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    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    I think we should also add something explicit about advocating for Markdown in the data intro lesson. I have a file I have created in Markdown that includes different-sized headings, a bulleted list, a numbered list, some bold and italic text, a web link and an image. I show them that in Markdown. I then pandoc it and open the file as an HTML page, a PDF and a formatted Word document. It really gets their attention as they can see the time-saving aspect. I then point them to the Prog Hist tutorial. I do say that, as librarians, they should be advocating for the texts of the future to be machine readable, and they do get that. Happy to work this up as a lesson segment if people think it has value. I usually get good feedback about it in the the notes.
    Joel Nothman
    @jnothman
    I like the sound of it. :) I think it would be great to see something similar in the SWC frameworks. It makes a lot of sense for writing research notes and even paper drafts. The main problem with markdown is the diversity of implementations and extensions. You basically need to tie markdown to pandoc.
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Well, markdown and pandoc are what the PH website teach and they make a good combo - as does Markdown with GitHub pages. We need to get scholcomm advocates behind this too. PDF madness reigns in journal-land - another reason why journal publishing is broken !
    Joel Nothman
    @jnothman
    What is PH?
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Programming Historian
    All kinds of lessons
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    We still have an issue with intro to data @drjwbaker - in this quiz, we expect people to know that {2,4} denotes a range but we haven't taught that yet. https://data-lessons.github.io/library-data-intro/06-quiz-answers/
    So when people have to choose between {2-4} and {2,4} for a range they think it should be the hyphenated one.
    Should be in the list.
    I am going to add some extra bits to regex - we need to include that, and also \i for case insensitivity.
    But not today - teaching two full days tomorrow - SWC instructor training to 23 people !
    James Baker
    @drjwbaker

    @weaverbel http://data-lessons.github.io/library-data-intro/04-regular-expressions/

    {VALUE} matches the preceding character the number of times defined by VALUE; ranges can be specified with the syntax {VALUE,VALUE}

    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    OK, thanks @drjwbaker but that is actually a bit ambiguous and I didn't read it that way at all when I saw it. Wiser now, of course, but the way I (erroneously) read that, I thought it meant the actual value was the first VALUE and the number of times it should repeat was the second VALUE Not explaining it well but I guess I thought it would work out as {\d,4} which is obviously nonsense but I had no idea you were conveying a range of NUMBERS OF TIMES. Maybe I am an idiot but if I can get confused, so can other people. As with all these things, I think an example is worth gold and we need to put an example for most of these as they are pretty challenging. And clearing up any ambiguity is worth doing.
    Anyway I get it now which is good if I am teaching it and I will make a point of pointing it out.
    Juliane Schneider
    @JulianeS_twitter
    I've got an idea for a lesson plan that cropped up because of a variety of conversations in several contexts about the same problem: namely, the difficulty of installing new programs/software etc. on Windows machines. This has been a bugbear in the Bash LC lessons, and even occasionally for OpenRefine.
    What if we developed a lesson on Windows installation? To make clear the fact that it is a trial and error process at the best of times, and to bring home the fact that it isn't because you are stupid - even intermediate/advanced Windows users have to devote time and research and troubleshooting to get something installed and working correctly.
    I'd like to develop a lesson that covers basic Windows file structure, where you should put the programs you are installing and why, the research process for finding answers to error messages, and the troubleshooting process. Have learners install the programs they would be using in future LC lessons, and maybe go through a VM installation, just to show them how a multi-program install works, and how the order in which you install things can be critical to making the end result work properly?
    Yes? No?
    Juliane Schneider
    @JulianeS_twitter
    We could have a whiteboarding exercise where we take a horrible set of install instructions and translate them as a group into actual people-language instructions.
    Oooh, we could get them to install Jeckyll....er, never mind. OK, I'ma put down the coffee now.
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Hi @ostephens couldn't make the CrossRef thign work - will advise
    James Baker
    @drjwbaker
    @JulianeS_twitter So, you want to make the installation and data download part of the shell lesson? Or a new lesson on Windows?
    Janice Chan
    @icecjan
    So I put my hand up to be one of the SQL lesson maintainers, but I don't seem to have permission to merge PRs. Can someone please give me write access? Thanks :)
    James Baker
    @drjwbaker
    @icecjan You should have an invite now!
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Hi @ostephens scratch my last comment - it was my own inability to read instructions!
    Janice Chan
    @icecjan
    Thanks @drjwbaker
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Hi @JulianeS_twitter You are very brave with that idea! Or what politicians call 'courageous' - and we all know what that means - certifiable, looney, batsh*t crazy. I don't know that we need a Windows thing so much as just a digital tune up of how to download a file and know how to find it, how to install a program, how to get Chrome installed on your system if you haven't already, how to open multiple tabs in a browser (yes, I know, lame, but I have HAD THAT PROBLEM on the roadshow).
    Also lots of enthusiasm at the roadshow for my cyber security stuff - this is just an off the cuff five minutes where I tell them to get wise and help their customers wise up too. I email my 21 point plan to them later.
    Richard Vankoningsveld
    @richyvk
    @JulianeS_twitter @weaverbel I second the idea of a tuneup lesson, with a focus on getting things installed on Win could be good. Interesting that you mention where things should be installed etc. This could have linux/mac stuff too, and you could (perhaps) mention things like Homebrew for mac. Dare I say even talk about $PATH :)
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Noooooo
    carmi cronje
    @ccronje
    Hi @jt14den can you help me out please? How would you incorporate previewing in Jekyll (http://swcarpentry.github.io/lesson-example/05-checking/) into this workflow? http://www.tim-dennis.com/swc/2016/07/25/contributing-carpentries.html
    Tim Dennis
    @jt14den
    @ccronje , sorry! I've been bad on gitter ;(
    Tim Dennis
    @jt14den
    i updated that blog entry to include the jykll stuff http://www.tim-dennis.com/swc/2016/07/25/contributing-carpentries.html
    though i seemed to creamed my template :)
    ironic
    carmi cronje
    @ccronje
    Thanks @jt14den! I'll give it a trial run soon :+1: WRT your template check out poole/hyde#206 (hope it helps!)
    Tim Dennis
    @jt14den
    @ccronje thanks! all fixed now
    jamie jamison
    @jmjamison
    I don't know if this would be useful for anyone else. First time I had to fork someone's repository I was somewhat terrified of breaking something. I found a handy tutorial and sample repo to fork - the Spoon and Fork repository at https://guides.github.com/activities/forking/. It walks you through the process of contributing to a project.
    Janice Chan
    @icecjan
    @jmjamison that's great! thanks for sharing that. it's useful!
    Juliane Schneider
    @JulianeS_twitter
    Hmmm.....could this start to replace OpenRefine? https://cloud.google.com/dataprep/
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Not free though @JulianeS_twitter
    Juliane Schneider
    @JulianeS_twitter
    Ah, that's the catch
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    New issue raised on the Git lesson - we probably need to have the conversation that we should have had post-sprint about what this lesson is/should be data-lessons/library-git#58
    Belinda Weaver
    @weaverbel
    Tim Dennis
    @jt14den
    For the SA workshop, I look @weaverbel's open refine lesson exercises handout and put up in hacked.io, my fav new markdown tool https://hackmd.io/KwUwTADAjAZgJjAtDALPRKCGUBGiCcc+AHIgMYQDsMZYAbCmfnQMxA==
    *I took
    Many thanks @weaverbel
    James Baker
    @drjwbaker
    @jt14den did you print and hand out?
    Tim Dennis
    @jt14den
    I taught from it, no hand out