These are chat archives for MontCode/GeneralChat

22nd
Jun 2016
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 00:43
So I have a fun idea for a project
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 00:45
?
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 00:48
So you would imbed a rf reciever and transmitter and have it log the last signal sent and store it to be transmitted when the command is sent from a secondary device as a "don't lock your keys in your car" situation oooooor as a security feature to retrieve stolen goods
Yea yea yea, I know it's not ethical.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 00:50
not ethical?
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 00:52
Not at all.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 00:53
how so?
It’s being done already.
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 00:55
Logging and mimicking rf signals?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 00:55
didn’t know you were talking about mimicking.
i am not clear on what you mean than.
Meh
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:00
this is why we can’t have nice things Rob :p
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 01:00
A minute late and a dollar short. Same thing happened to me with flavored dentist gloves
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:22
300 votes combined between SQL server and Oracle. I wouldn't trust that site for anything other than "favorite open source projects"
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:25
I’m seeing there are two sides to the dev world. There is your established side. Big name companies, amazing products using well tested and thought out languages. They tend to appreciate college degrees more. They are harder to get a job at. Usually pay more, and have more longeity. And that is great.
Then you have a zillion startups. Many fail, a few succeed, some get picked up and brought into the established side by being bought out. They tend more towards the flavor of the moment languages. They can’t afford some of the cost to get into the bigger tech. And that is great too.
Things need to start somewhere and FOSS is a cheap entry point :p
My about 70% comment was a comparison of the numbers of companies using each tech. I’m not referring to or looking at votes. Those are subjective.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:32
Those I talk to who are mired in the “startup” world are dismissive of established tech (e.g. booo php, booo mysql). The opposite is true of the people in the opposite situation.
All depends on where you sit.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:32
The folks in Silicon Valley need to spend their money on engineers because of the crazyciet of living. They end up working harder to build.and use things that come as features and bigger products from Oracle and Microsoft
Heres the thing: even startups.on the east coast.use the established tools.because they find it easier to find talent
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:34
Personally, I have zero desire to give money to either Oracle or Microsoft.
But that is neither here nor there.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:35
There's a reason their tools are very successful.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:36
What I am saying is there is a place for both. You can’t dismiss either.
javascript was once a fad. Some fads stick. Some fads die.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:37
Not dismissing, my original point about MongoDb is that it teaches bad habits for database use and is very hard to set up to be reliable
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:38
I haven’t gotten to the MongoDB portion so I don’t know how they have the training set up. I do know from going to the monthly summit meetings and following the blogs and chat etc, that I trust the team has not done something willy nilly and without thought.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:39
javascript has several features that make it convenient for developing, but also a real drawback in larger applications
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:40
That is the great thing about learning as much tech and as many languages as you can. Everything had a drawback and you can make the most informed decision about when B will work better than A and when A is good enough and it’s not worth the time needed to deal with B.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:42
The catch with Mongodb is how it writes data - it updates in memory and "some time later", it commits to disk. There is no commit operation in Mongo, so you don't know when the disk is updated. You have to architect and configure for this
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:42
Only very remotely tangically related but something I found interesting. https://www.freecodecamp.com/stories FCC curriculum works for some.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:43
Also, the number of reporting tools that work with mongo is very low.
I'm just saying I would have started by showing folks a relational database like MySQL or Postgres.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:44
Re: The whole commit thing. That is true. That is why I mentioned Mongoose. On Whatever.create you have a callback function that you can if (err) on.
FCC’s goal is to have education on everything possible. It will all be there eventually. There are pro’s and con’s to learning both first and what to learn first is a very individual thing based on their goals.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:46
Yep, and that will capture errors in working with BSON. For a simple setup, it runs great.. Very fast and serves as a great cache server
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:47
wheeeee BSON. I forgot that keyword. Thanks for reminding me. I have it bookmarked to read about later. But.. who knows when later will be.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:47
So I'm back from going and visiting Jonathan. Cool.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:47
Binary for those wondering.
welcome back @dcpking Just in time for me to go to bed… soon… I hope… I have NOT been sleeping as of late.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:49
BTW, I'm intending on going to NYC in a few weeks time, on the 12th of July, to a free day from a company called Splunk
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:49
That is an… interesting name.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:50
Splunk's a Big Data tool designed for semi-structured data, like program logs, and I used it in ComCast to look at email metadata
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:50
Yeah, I was just reading the wiki page. mmmm big data
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:50
SpelunkingInData
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:51
They're a good group at Splunk, built a very flexible tool
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:51
Anyhow, I'll be driving from Lansdale down to the PA turnpike and across into NJ, and then taking the train into NYC. I'll be taking my wife, but if anyone would like to hitch a ride then I'll have a couple of seats free
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:52
Hmmmm. I met someone else I think worked for comcast. A company was never said directly, but screenshots when sharing something about testing UI/UX would indicate so. Mark Watson I think was his name.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:52
Y'll just have to pay your rail fare on NJT
Thousands do, Lily - I knew maybe 20.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:53
heh
he was at a philly meetup xD That’s all.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:54
Anyhow, I don't know what the snob-level is at right now, but we were working with over 2 TB/day of data, after_ we'd tokenised the text as much as possible. I _think that qualifies as "big" !
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:54
nice
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:55
That's a good sized data store..
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:55
I'd see if I can get it on my PC for tomorrow, but I don't have much data for it
BTW, that's wasn't the email ... just the metadata!
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 01:56
Get what on your PC? Splunk?
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 01:56
Yes. It's free up to a certain number of megabytes of work per day
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 01:58
I dont’ remember who exactly is coming tomorrow but I think it’s pretty much on the beginner side of things so it might be over the head of everyone anyway :p
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:00
True. I'm wondering what I've done to piss off Verizon right now - the internat is terrible tonight!
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 02:01
I'm seeing the same thing - FIOS is brutal for me right now
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:02
I'm doing a 192 MB download and it's predicting 12 hours!!
No wonder Udemy was slow before!
I.m ringing them up ...
getting through the tree ...
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:08
....Upbeat muzak ....
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 02:09
my internet has been pretty crappy the last few days as well but it hasn’t been every site. FiOS here as well. I gave up downloading a 50 MB game when it said three hours… what?! But other things have been find and download tests come out okay.
lemme know what you find out...
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz_twitter
Jun 22 2016 02:10
I can't get gitter on FIOS, but its fine using my phone
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 02:10
that’s odd
no problem with it here.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:11
the tool at http://www.bandwidthplace.com/ claims I should have got my file in about 17 seconds. Right now the guesstimate varies between 6, 11, and 16 hours!
Of course, it may be the fault of the source, not this end ...
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 02:16
Looks like for this game, it might be a source problem. Errors on the site today. That speed was like pre-56k days (minus the headache sounds).
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:18
Maybe. Right now I'm looking at network speeds of about 30 KB/s, which is less than with the dial-up modem I had in England in somewhen like 1983!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 02:19
Those were the good ol’ days
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:21
:) but it cost a heap! Almost everywhere was long-distance! I'm looking for Fios on downdetector.com
An increase in problem reports for Verizon, and in the Philly area among others :(
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 02:22
Ugh yeah. I lived in the middle of nowhere Arkasas at the time. I remember a phone bill of many hundreds of dollars. So sad. It was like a miracle when I moved to Philadelphia. So much local… things….
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:26
weeeell! That explains why I'm getting no answers -- their service must be swamped, poor guys!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 02:27
Scrolling at the downdetector.com/ home page and glancing at all the various companies charts, I have to wonder if anyone is even worried about their 9s anymore of if people just take downtime as a given anymore. Where is the quality?
Uh oh. Bedroom light turned out. Guess that means I need to call it a night. Time flies when you are having fun.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 22 2016 02:35
Good night - see ya tomorrow!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 19:47
Internet at the library appears to still be functioning well! The first meeting internet seems to have been a fluke.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 20:28
@rmaylie9560 are you comin’ tonight?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 20:55
Finished section 29. Wrote a blog site from start to finish today. Very exciting.
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 21:08
tonight's the node.js lecture?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 21:08
that’s tomorrow. Tonight is at the library.
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 21:09
ive been extremely anti social lately. I think i have some kind of phobia
its weird....
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 21:09
my social anxiety has been… bad… lately too.
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 21:10
i feel your pain. its like i want to stop by and see everyone but the thought of being in public causes anxiety. i hate it.
sooo i stay in my little world, also known as my house.
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 21:16
big turn out expected today?
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 22 2016 21:41
@Lilyheart sorry I won't be able to make it today
I am preparing for tomorrow
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 21:58
Updated chat.montcode.com!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 22 2016 22:04
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 22 2016 22:19
i was really hoping he still had the site active with the contents of his fridge