experience here in the Netherlands. I can't say for other countries
But I won't go back to not earning
Okay :D I don't know the differences. I'm here in switzerland
Ah cool :)
the folks i've talked to here say get your masters if you want to manage, if you want to write code it's not needed
Well what actually did help me a lot, was getting ISTQB certified
Never heard of it :D
It doesn't rly have anything to do with programming as that's software testing. But you'll learn a lot about Agile development and how to properly test software at each stage in development. And companies are very happy with ppl that are certified for it
I thought I might not want to do the master because I just HATE writing. (Thesis etc.) I LOVE writing code, but not all that crappy "blabla"
Hmm that sounds useful indeed. I might take a look at it
@alpox Ye and getting the certification isn't that hard. If I remember correctly there are only 60 multiplechoice questions and you're allowed to make 15 mistakes
open book?
@bjorno43 Sounds like the cert for microsoft i did
Microsoft Certified Professional
That also had lots of multiplechoice and some mistakes allowed like that
Not sure. There are many companies out there that teach ISTQB. They provided me with the book for free so it's possibly somewhere online
@bjorno43 :wave:
@mstellaluna :wave:
@bjorno43 Ah cool :D i'll look into it. Thanks!
But now, first things first, writing my thesis to end until the end of july :D
Ghehe good luck @alpox !
Thanks :)
^^
oh wow, it doesn't expire?
Nope
back when i started looking into certs they all had shelf-lives
i couldn't see spending hundreds of dollars every few years just to say "i know this"
Ye true
@bjorno43 I'm looking at a sample test for the foundation level
Looks fairly easy
Without reading anything up, it seems like I can properly solve more than half of it
@alpox Ye it's doable
@bjorno43 I'll probably do that sometime :D
Okay, thanks again, and good night
I didn't bother progressing after Foundation Level. I'm a programmer, not a software tester. I just wanted something to show that I at least understand how it works, that's all
@alpox Gn8 m8
@alpox g'night