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28th
Jun 2016
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 28 2016 01:21
Note to self: pickles eventually go bad. Fight the temptation.
-that is all.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 01:22
did they join a pickle gang?
Robert Maylie
@rmaylie9560
Jun 28 2016 10:18
They did! nothing worse than a pack of unruley pickled cucumbers causing trouble in the fridge.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 13:41
Pickles only go bad if they aren't fully submerged in brine otherwise it's impossible for the bacterium necessary to spoil them to exist. L. Bacillus bacteria are anaerobic the others aren't.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 13:45
After a long while, the pickles, even fully submerged, can become… un-tasty. Submerging them will ensure they “live” as long as possible tho!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 13:53
Possibly untasty because the salt in the brine may eventually become fully absorbed into the cucumber it just wont spoil lol. All this is making
Me want to start a batch of kraut thoug
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:15
... Now I want pickles... I wonder if mine have gone bad. I bought them so long ago.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:15
why do you buy them when cucumbers are so cheap?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:16
Because I have a skin condition where I avoid water whenever possible.
Making things is problematic.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:16
does vinegar effect you too or just the water?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:16
vinegar on my hands would need to be washed off.
cooking in general requires washed hands.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:17
would be hard to wear gloves for it too since plastic can inhibit the fermentation
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:19
gloves makes for sweaty hands after awhile. You don't realize it until you have to avoid water. In fact the skin condition is "bad sweating" eczema in latin.
Don't look it up, it looks gross :p I have a small breakout right now and it's a burning pain in the ... um... hand.
I skip my cream after one shower... aghghghghhg. I hate the humid time of year.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:22
I might still look it up lol things like that interest me especially the nutritional aspect of it like people with urticaria who are nutrient deficient and able to get off all their meds plugging in that one hole that could be some trace mineral like selenium because they don't like nuts or something
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:24
That's my other skin condition, but we've already talked about that because of Joe Cross. Dermagraphia... It's better when I cut out wheat, but by better I mean I still have it but it doesn't burn like Hades.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:24
yea
I'm working to become reobsessed with this stuff again, found out yesterday I have hypertension again as well as edema and possibly sleep apnea
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:27
All the diet changes I made working through the dermagraphia didn't do a thing for the dyshidrosis. I have the dermagraphia at some stasis point where just an allergy pill and it's no issue (unless stress level creep into the equation).
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:28
honestly it wouldn't suprise me at all if you had competing conditions where making one thing better makes the other worse\
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:32
I had them both for many years. The wax and wane have never correlated. Dyshidrosis waxes during the humid times of the year and wanes the rest and is only a concern during the wane if I don't use handcream occasionally. I've gotten to the point that I can sense the little burning that signals a breakout if I don't cream it up :P My house has like 20 little tubes of Eucerin around.
It is an interesting thought tho.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:35
that sucks, my wife gets very bad eczema during the winter we finally found a soap that this shop in Lansdale sells that seems to help because even eucerin burned her and none of them worked but this woman made all her own stuff for her son who had eczema and now she has a shope called green street luxuries
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:49
There are so many types of eczema that its not even funny. And no cure.
For mine, Eucerin is like mana from the gods when I put it on. It stops the burning instantly. I use white cotton gloves (usually I cut the fingers off and just use the tubes) to keep the cream on for a long as possible (not lotion, lotion is water based).
(Switched to the tubes as I heard enough "one white glove" jokes to last four lifetimes)
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 19:56
Towards the end of this udemy bootcamp, a 15 minute video takes an hour to finish. So much coding goodness!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 19:57
yea I can't tell you how many times I've bought those damn gloves lol she works for cvs so at least we get a discount
nice
wish I could finish one of these things, I really like the watch and code but I've been in so much pain recently I haven't done anything
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 20:00
That is always challenging. I've had bouts of health issues that kept me away from what I really wanna do. It's... upsetting. I try to conquer that by figuring out what I do have energy for. Maybe it's just sitting and reading. There are tons of good books on the softer skills that will help in programming. Sometimes it's just watching youtube videos. That is how I ended up watching that video this morning and posted it.
It's so easy for me to get wrapped up in the "can't do" when what i "can't do" is what I really wanna do.
Finding something that supports the "wanna do" helps me stop getting wrapped up in the thoughts of "CANT"
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 20:03
yea, I think a lot of this is the new med but some of it is pain caused by sheer stress level and recently I'm lucky I force myself to get up and go to work everyday
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 20:04
I wish I could help. I've been there.
Imma run to 7-11 before the meeting fully kicks off. I think I have a free drink from there. whooo
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 20:04
I'm sure it'll calm down eventually
lol have fun see ya in a bit
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 20:20
What fun coding things have people been up to this week (or not fun if that is the case!)?
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 20:41
Most I've done all week was try to code some data into an array from a data input box which fortunately I got a whole bunch of help with on here
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 20:44
Another thing you can do to work with them is to type directly into the console. Open the console log and you can send javascript commands there.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 20:45
yea that's what I was trying to do before I went to codepen I thought maybe I was missing something in the process of using it.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 20:45
You could var array = []; and then array.push("something"); and then console.log(array);
You'd see something like this
blob
a lot of the basics that I've learned in JavaScript I've tested out directly in the console.
@dcpking can't yell at us for starting early today as he is lurking around the dark corner.
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:01
why is there an old video?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:01
It's the most recent video.
It's like an "intro" to MontCode
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:02
oh okay
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:02
Welcome!
About one a month or so (not on a set schedule, that's just the way it's worked out) there is a live stream presentation that will take the spot of that video. The video is there when the live stream isn't active.
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 21:08
Hi Everyone. This is Rich Jacobs. Question...Can you envision an online form that asks people to post their event. The form would have the basics like name of organization, name of event, location, website, etc. This form would then dump the information into a searchable events calendar. If you can envision this set-up, what would be the best platform to acquiring or developing?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:09
Hey Rich! I keep meaning to email you to see how the meeting went.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:10
Welcome @CodingNerd32 !
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:10
hello
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:11
About the calendar, it depends on what else you have going on in the backend and how linked together everything needs to be. If the calendar is really standalone I would look into maybe Active Calendar or brewing something up in AirTables
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 21:11
You must have been reading my mind! I was going to contact you as well and it exceeded all expectations from not only me but my mentor as well. Mike Irwin joined us along with another awesome (Non-MonCode) fellow by the name of Jason Sexauer. We laid a strong foundation and are moving onward and upward thanks to you starting this meet-up!
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:14
anyone familiar with Dreamweaver?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:15
Sorry @CodingNerd32 I haven't used Dreamweaver in ages (over a decade).
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:15
oh haha
I'm sort of new to the world of coding
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 21:16
Yea, I was thinking there may be stuff out there off the shelf and that's what Active Calendar sounds like. I think it would be safe to assume that the "Event Calendar" I would like to create would be a stand-alone function on a newly created website. That would be our main thing for about three months while the database platform is being built. The Event Calendar would allow ex-offender organizations all across America to list their events (physical or webinars) and then ex-offenders and stakeholders could search for events in their area via zip code, etc.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:18
@ReentryUSA2_twitter Rich, if you are also wanting some kind of proximity search, that might end up having to be some type of homebrew thing. Maybe check to see if other websites offer something similar and see if you can tell what tech is under it. I think Active Calendar (and even AirTables) is just going to show everything. Maybe someone else is familiar with something? paging @davidjcastner @csharpfritz_twitter and someone else I'm forgetting @ _ @
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 21:22
Yea, Dave C. has offered to answering any questions and Jason had mentioned Django and Python? Of course these names are greek to me but the more I dig the more I can make better informed decisions.
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:25
I am trying to make a slide show using CSS and JavaScript and I want to add a transition. How can I add this to my code to make it go through each image automatically?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:30
you could create a js function that changes the background to a random (or loop through the list in order with a counter) image, and then call that function every X ms using setInterval
CodingNerd32
@CodingNerd32
Jun 28 2016 21:31
k I'll look into that
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:32
@ReentryUSA2_twitter python is a nice flexible (popular) programming language. Django is a python framework.
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 21:38
Does the Django and python recommendations make sense to you regarding the Events Calendar described?
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:42
Sorry was finishing something at work, I'm free to start providing some input
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 21:43
Hey all :D
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:44
Hey Phy! How was your week?
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 21:45
last week, I'm guessing? Up until Thursday, not great, though learned a few things and mentally adjusted to an inevitability. thursday through sunday were excellent (i consider sunday the last day of the week :worried: )
yours :D
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:45
Nearing the end of the udemy course. https://colt-steele-bootcamp-lilyheart.c9users.io/campgrounds (this goes up and down as I restart the server to add things)
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 21:46
neato :clap: :sparkles:
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:47
@ReentryUSA2_twitter like @Lilyheart said Django is simply a web application framework. You can build any sort of web application with it, it doesn't have anything unique regarding calendar functionality
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 21:48
question for the crew: can someone please explain to me what...
(function (var1) { ... })(var2)
...var2 does in that iife? :(
does var2 become var1 when the anonymous function is called?
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:49
@SimplyPhy this runs the function immediately using var2 as the first argument in the function (in this case var1)
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 21:49
or var1 become var2, i mean
knew it!
so weird
okay so I can see we're off to a good start
my second question:
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:50
if you wrap your code in grave symbols (the key above tab) it can be easier to read on here. single ones for code in the line, or three ``` then hit shift-enter your code, shift-enter again and three more ```
Also you have I believe 5 minutes to go back and edit a post (which is awesome and I miss when chatting anywhere outside of gitter).
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:51
@ReentryUSA2_twitter What they were suggesting to you was that you need a website with a database behind it to be built, which for your case seems like the proper option
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:53
Another section done! Woot!!! Only two coding sections left! An hour and 49 minutes! So like 7 hours of work :pensive:
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:53
@Lilyheart congrats!!!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:54
I think pretty much all the auth (AUTHentication and AUTHorization) is done. You can only edit or delete campsites or comments you added. whew
Next up: Error handling! Right now if something goes wrong, the user has NO IDEA WHAT!?!?! Bad website... BAD!
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:55
@Lilyheart you are hitting the tip of a deadly iceburg
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:55
yup yup yup
Good thing this is a small scope website :laughing:
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:55
lucky you hahaha
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 21:56
Got it David. Thanks.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:56
@ReentryUSA2_twitter let me know if you need more explanation or have other questions
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:58
My lesson for today. middleware
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:58
I reached two milestones today in my coding career. I have a fully functioning continuous integration environment set up for a production application and I hit 1k :octocat: contribs! woo! Kinda pumped up, too bad no one else at work understood my excitement
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 21:59
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat: :octocat:
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 21:59
haha thanks!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:00
If I could make them all dance I would... the Octocat-etts I would call them.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:00
@SimplyPhy did you have another question?
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:01
for (var i = 0; i < 4; i++) {

    var num = nums[i];

    var elem = document.createElement('div');
    elem.textContent = num;

    elem.addEventListener('click', (function(numCopy) {
        return function() {
            alert(numCopy);
        };
    })(num));

    document.body.appendChild(elem);
};
How does the above iife store numCopy as being equal to different values (i.e. 0, 1, 2, 3) whenever it's called? Does it covertly create a variable assigned to each DOM node, depending on which is being iterated on during the loop? :neckbeard:
p.s. that's awesome, congrats David :D :+1: :+1:
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:09
the eventListener is stored as a function, and since you are returning a function with a copy of the number and not a reference to the number, the function is stored in whatever is running js (the browser compilier/engine whatever it is)
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Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:13
I don't understand why the iife version of that function returns 0,1,2, or 3 depending on which div you click, whereas the exact same anonymous function, without iife, would only return 3 for each div. :'(
I do understand why 3 would be returned, I just don't understand how/where the browser is finding the different versions of numCopy from the iife.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:16
It's because in this case you are calling the function with the number as you are iterating over it. but when it's not in an iife it is looking for the value of the variable num which changes to 3 by the time you click on the element (which that click is calling the function)
I'm putting together a lengthier explanation
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:20
@CodingNerd32 I think you asked about rotating images? I added some rotating background images to the landing page https://colt-steele-bootcamp-lilyheart.c9users.io/ (note this page is only temporarily accessible).
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:24
OHHHHHH. I get it. It's because of the scope of the numCopy variable! All eventListeners can reference num, because it's within their scope, but each eventListener can only reference its own instantiated numCopy value.
nice.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:26
yes yes! alright not finishing typing p an explanation, any other question related to iife's? I find that they only have a limited use case and there are usually better (more clear) ways to achieve the the same outcome
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:29
Ha, yeah I was just introduced to them yesterday, and the whole syntax really threw me off. I'm still coming to terms with what I just learned. insert cool emoji here
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:33
scope is fun. Just when you think you understand, something new comes along.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:33
Here's how you can achieve the same outcome without iife's (I would recommend trying to avoid them, that's a opinion though)
var numbers = [0, 1, 2, 3];

numbers.forEach(function(num) {
    // num is now limited to the scope of this function which indirectly means
    // that num is limited to the scope of each iteration
    var element = document.createElement('div');
    element.innerHTML = num.toString();
    // notice how num is no longer necessary as an argument for the event listener
    element.addEventListener('click', function() {
        alert(num);
    });
    document.body.appendChild(element);
});
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:33
Hmm, by changing the code I posted, and simply adding a new variable assignment inside the iife equal to num, then alerting that new variable, you wouldn't need the iife...
ha David your timing is excellent
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:34
@SimplyPhy are you in the facebook group? I posted a video this morning of interesting JS things.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:35
also according to jshint and other javascript linters defining functions inside a for loop is not recommended
in case you were wondering, here is the documentation on forEach
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:36
@davidjcastner Did you see that video? Everything from it was a good takeaway, but the existence of this website could be helpful to you for teaching latentflip.com/loupe/
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:37
Yeah, I'm in the middle of Udacity's JS design patterns, and they introduced that at an odd time, and as far as I can tell in a use case that's really confusing. sigh.
Thanks @davidjcastner :fire:
@Lilyheart Negative, I don't use Facebook much, but I suppose I could give it a gander :D
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:39
it's used when making class like objects with private methods/properties because you don't have to save the function as a variable, BUT that being said there are usually more clear (and in my opinion easier) ways to achieve this
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:39
The video is on the intro page to loupe that I linked above.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 22:39
@Lilyheart Hi! Finally here! (no, I'm not complaining :) except about the traffic and work!)
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:39
@Lilyheart I will take a look at that in a sec
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 22:39
@davidjcastner Hi! I hear congrats are in order. 1k contribs! Well done!
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 22:40
@dcpking Thanks!!! :smile:
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:41
Minus the k and I'm getting there :inbox_tray:
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:41
I have 314 .... I need to catch up... But that is mostly over only 3 months... SO THERE IS HOPE
Of course David's is only over 7 months... so maybe not... :crying_cat_face:
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:43
Is that how long each of you have been doing web dev? @Lilyheart @davidjcastner
ReentryUSA
@ReentryUSA2_twitter
Jun 28 2016 22:43
I really appreciate the offer to answer any questions @davidjcastner and will do so sparingly. Thanks.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:43
Not I. I've been off and on for longer then I will admit as a lady doesn't tell her age.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 22:46
85 years web dev :D
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:47
I've made many a geocities page :p
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 22:47
I wish geocities still existed lol
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:48
I know what you mean... but at least my retinas are spared some of the color combos that seemed popular at the time.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 22:58
@davidjcastner Do you think I could do all of the FCC front end projects in two weeks? Or will I burn out? :laughing:
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 22:59
lol @Lilyheart all my pages looked like the one I designed for Sid Vicios minus the youtube videos obviously lol
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:08
Practice Practice Practice! As you learn more things and tricks and libraries, things start to shift away from looking identical. I still don't like how most of my websites I design from scratch look. I'm still in that "gap" (see Ira Glass, The Gap)
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:15
Are you guys hanging out on gitter semi-daily?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:15
Several of us hang out here daily.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:15
gotta love autocorrect
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:16
Several of us use the “Tuesday Code and Chat” as a devoted time to work on FCC projects or other learning projects.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:16
Hmm, perhaps a good place for me to stop in then :) I'm learning/coding from ~8am until ~10pm almost everyday
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:16
Then there is the every other week meeting that is at the Eagleville library over the summer.
We are here!
It’s like hotel california. Some of us can never leave.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:17
14 hours a day @SimplyPhy ? You'll get fed up with it ! :)
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:17
That is nearly my hours @dcpking !!!
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:17
I quit my job at the beginning of June and only have enough money for about 5 months before I need another paycheck, this time as a front-end dev, or similar
i have no choice :D
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:18
oh. Well, if it's only for a few months then that's different. I couldn't imagine doing it like that for years on end!
6 months would about be my limit!
OTOH, I program all day at work (10 hours-ish) and then come here and to the Udemy course
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:21
How is the udemy going btw?
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:22
Finished the HTML, starting the CSS. It's taking longer than you because I have work to do (dratted stuff) and also R to try and learn!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:23
Overall it’ll take me about 2 months to complete including doing the FCC stuff concurrently.
I started literally the week of my last final from spring semester. May 3rd.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:31
Looks like it'll take me longer than that, although so far about 85% has been re-learning stuff I'd already known when it was really new :)
Your memory isn't what it was when you get old, Lily!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:31
The front end section was the same for me. The back-end.. whew...
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:33
I didn't really know what a web server was (still iffy), nor a CGI (still iffy), nor an HTTP header...which made AJAX and CORS tricky xD
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:33
know anyone who wants to do some mixed programming? A small site that needs an input and an output display, based on MySQL?
(Current thinking is Django and Python) 'cos right now I'm hit for time!
(did I break some rule? did everyone just refuse to talk near me?)
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:39
ha I elected silence as my iteration of no to provide less distraction for those who might say yes
I don't know python. xD
I'm currently figuring out how not to feel dumb trying to structure javascript
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:41
@SimplyPhy Fair enough. I'm not that familiar with Python either. Alternatives to that ? I personally would try with PHP, but it's been a long time!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:42
@SimplyPhy be glad it's just the structuring making you feel dumb lol
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:42
LOL
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:42
@dcpking I did a short intro to python course last year, really don't remember much but it was very straightforward you could probably pick it up pretty quickly
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:43
Trouble is I have too many other things happening simultaneously!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:44
oi
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:44
@dcpking No rules! Just something I don't know. Python I know of, but that's it. I have a udemy course... does that count? It's not high on my list to finish.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:45
Didn't know you were from Oz, Lily!
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:45
While PHP is not dead, I would hesitate to bring a new site into the world in that language as it would need to be maintained.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:46
Any thoughts on whether or not I should begin using "use strict"; in my projects?
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:46
Wizard of? or Aus?
That sounds like a @davidjcastner question Phy.
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:47
Whichever you like - I'd prefer the Land of Roos!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:47
F'n oath to be in oz and see Frenzal Rhomb play
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:49
Who?
(England just beat Australia last week, 3-0 series!)
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:50
Frenzal Rhomb are an Aussie punk band from the 90's who still play, their name is aboriginee for friend of the marsupial
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:50
OK. Learn something new, as they say
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:51
so does that mean Iceland is playing England in the finals?
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:51
Rugby
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:51
oo ok thought you mean euro 2016
Mike
@dcpking
Jun 28 2016 23:51
No. Oz wouldn't be there :)
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:52
I'm kinda surprised they have the bullocks for rugby
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:52
Learning to program makes me feel like an idiot :'(
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:54
@SimplyPhy you're really not alone, the fact that @davidjcastner and @Lilyheart can explain some of this stuff without making me want to check myself into an adult care center is amazing
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:54
I figure once I've got a firm handle on the language structure, and a decent memory of syntax, I should stop feeling dumb :D
adult care centers are overrated; stay home :D
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jun 28 2016 23:55
Don't worry there's always something to get that feeling back, I'm hoping I become addicted to feeling like an idiot so I never stop learning
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jun 28 2016 23:56
Honestly the greatest skill I have is how to form a google search and how to read the search results to find a solid answer.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 23:57
Sorry was distracted by dinner, @Lilyheart yes you will burn out or your projects will turn out boring either one.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jun 28 2016 23:57
Yeah I'm beginning to learn to read documentation, which is helpful
@davidjcastner what say you: "use strict"; or not to "use strict"; ?
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jun 28 2016 23:58
@SimplyPhy I was some background in electrical engineering and robotics but I have only been doing web development since the beginning of 2015
@SimplyPhy use strict whenever possible