These are chat archives for Media-Public/mediapublic

13th
Jul 2015
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:18
URL redirects.
Really good points in #2 re: Circa's death. Create the platform that users use: http://scripting.com/2015/07/03/tooMuchLinearThinkingInNews.html#aNTTOT
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:20
@melodykramer where is the source code to mediapublic.github.io? I want to PR to remove the scroll bar on the iframe
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:21
hmm, yea i see now that we have like two repos
err, orgs
or whatever
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:21
Yeah, that's my fault.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:21
I don't care which one we pick
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:21
Ideally it would live in the same repo we're all working in - but I think I may have screwed up and put it on mediapublic instead of media-public.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:21
but we need to pick one asap
that's okay
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:21
mediapublic is easier for people to type.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:21
agreed
so is Media-Public and mediapublic both orgs?
or is mediapublic a user?
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:22
media-public is an org, mediapublic is a user.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:23
i don't mind taking on the task of capturing everything we've done and putting it into a wiki and/or issues in another repo
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:23
so maybe it's best to put everything on the org.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:24
i'm down either way
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:24
unless I can switch mediapublic over to an org.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:24
so i think it's worth trying to delete the mediapublic user and creating the mediapublic org
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:24
ok
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:24
hang on, let me see what i can find some info
yea, do that
i don't think you can switch, but you may be able to delete and create
and then I'll move the issues over
but we need to consolidate for sure
and create the new gitter chat
and we'll move there ;)
my shift key is sticky ... that was supposed to be a smiley, not a winking smiley, ha
nice
haha
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:28
I'm deleting and creating right now :)
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:28
k1
K!*
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:29
We're moving for the FINAL TIME https://github.com/mediapublic
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:30
yay!
i like it
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:30
let me bring up the site again :)
What should we do with the existing issues?
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:30
i'll capture and move
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:31
Apologies for that @/all - good catch :)
thanks.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:31
i'll do that tonight
consistency is important for sure.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:36
switched the site over.
Agreed.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 01:37
so there is no confisuion
confusion*
after i move all the issues over, i'll send ya a note ... and i think we should delete the media-public org
i'll make a server and a website folders
a nice fresh start :)
and we'll go from there
and then i say we go with the single repo model like @GabeIsman suggested.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 01:38
Agreed.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:08
@thequbit I think the site folder already exists
Oh wait, I see what you're doing. https://github.com/mediapublic
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:25
I believe we are back to where we were in Media-Public now in mediapublic :)
@melodykramer if you want to do a quick review, and then delete Media-Public, that works for me.
and I'll create the new gitter right now
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:26
great, thanks so much :)
I don't see the server yet.
or your site map
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:27
working on gitter at the moment
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:27
ok
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:28
?
ahh, yea i have to fork to my github and then PR
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:29
okay cool :)
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:29
I'm going to not shut that down unitl we're 100% sure everything is over :) I can do it tomorrow. :)
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:29
i put that there for the time being
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:29
sweet
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:29
yea
there is no rush there
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:29
the reason I was rushing on the page is that Nieman is publishing all of my research tomorrow.
and I expect it to break the Internet
and I'd like to get the traffic from that over to sign up to find out more
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:30
ypu yup
makes sense
and i'll come back and update that as the site takes shape
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:30
I switched from a Google Form to Typeform
great.
and I can update the site throughout the project - like a "we're making this thing" blog - or just use my newsletter or something. Good for funding / good will / public / etc.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:31
Yea i saw that
it loads much slower
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:31
because Google Form is not responsive.
I know.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:31
not that that really matters
ahh gotcha
weird ...
so gitter things mediapublic is a person, not an org
i can only assume that it will just take a bit for the servers to sync
we'll try tomorrow
again, no rush to delete this repo
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:33
yep :)
I'm going to go to sleep.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:34
night!
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 02:34
Thanks for your help in switching everything over. I think this will be easier for us / the public!
night :)
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 02:34
mmhmm
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 03:17
Hi everyone!
@thequbit Python 2.7 and js are good with me! I've used Flask more often than Pyramid but am really excited to have a reason to work with it.
@melodykramer it looks like you have a redirect to the github pages site on navigation to mediapublic.io
if you want to show the same content as the github.io one without having github in the url: https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-a-custom-domain-with-github-pages/
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 12:03
ismcodes++
ismcodes, what you're doing in high school I wasn't able to do until after college. That's very cool. I look forward to working with you!
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 13:05
Haha thanks. Look forward to working with you as well!
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 17:08
So which is the official repo for the pyramid app? Is it still @thequbit or media-public/mediapublic-server?
Gabe Isman
@GabeIsman
Jul 13 2015 17:15
@melodykramer @thequbit Sorry I was checked out yesterday! Good work on normalizing our repos, etc. mediapublic.io is looking great! Nice work @melodykramer .
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 17:34
@ismcodes I need to fork off of the new mediapublic/mediapublic-website repo, and then commit the pyramid app there
I will do that this evening
@ismcodes I'll blast out an email and a whole bunch of tickets this evening as well
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 17:34
okay, thanks
Mind adding me as contributor when you do fork?
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 17:35
... contrib to thequbit/ or mediapublic/ ?
@ismcodes ^^
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 17:36
mediapublic is the one that will be used in the future, correct?
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 17:40
@ismcodes correct
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 17:41
Cool. Looks like I'm already on the people list for that, so I guess we're good. Thanks!
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 17:47
yup yup
because we'll want to switch over to the mediapublic/ org soon
and kill this one off
@melodykramer I'm working on figuring this person/org thing out for the gitter room
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:05
Great. I wonder if we have to contact Gitter.
I tried to switch us over last night and had trouble.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:16
@melodykramer yup, emailing gitter now
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:21
97 people have signed up through typeform so far !
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:22
buh!
that's so FREAKING AWESOME
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:23
glad we got the website up :)
I have a feeling we're going to get more funding. :clap: :clap:
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:23
I had a good buddy of mine do a 'back of the napkin' analysis for AWS costs for a year. It's about $800 ( conservative, probably half that ). That assumes 1000 hits/station, so ~1M hits a day.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:24
that seems reasonable.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:24
agreed
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:24
I think at some point, we can Kickstarter some part of this. I just haven't figured out what quite yet.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:24
We can rock and roll on mycodespace.net ( I own it, and the equipment ) for a while here
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:24
rock on.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:25
and once we bring my servers to their knees, we'll move to AWS haha
@melodykramer do we want to come up with an informal Social Media campaign where we have big pushes with teasers each Monday? ( or something like that )
My company is in the thick of doing Content Marketing training, so I'm trying to bring some of that to the table haha
They say that a schedule of content release is super important
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:29
I think that may be true for software/hardware companies
and less true for media ones
which tend to socialize all day long, all the time :)
When I ran social at NPR / Fresh Air, we never scheduled.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:29
word.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:29
But I saw this last night: https://github.com/explore/subscribe
thequbit @thequbit returns to his 1's and 0's
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:29
haha
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:29
AND LOVE that there are different options for people.
:)
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:42
I'm less worried about building up a social media platform specifically for the site - I think we can do that admirably from our own accounts. Building up now without paying is though.
tough
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:44
Yea, i think we're fine blasting things out ourselves
once we get a site hosted that people can actually go to, we can start the big media blasts
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:44
I don't think we'll have a problem building a community.... :) I think people are a) hungry and b) have wanted to help for a while.
Exactly.
And considering we're building something for people in the media, they should do much of this work for us. :)
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:47
mmhmm
self_promoting_stuff++
okay, meeting time
i'll drop back in later tonight
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 18:47
Dave Winer wrote a piece recently that said "Build platforms, not content." Basically --> build better ways to surface and allow users to create content.
okay.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 18:48
@ismcodes we should chat sometime after I load in gobs and gobs of tickets, and figure out where your skill set works best, and start getting you coding!
@melodykramer nice. If you have that article, I would love to read it
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 19:27
@thequbit sure! I'm working on a playlist feature right now as per @melodykramer's request.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 19:27
:)
Which reminds me, I need to issue an issue for that!
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 19:50
@thequbit models.py line 287: parascope = ReqColumn(UnicodeText)
Too petty for a PR but I feel like it might cause problems later.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 19:56

I am a sample of one, but I wanted to let you know what public media
membership looks like to me, a 57-year-old woman living in the NYC
area, who has been a subscriber to WNYC for a few years. I'm also
someone who loves going to Hacks and Hackers, helped start Code for
America Brigade in Hoboken, and is a writer who's been involved in
some form of digital connection for two decades. And I'm a big fat
theater nerd.

Public media membership isn't fun.

And I love my local station. And I love lots of things about the
public radio I listen to.

But the last encounter I had with my station as a subscriber was,
sadly, to complain about a show that I thought had gone over the line
(it was a piece On the Media had done on the Rolling Stone/UVA
fallout. And yes, I emailed them about it and got crickets).

And yes, I reduced my monthly membership after, in part because of my
unhappiness over what I thought was irresponsible journalism
Particularly painful because before on-demand? This was a show I got
up at 7 a.m. on a Saturday morning to listen to.

And in part because I am throwing my money at individual podcasts
these days. And because I am trying to support more diverse media. And
NPR still isn't all that diverse. WNYC, much better.

That's another drain on the idea of membership.

But as you've been writing (so well, so intensely) about other ways
public radio members might contribute, I need to tell you, I think
part of what's missing...is fun. Not very quantifiable, I know. And
notice I don't use the word "delight," that odd Silicon Valley term.
Being a public media member doesn't feel fun. It feels like a
responsibility.

What has been fun lately:

Listening to Welcome to Night Vale (where I've donated, where I've
gone out of my way to see the creators in the flesh--you should have
seen the rabid fans at Bookcon).

Watching Black Girl Nerds on Periscope at Comic Con
Watching Black Girl Nerds live tweet tv shows and conduct a weekly
Shakespeare discussion..via Twitter

(I'm white, and I would definitely contribute to keep BGN going.)

Following actor playwright phenom Lin-Manuel Miranda on Twitter, where
he tells us about HAMILTON, a little show that could, that started at
a theater where I'm a member. I feel invested in the show's success,
and I feel proud of the institution that was its first home, and yes,
if they suggested another tier of participatory membership, I would
jump. Because I've already had fun, feeling plugged into a living,
growing entity.

So...however you do this, please make it fun.

I hope this makes some sense.

Gabe Isman
@GabeIsman
Jul 13 2015 21:01
@ismcodes No PR too small! A small PR just means its really easy to review + merge.
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 21:01
I just chatted with someone who said "There are going to be two public medias. The one that exists now and the one you're currently building."
He basically said that if we do this right, we are going to build what public media is in the digital space.
!
!
Gabe Isman
@GabeIsman
Jul 13 2015 21:02
!
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 21:03
I have a question, and I want us all to think about it as we work on this project because I think answering this well means success, in some ways. This is the best Fresh Air episode that has ever aired: http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144077273/maurice-sendak-on-life-death-and-childrens-lit - we received more listener mail than we ever had before, and people said they pulled over in their cars to the side of the road to cry.
It's from 2011. How do we surface that? How does someone today find that?
That's my question.
Gabe Isman
@GabeIsman
Jul 13 2015 21:04
curated playlists seems like a good place to start!
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 21:05
Yes!
^ @ismcodes
Isaac Moldofsky
@ismcodes
Jul 13 2015 21:10
yay!
@GabeIsman I'll make a separate PR later then, when there is one central repo
Melody Kramer
@melodykramer
Jul 13 2015 21:15
@ismcodes just putting this in your head: 1. Mobile 2. Terribly designed websites with no functional RSS feeds. (Bookmarklet?) 3. Sharing.
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 21:18
Yea, I'll create the folder structure and commit the pyramid app to our new repo this evening
Timothy Duffy
@thequbit
Jul 13 2015 23:20
@GabeIsman accept the invite to /mediapublic on github by going here:
then we can transition over to our ( hopefully ) final destination of mediapublic on gitter!
:P