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    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    If you know someone who is interested in a career change, please share!
    To give you an idea, the Red Hat content is sufficient to train to attain the Red Hat Certified Engineer level.
    jsawaya
    @jsawaya
    I've added many new features to the opensource EigenFrame GitHub repository (Prolog inference engine).
    Interest in demo?
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    Sure!
    We have a KYOSS meeting this week, right?
    jsawaya
    @jsawaya
    Wednesday 6:30 -- Deven, BlueJeans virtual meeting?
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    Hey @InfoSec812 can you setup a blue jeans for tomorrow?
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    Sorry, I was away in a cabin in Tennessee!
    Justin Pitts
    @justinpitts
    Hey @jsquyres I just got a recruiter email for an MPI gig in Maryland. Know anyone who's looking?
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    Cool! I don't know anyone who is looking offhand, though. What's the opprotunity?
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    FYI, Red Hat now has a VERY active Twitch channel where you can stream information/training around Kubernetes and Cloud Native. If you join the LIVE sessions, you can ask questions of the engineers who work on the platforms. twitch.tv/redhatopenshift
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812

    Please be aware that we have changed the link for the Java Users Group Lunch-n-Learn today:

    To join the meeting on a computer or mobile phone:

    https://bluejeans.com/142879488?src=calendarLink

    Want to test your video connection?
    https://bluejeans.com/111

    Meeting will start at 12PM EST (GMT-4)

    The KYOSS Meeting Tonight will use the following links:

    https://bluejeans.com/440125621?src=calendarLink

    Want to test your video connection?
    https://bluejeans.com/111

    Dennis Field
    @ftab
    :wave:
    Chris Simmons
    @chrissimmons2
    Hello All!
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    Heloo Chris!
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    Hello KYOSS!
    Dennis Field
    @ftab
    great stuff. I love Ansible. I use it to set up my Kubernetes clusters everywhere I work. this'll break Deven's heart, because it's not Openshift (yet?), it's kubespray... but it's easy enough for me now, after it took me a year or two to get used to.
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    I'm not a zealot @ftab. Use what works for you. One thing that DOES break my heart is that Red Hat is not great at helping Small/Medium businesses with our products, so many smaller shows may use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but nothing else because many of the products we support require consulting assistance to get up and running. Our consulting is NOT cheap, and that makes us out of reach to a lot of customers. :(
    Chris Simmons
    @chrissimmons2
    A few questions for the KyOSS group. I'm in the process of learning more about containers and I'm starting to feel comfortable tinkering with docker. Here are the questions that I have.
    1. Is docker the best tool to learn starting out?
    2. Which orchestration tools should I learn, beyond docker and docker-compose for deploying the containers? Furthermore, which should I avoid?
    3. What is the ideal distribution for running your containers? Currently I have an RPi running Hyriot and an Ubuntu 20.04 VM on a VMWare host. Considering Debian rather than Ubuntu but looking for other recommendations as well.
    4. Is a dockerswarm or kubernetes cluster necessary if I only have a single VM host to run my containers on? I plan on building out one or both to learn the ins and outs but for containers I want to rely on, would it be best to run it on a single stable VM or across the swarm/cluster if all on single underlying hardware?

    I know I'll have more but wanted to get feedback from the group as I know this has probably been a topic of discussion many times over the last few years.

    Lastly for the next meetup, would someone be willing to discuss the ramification of Kubernetes dropping docker support in the future? What will be supporting in its place? I've drug my feet on this and now trying to get up to speed so any input is appreciated.

    Dennis Field
    @ftab

    I have no experience with swarm or compose, but I have used Docker for a while, and I can say that Kubernetes helps me even on a single node cluster.

    The ecosystem built around it has automated and abstracted out a lot of things I used to have to piece together and manually do myself. Automating the SSL cert process, DNS updating with DDoS protection & CDN providers like Cloudflare, creating storage replicated across the cluster where possible, setting up databases and web apps in one step that used to each have their own way to install, and it was a pain to get more than one of them running on the same server, etc.

    It may be a lot of overhead for a getting started test / dev environment, and has a bit of a learning curve, but that learning of how to deploy an app on even a single node can pretty seamlessly scale and translate to a production environment with many nodes.

    I'm partial to Debian and its descendants, but I hear good things about CoreOS / Container Linux / now Fedora CoreOS? (Maybe getting that wrong) I've just used Debian for many years and I'm familiar with how to tinker with it when things go wrong

    As I understand it, the upcoming removal of Docker from Kubernetes does not mean that it won't still run containers built with Docker. Docker will still be useful for developing apps that run on Kubernetes. I could be wrong.

    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    Join the @JUGGLou group and learn more about @QuarkusIO with @argntprgrmr on Wednesday at 12PM EST (GMT-4) https://www.meetup.com/JUGGLou/events/dmwqbsycccbjb/ #Meetup via @Meetup
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    @InfoSec812 Per the K8s/Docker question above: you wanna talk about that at the upcoming KYOSS meeting?
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    @jsquyres Sorry for the slow response. I don't check Gitter very often (though I should!). We can certainly discuss the removal of Docker Engine from K8S if people are interested.
    It's not that interested in the grand scheme of things because it really has almost no impact on anyone except those installing/configuring Kubernetes. Developers who use docker or publish containers or whatever, have no need to change anything.
    Eric Lathrop
    @ericlathrop:matrix.org
    [m]
    👋Hello from Matrix!
    Chris Simmons
    @chrissimmons2
    Thanks for all the feedback on my question above about Docker. Sorry I missed the meeting last week as well as my lack of response to your responses. I'm making decent strides with Docker, Kubernetes, and some of the other technologies around containerization.
    I think that is a pretty smart move on RedHat's part.
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    Spring Reactive and WebFlux with Edson Yanaga is in progress: https://bluejeans.com/142879488?
    Chris
    @katkiller_twitter
    yo
    Deven Phillips
    @InfoSec812
    Hallo
    FYI, we have set up a placeholder web site at https://kyoss.dev/ until we (hopefully) are able to recover and re-instate the kyoss.org domain.
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    Note, too, that we lost the old mailing list. If you were on the old KYOSS discuss mailing list, we no longer have a way to contact you. We have a new mailing list (Google Group) -- please sign up here: https://groups.google.com/a/kyoss.dev/g/kyoss-discuss
    alan blount
    @zeroasterisk
    hello again - lurking and testing waters
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    He's back! Hello Alan!!
    William Lindley
    @wlindley_gitlab
    So I tried the "Sign in with gitlab" method, apparently "oauth2" but from the warning i am concerned that gives this website readability to my private repositories on gitlab, or other stuff that isn't publicly accessible, or that it lets gitter modify — well, anything — on gitlab on my account?
    which is why i prefer IRC, it's entirely unconnected from everything: for security.
    William Lindley
    @wlindley_gitlab
    if this works for folks, tho, all's good .
    Joshua Stelly
    @jdstelly
    Can Wranglers and Conveners be made co-organizers of the Meet-Up group so we can post discussions? Part of my wranglin' duties entails soliciting presentations on both the mailing list and meet-up group. I figured the discussions area would be a good place to do that for the meet-up group.
    Jeff Squyres
    @jsquyres
    Done! I added Josh and Ida. It doesn't look like William Lindley has a Meetup account.
    William Lindley
    @wlindley_gitlab
    I do not. (not just "Trump supporters" (not me, particularly) but being opposed to supporting domestic terrorism; c.f. https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/16/trump-supporters-boycott-meetup-after-company-creates-resist-groups-makes-its-politics-known/ )
    Joshua Stelly
    @jdstelly
    @jsquyres Thanks.
    William Lindley
    @wlindley_gitlab
    Meeting went well, some new folks, thanks Joshua for getting things put together, thanks Deven et al for the pizza, to Ben and Liang for presentations of interest to all and good discussions.
    William Lindley
    @wlindley_gitlab
    Has anyone been to the Micro Center in (north) Cincinnati? I haven't been to a proper 'computer store' since I left Chicago (5 years ago) and one trip to Fry's in Phoenix (3 years ago just before they went pffft; the shelves were long bare).
    Joshua Stelly
    @jdstelly
    Finally took a moment to look at that demo that Michael had mentioned (Area 5150) during the last meeting. I can't fully appreciate it, but if this is done on a factory IBM 5150, then that is pretty amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xJZ9I4iqg8