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    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    This room also looks like dead
    Russ
    @russwfranklin
    True
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    dont pause just play
    @Kayzo008_twitter
    ive downloaded MAINFRAMES OS MAC and apple cant open it because it cant verify software
    webersson
    @webersson
    where could i find the app id of uniswap?
    east-wind-dapp
    @east-wind-dapp
    hello
    Russ
    @russwfranklin
    What happened to the Mainframe dev forum?
    webersson
    @webersson
    Just tried Mainframe OS. How could I add other dapps? For example Uniswap or Maker CDP. Are they not availlable yet? I have only "Payments" and "Noted". Are these the only dapps at this point?
    ...And another question: Is Mainframe relying on Infura as well? Like Metamasj?
    east-wind-dapp
    @east-wind-dapp
    ???
    seems dead project
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam
    Hi, we’ve been focusing on some other project over the pas few months, as you can read in Mick’s blog post: https://blog.mainframe.com/mainframe-credit-protocol-unlocking-economic-freedom-financial-access-for-all-753a9590692f
    Because of this shift in focus we had to pull resources away from Mainframe OS, notably the maintenance of some apps we used to provide such as Uniswap, and the development of the core OS itself. We’re still actively working on Erebos though, which is a core component of Mainframe OS so once we’re able to allocate more resources on it, it will be from a good place.
    @russwfranklin I don’t remember ever having a dev forum, are you referring to the community forum we had? If so we shut it down to use this channel instead.
    @webersson Yes we’re using Infura to interact with Ethereum, though eventually we’ll provide a way for the user to select another provider
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam
    Regarding the macOS error, you should be able to allow running Mainframe OS by opening the System Preferences > Security and Privacy window
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    @PaulLeCam Does Voltaire release as scheduled? End of 4Q
    Rg
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam
    No, we’re not focusing on MFOS releases as our focus is on the credit protocol
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    Then, need to update to community. Voltaire is on roadmap so team should notice to us.. Woking hard is important but need to update bc roadmap is some kind of promise to community
    Blue Stitch (Andreas)
    @Bluestitch__twitter
    Hello, any Mainframe team member available right now?
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    Rob
    @Robsonsjre
    I'm here
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    Is the project going well? @PaulLeCam you said that Voltaire delayed to focus on credit protocol then can we expect some product related to credit protocol? This is room for developers I know but it is the only channel for asking to the team memeber. No update for tweet, medium post(credit protocol article updated in Nov I know but we want to know the overall status of the project) and even Mick do not visit tg group for a long time. People in tg group dissapointing about the communication.
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    I also worry that team stop developing Mainframe OS,, You guys start with decentralized chat app, but forgive that and then change focus on OS, but now also change focus to Credit protocol.. I also share the vision about web3, but you guys change the way too frequently to reach that vision.. It seems like that you do not have clear plan
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    Project seems like dead, very dissapointing
    localethereum.com
    @localethereum_twitter
    Hi, what's the status of Mainframe OS?
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam
    Hi, we’ll make announcements related to the credit protocol when we have something ready to show. Our focus is on making a viable proof of concept before we can move things further.
    Regarding Mainframe OS, we’re not actively working on it at the moment but still intend to focus back on it when we can, because our plan is the same as it’s been since we started: get people to use decentralised technologies.
    We started focusing on messaging because that’s what we had experience with and thought the decentralised infrastructure would allow us to build this, but as we started to dig deeper into the problems we’d have to solve, we realised we would need to build lot of “platform-level” functionalities (such as identities and contacts management, storage, application updates...) even before we can get to messaging, this is why we started building Mainframe OS to support not only messaging, but also other types of applications.
    Now as you may be aware, the whole “web3" movement that seemed all the rage when we started working on Mainframe OS hasn’t reached much end-user traction, so our current focus on decentralised finance is with the hope it can be a more straight-forward way to attract users. We still intend to build a whole decentralised platform around it as we can, but first we need to get enough users to make it relevant providing such a platform.
    I hope that answers your questions.
    Mr.Kim
    @duffiekan_twitter
    Thanks for replying
    localethereum.com
    @localethereum_twitter
    @PaulLeCam what do you mean by messaging? Are you building something akin to Whisper?
    My 2c: Mainframe OS hasn't seen end-user traction because (a) no big apps are built on it, because they're waiting for a confirmed stable platform & SDK (incl us); and (b) (following,) end-users haven't heard about it
    BTW, does MainframeOS support the bzz:// scheme natively?
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam

    About messaging, we started using PSS (https://swarm-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dapp_developer/index.html#pss) in our first PoC, that offers real-time messaging capabilities using the Swarm network.
    The downside is that it requires running a Swarm node so until adaptive nodes (ethersphere/SWIPs#12) are supported, we're using a Swarm gateway and feeds (https://swarm-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dapp_developer/index.html#feeds) for asynchronous communication.

    Regarding end-user traction there's a classic bootstrapping problem between the constraints of getting users in order to be interesting for developers, and having developers create compelling apps to attract users. Eventually we want to build compelling apps ourselves, but for this we need to build a solid foundation at the platform/SDK level.
    One of the difficulties in that regard is moving from proof-of-concept implementations to "future-proof" protocols we need to define, implement and experiment with. This is something we're doing with the wider Swarm community because we hope these protocols can be used not only in Mainframe OS, but generic to decentralised apps using Swarm.

    About supporting the bzz:// protocol it's not something we intend to do in Mainframe OS because the protocols we aim to provide are higher-level, but it would be nice to have it supported in browsers such as Brave for example, where it could be more relevant.

    localethereum.com
    @localethereum_twitter
    Ah, I misunderstood how app/html delivery works. It's more of an app store model; I package my app in the same way I package an extension and submit it to a Mainframe OS marketplace?
    This is why I asked the question about bzz.
    localethereum.com
    @localethereum_twitter
    On future-proof, do you think the SDKs/APIs are locked-in enough for a large DApp to begin creating a Mainframe interface? Or is there a refactoring in the near future that'll render work today useless? Also, how is the security looking?
    Have there been audits?
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam

    Apps are built using Web technologies and run in a WebView, but yes they need to be packaged so the assets are downloaded by Mainframe OS when the app is installed.
    Eventually we would provide a marketplace that would be useful to discover apps, but apps can be installed simply by providing their unique ID.

    At the moment the platform and SDK are not future-proof, this is an ongoing process made of different moving parts such as the infrastructure (Ethereum and Swarm) possibilities and limitations, defining data structures and obviously the security constraints.
    I think the current state of Mainframe OS and the SDK is good to get familiar with the ecosystem and build test apps, but they will likely be subject too many changes before we reach a stable version. I don't think any work you could to today would be rendered useless from a version to the next as the interactions flow should mostly stay the same, but actual calls to the SDK would likely need to be updated.
    There has been no audit so far but it's something we'll likely do when reaching a first stable version.

    rigel ibn dioscoro ibn dionisio
    @rigel_carin_twitter
    is there a browser in mainframeOS?
    Paul Le Cam
    @PaulLeCam
    No, for privacy reasons Mainframe OS runs apps locally and Web requests need to be whitelisted.
    Y₿
    @PLOflips_twitter
    hi, where do I find apps for MainframeOS?
    IntricateCoin
    @from610to813_twitter
    Can someone please assist me with withdrawing my coins from the Mainframe OS wallet? It appears to have no option to do so for the last 237 days to be exact.
    Ironic it only allows to deposit coins. No withdraw option. No option to view your eth wallet private keys to possibly open the wallet on a different Eth token compatible wallet. No option to change password. Mainframe Os is in complete control of all my coins. Can someone please help me feel like this is not ludicrous?
    Criptokid978
    @Criptokid978
    Just wanted to say hello to the Community!
    Alexei
    @Alexeii97_twitter

    Good evening, admins! Good evening, everyone!
    Congratulations for your project!
    Glad to be part of Mainframe Community.

    My name is Alexander, listing manager & business department representing WhiteBit exchange platform.
    Admins, I have been learning about Mainframe in the last couple of days and I would like to discuss privately about a potential partnership.

    Could I speak with one of the team members?

    Criptokid978
    @Criptokid978
    also excited to have found Mainframe
    Welcome Alexia
    rigel ibn dioscoro ibn dionisio
    @rigel_carin_twitter
    does MFT had DEX?
    i only have 2 apps in my MF OS, notes and payment, where can i find apps?
    Michael Jonsson
    @Mjons
    Hey guys
    new here
    Just powering through the WP now. What's your favorite thing about Mainframe?