Evening. What is everyone coding tonight?
@Lilyheart re EGR 111: interesting that they concentrate on C++ (2 of 3 parts of the course) and RobotC for the other third. I would have expected three different languages for exposure to variety.
I have done nada today my head hurts too bad
Ugh, I've been lazy over the holidays. Nothing right now
Struggling with bits of this :( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/exam-70-473.aspx
I did just gif the lyrics to I wish though lol
@dcpking I honestly didn't read past the link I sent. I see that there is another link on that page with details. Could just be due to length of time. Hard to get up to speed in multiple languages when you only meet a few hours a week xD
@lantech19446 that sucks. I hates headaches.
feels like a headcold, all day :(
@TScottM12 you an' me both man. I have so many things that need to get done... so I've done none of it.
huh? Oh!! That's weird ... I wrote that ages ago. It only just showed up as I hit return on a new line <puzzled>!
@Lilyheart That's exactly my issue lol... I'll stare at my to-do list half the day and get to none of it because it's so daunting I don't know where to begin
bizarro mike.
xD I jus don't wanna. /tantrum.
@TScottM12 when that happens to me that means I have "projects" on the to do list, not to do items. i.e. Things need to be broken down further.
yep
Sounds right, @Lilyheart
All else fails, eat the frog. Frog meaning the most horrible thing on the todo list. “Eat a live frog first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.” -Mark Twain
My frog right now is cleaning my desk xD I should do that during chat as I really don't wanna do anything else on the computer until my desk is cleaned up post-college finals
I was wondering when you became so french
Lilyheart @Lilyheart snarfs.
LOL
Started an interesting course for winter break (really need to make some progress on it soon tho....) Learning How to Learn: Powerful mental tools to help you master tough subjects
Solution: Clean some stuff off the desk and put it on the chair so you can't sit down until you finishing cleaning the desk.
lol
Okie, the NORAD station has been cleaned off and wiped down. Time to put 'er back together.
norad station?
Ha! I have one monitor not in use, and one PC not in use. Other than that, 7 screens :(
hmmm.. detour first. The light that usually hides that I hacked a wifi controller onto doesn't seem to be connected.
xD Everything is off but the main computer and the house so four screens. Three on the PC and one on HAL9000. NORAD is what one of my previous teachers called my desk setup.
oh man. I really need to organize my nerd stuff better. I almost thought I lost my FTDI usb adapter. Not even sure if @dcpking could rescue me.
If my phone ever decides to upload the picture, I'll post a pic of what it looks like.
are you a ham or something @Lilyheart ?
dated one once, but myself no.
thought maybe you did weather watchers
Hello
'ello. Mike right?
Yes
hmmm... I think my computer is the one that didn't like to upload the arduino code onto the huzzah board... I really wasn't in the mood for this level of debugging tonight xD Someday I really gotta figure out what I'm doing :laughing:
dcpking is a Mike. Is developerguy50 a Mike too?
yar
Ya, I am
We have several xD
The more the merrier.
The Legion Of Mikes! I was "Teenie Mike" when at University. You can imagine how many were ahead of me :) (in Elect. Eng only!)
so what you're telling us mike is that humor in the uk has been that dry since our parents parents time
@Lilyheart What's the magic for putting a picture up here?
Perfect, I'll be super tall Mike! I'm super tall.
on windows web i drag and drop into the brower window. on the mac i copy paste from clipboard
brb
you mustn't leave us!
I started dragging/dropping in Chrome and it outlined a frame that's the whole screen in size - same for you?
yar
that's the "drop target"
a drop zone so large even the french air force could hit it
Ha!!
Here is a question. I use a 3 year old Dell laptop. I have a chance to get a 2010 MacBook in 17 inch but was wondering if this is a little to old and if I would have to worry about it being obsolete?? Anyone have any knowledge on this and is it better to develop on a Mac or a Pc?
Bie Sur, mon ami barbee!
@developerguy50 I think more to the point would be why on earth you want an apple when you can put linux on a fairly new dell
nice setup @dcpking
Didn't know that...
The left two are my own Linux machine that I'm learning on/developing on; the next three are an equally-sized Dell from Ford, and the far right is a surface that Microsoft gave me. I have to stop there because next comes the record dek, and the cables will only just stretch to my laptop as it is!
system76 is great, honestly @developerguy50 go crapple if you're going to design but if you want to do development all the major industry players right now are linux native
IF you have a reason to learn the Mac OS and you already don't know it, it could be okay, but yeah... that's kinda old.
Some are mac OS to be fair.
What do you want to do with your machine, @developerguy50 ? And will you be around at the library meetup tomorrow evening? 'cos I should be there with the System-76 I use, so you can see it
Lay a pillow on it and go to sleep somedays.
Dell laptops are good for that. Some of them can get nice and warm xD
@Lilyheart I think I'd prefer an older mac if it weren't for the whole panned obscillescense thing. My friend does design on his 6,000 dollar macbook and it freezes constantly he never had a problem with his last few he said he's going linux as soon as he's out from under this one
I'm a photographer and would like to build a website from scratch. I think what I have from Walmart may be okay to use for now.
So long as you get a machine with desktop components and not laptop components then that'll be fine - it'll play you Disney movies to get you to sleep while keeping you warm enough not to need a sleeping bag :)
lol
Perfect, I couldn't ask for more
depends on how heavy and intense your photo editing is you really do want those desktop comps.
Remind your friend, @Lilyheart , that he can run Linux in a VM on his Mac ...
o.O wha friend?
The one without $6,000 ! :)
outside of montcode I don't even think I have any mac friends xD
Right now I have a dell with 500gb hd, 6 gig of ram and a 25 inch monitor hooked to it just for extra viewing.
matt?
I don't know - Oh - sorry! That was @lantech19446 's post! oops!
running a vm won't do any good it's still running through mac os
heh. well you did talk to matt about new laptops at a meetup once. I think he did decide to go system76
What compiler do I need to use JavaScript? I've been focusing on Python but see that I'll need some front end shortly after.
none
browser renders directly
Give me an example on how to write a short program like "hello world". I have Windows 10
step by step (baby steps...(goo goo ga gaa)
what browser are you using?
explorer
Microsoft edge
right click on the page and hit inspect (it's on explorer anyway, i don't have edge)
A thing will pop up on the page and there should be "tabs" across the top. Click console.
no options like that...I did try my chrome browser and it says inspect
lemme know when you have it or if you have any issues. my roommate has edge and I can see where things are.
stick with chrome xD
same thing there tho. inspect, then console.
I'm at the console screen. I see lots of failed errors. I'll ignore them
type
alert("Hello world");
and then press enter
That's the code. Put it into a file called hw.html and then double-click that. The rest of the file might be:
no mike xD you can do it in the console.
he wanted a short program!
yeah short program
You have to tell it that it's a javascript script, I think, Lily
I see
not in the console log xD try it!
is there a run button?
just hit enter!
and there will be a popup.
woah nelly...it worked!
will this damage my operating system making programs this way?
is there something I should use longterm or no?
a lot of JavaScript you can test in the console. but it's really just for single line super easy code.
JavaScript easier to grasp than Java?
What browser are you using that has a console, @Lilyheart ?
chrome
Ah
yes and no. JavaScript is easier... BUT! You have to use javascript with HTML and CSS so you have to learn three bits.
I recommend going here https://www.freecodecamp.com/map
You need to learn some HTML first. Then some CSS. Then you can start in on JavaScript.
You need all three to make your website.
That's why companies have all three listed on job offers.
/nod
none of them are worth anything without the other two.
@dcpking almost all browsers have a console.
Ahhhh!!! Nobody told me that and I was taking Java lessons from a teacher for a few months. Never knew, although it was Java. So, backend stuff can stand alone kind of?
Java is to JavaScript like Car is to Carpet like Ham is to Hamsters.
I see, very understandable
Knowing any language will help with learning other languages tho.
I learn Java during the school semesters and web stuff on the down time.
I knew Chrome did, @Lilyheart , but Edge seems not to - I was trying to use that as @developerguy50 was using Win 10
So I should go to code academy and learn Html
How long (know prior coding experience) will it take to learn Html?
I recommend https://www.freecodecamp.com/map
ok
code academy if free code camp doesn't match your style.
HTML is very simple. CSS is not as simple. JS is really not simple.
If you are talking about how long to really learn all three? Forever and a day. If you want to know how long before you can make something small but cool. Not long at all.
Look at that map I linked.
You start making a website about 15 hours into learning.
I started with code academy Css but jumped into Java. I use a 5 hour video I paid $70 for.
Ok
What did you think of Colt's UDemy course, @Lilyheart ? Too much for a beginner?
Yeah. Too much for brand new to HTML/CSS beginner anyway. After FCC Basic Javascript maybe.
If I can make a kickbutt website, I might get employed. Photography has it's ups and downs as well. Measuring light and getting proper exsposures can be tricky.
My roommate does photography. Well, did. Had his own darkroom etc.
SO 2 months to grasp it? Can how long before I can dabble in all 3 front end languages?
dabble? 20-30 hours of study?
@dcpking that course is full price right now xD I can only recommend it when udemy has a sale :p
Your opinion - how much time per day do you think I should spend per day?
ignore the second "per day"
that is a very personal decision. Really depends on you. Some people can learn going hard for 20 hours at a time ( @SimplyPhy heh) Some need to learn in short bits and play around with lots of breaks.
You rangggg :)
lulz
I wondered if you should show <3
I should :P
How many hours a day did you study? I know you went really HARD at it tho. Phy to the extreme.
I have 5 hours a day to spend in between work and personal life.
Code Academy lets you type code onto the website but for my on use, do I need a compiler for those 3 front ends you spoke of?
Yeah the summer it was about 10 hours/day, since I would take a 3 hour break midday for exercise/food, then weekends were like 6/hr a day average
Lots of time then :) Try to study a few hours on a topic in the FCC and then actually put it into a page or two. Then maybe relax a little and give it a quick once-over before quitting. And no, you don't need a compiler at all - they're all interpreted, by the code in the browser
Actually I go harder now ☠️
I was doing 90-97 hour weeks my first 3 weeks at this job
Go hard or go home (football)
But now it's like 60/week, so a lot better
@developerguy50 no compiler. I recommend starting FCC and if you have any questions, holler here. It should answer all of your basic questions tho.
Woah!!
FCC??
FreeCodeCamp :)
Federal Communications Commission? :)
No but very similar
right :)
( ve are vatchingk you!!)
Are those 5 hours consecutive?
Eric, do you not have a degree in the field but work in the field?
My bachelors is in broadcasting,mass media, ...I'm an idiot
At last! He's admitted it!
! My roommate's degree is something like that as well Eric!
He's in IT as well xD
i was sitting in front of my mac while typing to you guys on my phone
xD
broadcasting, mass media, and telecomms
oh neat :D
My Dell Laptop is good enough to one day build real world applications or do I need an upgrade for sure?
you can build on whatevers
you can code on a piece of junk with notepad.
My bachelors is in philosophy lol. I still don't know what I was thinking
nothing but
:P
But notepad doesn't have debugging software.
Ever thought about getting into UI/UX @TScottM12 ? It's actually kinda a good thing there iirc.
awww, nice to be on gitter and not slack
Good enough, very likely - it's all little text files. The heavy lifting comes when you start throwing video around, but then you get someone else's machine to do that for you
you left us xD We've always been here :p
i left everyone
those first three weeks were all absorbing
debugging web code isn't like debugging java. No compiler errors! They are all run time... meaning in the browser xD
and the job hunt was really intense too
NotePad++ or UltraEdit
/nod /nod
@Lilyheart Maybe. I do have a bit of background in graphic design
i’m doing basically all UI right now
notepad++ likes to hang up for a minute randomly. I still use it for homeautomation coding because I have syntax highlighting there and I'm too lazy to convert it.
actually working on a really data-heavy design in sketch right now
Having fun with it, @SimplyPhy ?
it has it’s pros and cons, but ultimately yes
actually yeah, it’s just that my life isn’t very well balanced right now
Where are you getting data from? the file system or a database?
what do you suggest I use for learning htlm, javascript and Css? Just google chrome? (lily)
@TScottM12 I've looked into and I'm pretty sure UX isn't my thing (at least for specialization) but I know I've read in many places a philosophy degree (and related) is very useful.
@dcpking databases
yup! If you start with FCC it'll all be 100% browser for quite a while.
k
don't even need a separate app. All code will be done in the browser.
@SimplyPhy Well, if I can help then ask - that's what I'm paid to know about.
i’m not really involved with the backend, but i’ll definitely be in touch if something comes to light
ok. email is moniker here @gmail
Ok guys - gotta go finish studying that bit of Azure - I'm intending being at the library tomorrow evening - see you all there/then
See ya
night mike