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7th
Jul 2016
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 14:31
damn @rmaylie9560 your ass shut down the room
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 14:32
HA! I followed @SimplyPhy ’s idea and took yesterday somewhat off. I still did a few lessons but then things got a bit stressful at home so I watched got a bit caught up on some TV.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 14:36
an excellent plan
so i’m rebuilding catclicker for like the 8th time
this time i have to teach myself knockoutJS to build it, first
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 14:37
applying new knowledge?
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 14:37
:sigh:
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 14:37
fun
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 14:37
same exact functionality and model
oh, sorry…now the cats have nicknames as well as their birth names xD
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 14:38
HA
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 14:38
lol @SimplyPhy
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 14:40
i spent like 4.5 hours straight last night working on it, trying to integrate KOJS code with the existing jS, only to discover that I couldn’t get it to work because (i think) i couldn’t get KO to do string to float conversion of html content
biggest pain in my ass
had i been sitting on my phone, you guys would have endured a great hailing of angry butttexts
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 14:41
never the angry buttext @SimplyPhy there will be no talking shit here lol
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 14:42
:D
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 14:50
so yesterday I accidentally jumped into the angular room and was sooo confused because it was like no one I knew and I understood nothing they were talking about it took like a full 10 minutes to figure out what happened
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 14:50
twilight zone
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 14:50
yes
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 16:39
I hate udacity
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 16:40
why?
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 17:09
A udacity nanodegree involves the following: 5% udacity, 95% figuring it out on your own. And the 5% that they bring to the table, they do with horrible pedigological strategies. The entirety of the nanodegree structure is based around telling you, vaguely and far too quickly, to go do something. They aren’t actually a teaching institution, but they pretend to be. They literally just point around and say go learn this and that.
One might argue that this is good, as a developer will require the ability to find and interpret difficult material on their own. Of course, that is a skill that’s essential to becoming a developer. However, the leverage that an instructional institution is designed to provide is one where the foundational elements of learning are provided, from which one can build. Udacity employs no such leverage. It’s garbage.
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 17:09
Some of the bootcamps are the same way and it is depressing.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 17:13
treehouse and khanacademy are the only online learning tools i’ve found that are making real progress towards becoming excellent educational services. Khanacademy already is AMAZING for most things, it’s just limited on programming learning thus far, though you can get a ways. Treehouse will be greater than udacity in every way one year from now, maybe less. They just need to finish fleshing out their tracks and develop a better grounding from which students can come out of their program employable.
lynda isn’t bad either, though it’s purely “learn this skill and stop”, etc, last i checked
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 17:16
Obviously FreeCodeCamp is my favorite for Front End learning as MontCode was based on it. :laughing: It is a medium depth learning. It doesn't skim, but it doesn't deep dive either. That is why I like it as the base of learning. If you already know one topic, you can breeze through it. If you need something deeper, you can get just enough information to figure out what you need more in-depth on so you know what you are looking for in another course.
I haven't touched back-end yet but it looks about the same just on skimming the topics
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 17:47
I've gone through most of the udacity course for git/github and I can't say I'm impressed. It's mediocre.
I need a ride to Wawa! I can't stand it anymore! AGHGHGHGHH! (Car is getting recall work and being carless SUCKS)
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 17:51
ha and the best thing: that was one of the better courses xDD
but yeah it wasn’t good
Website Performance Optimization was “okay”, and Object Oriented Javascript was actually very good in terms of presentation and reference, but not good in terms of paced and effective course design.
Aside from those, it’s been a shitshow
at first i really hoped the issue was just cameron pittman (though he litters the nanodegrees for web dev), but alas, unfortunately it’s a much deeper-rooted failure
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 19:43
well if you need questions answered MontCode is the way to go :wink2:
I'm struggling at work today. Explaining the complexity of issues to upper management is difficult. One link is broken, upper management thinks the problem is severe and going to take a while to fix (actual fix is changing the url). They then ask for a feature to be able to sort by a new field and think it's easy (actual fix means adding new fields to the database, a complete change in user interface, and making sure all methods associated with it are secure)
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 19:50
anywho, that will always be a problem for developers. But how is everyone else doing?
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Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 19:52
xD I’m okay. I’ve spent too much time playing with changing my terminal prompt around xD
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 19:52
I just printed 200 post cards which has been an all day project and at the end of it the boss was told they were backwards so tomorrow it has to be redone lol
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 19:53
@lantech19446 i feel your pain right now
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 19:54
I'm just glad i'm done in 6 minutes and I get to run to the farm market around the corner. Gonna get some cabbage to start some kraut fermenting
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 19:55
oh I could go for some homemade sauerkraut right now
how long does it take to ferment?
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jul 07 2016 19:56
I'll have to see how much I get in a week or so, I've got a Polish wife so this stuff doesn't sit very long
4 days to 1.5 weeks I generally let the ph come down below 4 before I call it done
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:00
I'll have to try making some
gotta head out but any questions feel free to ask.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:03
I’m coping with the feat of learning knockoutjs, and bulling through udacity garbage
i’m learning most about the process of learning something like this, and trying to constantly improve my approach to the learning process, with an emphasis on productivity
it’s been a pretty rough 2 days
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:06
@SimplyPhy are you just going through the tutorials or are you creating a product at the same time. I learn best when I have something to apply it to, but everyone learns differently
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:06
both, though my original approach was scrappy, since i didn’t actually think i was supposed to be learning a good portion of the damn framework/library/whatever it is
aside from jquery, i’ve not working with abstracted forms of the language, so it’s really weird seeing the same keywords do different things, and i just really had no idea what was going on. then i tried to augment a project with koJS code, and that floundered after 4.5 hours of banging my head against the screen
today i was stupid enough to begin my day by approaching the same challenge, and getting through it, but failed again, as a: my existing codebase just wouldn’t cooperate with KO, and/or my knowledge of koJS was so limited and unreliable that i just suck at writing it
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:10
This is strictly opinion, but I think learning pure js is the best way and then learning other libraries is easy. And when it comes to style libraries such as bootstrap, they are nice until you want to customize anything. The libraries then become a limitation rather than a useful tool. But they are still important to learn as there are some techniques you can pick up while learning them
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:10
so then i was like okay: i don’t really want to learn koJS right now, but i have to get through this next project (it’s required), and it uses koJS. so i’ve been balancing just getting through the coursework pre-project, while trying my damnest to pick up some functional knowledge of koJS in prep for the real project
yeah i agree, and i feel i’ve gained a half decent grasp on js, but i just wasn’t prepared to suddenly be jumping into knockout
it’s just too much for me to digest quickly right now, and the intro i received really threw me off in terms of mentally preparing for how to approach this sudden, rapid change of context
like kojs is really simple from the outside, and i recognized that early. then failing so miserably with it in my project made me lose my bearings, especially since i was really trying to pushing through as much nanodegree material as possible as quickly as possible (i spent the past 1.5 weeks just hard-studying js, as opposed to progressing in the nanodegree — things that should be interconnected, but sadly are not, despite the expectation set of the instructors)
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:15
maybe this is not the time to suggest this, but if you want a nice framework to learn try Meteor https://www.meteor.com/ . I wouldn't of recommended it a while ago, but since their last major release they have fixed all the issues I had with it
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:15
so after that mishap, i didn’t really know whether to continue pushing hard for nanodegree progress, or to stop and actually learn kojs, which turns out has depth, syntax, completely new dom rules, etc
yeah it’s probably a good one, and hopefully i’ll get to it soon, though unfortunately at the moment such digressions are impermissible. I’m confined by my financial need to get throguh the nanodegree-specific material as quickly as possible
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:17
got it well let me know if you have any questions
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:17
:D
also shitty that management is so ignorant
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:18
@SimplyPhy it's what every developer at every job has to deal with
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:18
funny, perhaps, had you expressed concern ove rthe changing of the link, and acted as though the new ui element were simple, and thereby justifying the full extent of time needed, though in a completely different way than it actually was xD
another unfortunate element of this learning process is that, if i had a mentor or something, i could make progress at a rate of likely x6-x8. any recognition of inefficiency for me can be frustrating :D
:sigh:
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 20:23
x3-x8, depending on the material
ha, the udacity instructor just said, “congratulations, you just made a pretty amazing app. And so much of it was just you, going off on your own, and learning how to build it. Give yourself a high five” (pre-recorded, of course)
what an asshole
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Jul 07 2016 20:27
lol
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Jul 07 2016 23:05
Alas, I’ve discarded the view of my petty grievances being worthy of even a drop of sweat in remorse. :sparkles: :sparkles:
back to the job at hand
Lily Romano
@Lilyheart
Jul 07 2016 23:36
Vent and move on. That is what I try to do.