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Aug 2016
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Aug 04 2016 00:10
@davidjcastner sometime in the next week I'll be working through an advanced web form course; I might uncover something there
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Aug 04 2016 00:55
@SimplyPhy okay thanks, if you see any just let me know, always looking for web design inspiration
Owen Winkler
@ringmaster
Aug 04 2016 13:10
Dunno if it’s the sort of thing you’re looking for, @davidjcastner, but I found the Shopify checkout process pretty snazzy the other day. It’s kind of rare, having been on the internet for so long, for a thing as basic as a checkout form to make me stop and say “wow, that’s kind of cool”. In particular, I was shopping via https://travelmore.co/ There’s nothing really fancy about it, it just struck me as well done.
kevincauto
@kevincauto
Aug 04 2016 13:13
Hey guys! My good friend got me a small freelance project through his work. Basically turn an excel sheet with some basic formulas into an interactive web form. This is the Excel sheet: https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/187731/break_even_calculator.xlsx?t=1470196354316 He wants me to give him a cost for the project. This is my first experience with this sort of thing, so I don't know what to charge. Any suggestions from anyone? Lily said @davidjcastner might be a good person to ask.
Owen Winkler
@ringmaster
Aug 04 2016 13:17
How much time do you expect to spend on it, and what is that time worth to you?
Be sure that you’re also charing for your expertise; charge based on how much time/effort the client is saving by having you do it. (Did you train where they didn’t to be able to perform this task, and how long did that training take/cost, etc.)
I think somewhere in the middle of those two values is fair.
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Aug 04 2016 16:38
^i support that answer :P
also, obviously there’s the “good friend” variable to be considered, but that’s a personally valuated variable
Owen Winkler
@ringmaster
Aug 04 2016 17:21
Bear in mind that a “good friend” should know and value what your time is worth, even if they’re not paying the full price.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Aug 04 2016 17:54
@kevincauto Owen @ringmaster provided the best answer (estimated hours * hourly rate). The hourly rate is up to you and what you think your time is worth. Estimating time is really hard though. Things you should consider other than just creating the actual web form: where is it going to be hosted, how are you going to get it to where you are going to host, is it a single page application or a multiple page application, what about domain name, and it is likely that you will be asked to add additional features.
I can give you a better idea of the complexity after you know those details
Owen Winkler
@ringmaster
Aug 04 2016 18:00
What’s the consensus around here on javascript frameworks? What’s in favor? React? Angular? Ember? Elm?
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Aug 04 2016 18:00
@kevincauto this also provides a good way to validate your cost of the project. Most people hiring freelancers don't take into consideration how much time is spent on a project and therefore offer way less than they should.
@ringmaster angular seems to be past it's prime (not saying its old fashioned yet, but new developers are turning to react). React is considered the trending and best option by many at the moment, although there are some legal issues that might hinder it in the future. I use Blaze, but am working on picking up React in my free time. I know Ember is popular, but don't know enough about it. And I haven't heard of Elm before
Owen Winkler
@ringmaster
Aug 04 2016 18:04
$work’s chat app is in Ember, and it was kind of painful. React looks interesting, but I’m not a big fan of compiling my js, which I suppose I’ll just have to get over.
David Castner
@davidjcastner
Aug 04 2016 18:05
yea compiling js is essential to any good framework
in my personal opinion picking up react would be worth while, and angular isn't worth while
Owen Winkler
@ringmaster
Aug 04 2016 18:08
It was just in the list. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Aug 04 2016 18:31
I’ve actively researched the framework environment recently, and my understanding is that Angular 2 is the leader, React is popular and trending well, and aurelia is the most prominent object of interest to the js community
also, according to my personal research into indeed.com job trends, angular is significantly more in demand than react, though react has been increasing in demand faster than angular
Eric Phy
@SimplyPhy
Aug 04 2016 23:20
so my first real web form is nearly finished :D
just need to add localstorage functionality, and a means of reading that local storage in the future