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Jan 2018
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 21:48
Hello
Anyone familiar with WordPress?
Orrrr.... iiiis anyone on this chat...? ?
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:50
nope but i might still remember some microsoft frontpage
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 21:51
hello
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:51
Hello all!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:51
nina I feel so bad for you
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:52
I have some familiarity with WordPress. I'm sure others do in this group too, just don't know if they will be in chat tonight
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 21:52
Lol still doing homework this week...but I am moving along
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:52
people must butcher your last name horribly
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 21:53
Thanks for responding. Trying to find out of I'm going to totally wipe out the existence of my current old html site by installing WordPress into a subdirectory under my url... It'd be something like "public/2018... or if this will leave my current site alone. I don't want to hit the history eraser button if you know what I mean. #renandstimpy
I want to start using a WP theme instead of the old html. I'm not a super tech-guy if you can't already tell.
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 21:54
Yes they do...Oddly enough Alexa (Amazon Echo) got it right. Now that is technology!
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:54
Before you do anything, take a backup of your site. Zip it up or something and put it somewhere to store in the case things go off.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:55
my wife is Polish but her maiden name was ellam and people can't even get that right
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 21:55
Yes, definitely. But can the two coexist while I monkey around with WP?
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:55
It shouldn't wipe out your site so long as you follow WordPress installation instructions. They are quite thorough.
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:55
could you imagine if your last name was Czerw?
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 21:55
Thanks G! ... 7470 ..
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:56
You're welcome @Ellinastathi_twitter
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 21:56
There is a soccer player named Wojiech Szczesny. That's a last name!
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:56
yea I'll buy a vowel
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 21:57
:smile:
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 21:57
her mom's maiden name was Psonak easy name to pronounce nothing like drozd or raduczewski
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 21:57
G7470- when you say "shouldn't".... have you seen this before?
I mean .. wiping out?
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:58
I have, but that was before WordPress really had their act together with instructions. When I first installed my version, I installed it on the site's root. Which, if you do that...bad things, lol
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 21:59
hmmm... ok. I'm assuming there's a "you just screwed up your old site" guide to installing WP on their site.
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 21:59
(That is, if you want to keep the rest of your site together)
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 22:00
well stathi you know what they say about assuming
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:02
Thanks for your help, G7470. I'll see what happens.
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:08
G7470 ... if you're still there... any preference for downloading WP to your computer vs. installing it on your site's server and working on it online?... if that makes any sense.
I'd rather work on it on the hosting server, I suppose.
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:13
Or anyone else if you know anything about wordpress
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:16
For me, I don't really have a preference one way or another. I've done both, and didn't really find any distinct differences between them.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:18
Hey all
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:19
Hey Caryn
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 22:19
hi
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:19
You get automatic updates via WP if you work off your server, though, correct ?
sorry, new to all this ... reading as I'm typing.
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:20
That's correct, so long as you have that option turned on (which it is by default)
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:23
@Ellinastathi_twitter - you might be able to get auto update with a local install too - let me check one of my dev accounts
Doesn't look like it's set that way on any of mine but I think you might be able to set it in wp-config -
I'd have to test to give a definitive answer.
Cando2
@Cando2
Jan 02 2018 22:31
Hello All, I found the group through MeetUp. A complete coding beginner here. Going through FreeCodeCamp challenges right now and considering other classes to learn coding. Just thought I'd say hello. I'm Kim
Nina Gajewski
@potnoodlez
Jan 02 2018 22:32
Hi Kim! Nice to meet you!
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:32
Ok. I'm just getting into WP - flew threw the modules recently, updating sections, copy, images, etc. Trying to set it up on my own on a URL that I have access to. I had a super coder guy helping me before, but it was already installed on the server... wpengine. Now, I'm on my own trying to see if I can get it to work without totally destroying the current html site.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:32
Hi @Cando2 - welcome
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:33
translation: I learned enough to be dangerous.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:34
@Ellinastathi_twitter you could install WP Migrate DB plugin and use it to clone the site to a local install
what's your end objective?
Cando2
@Cando2
Jan 02 2018 22:36
Nice to meet you all too. Thank you.
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:36
Welcome @Cando2!
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:39
My end objective... my goals... install WP - hopefully in a subfolder on my url-.. without breaking the current HTML site. Choose a theme in WP and start adding imagery and copy to sections. Figure out how to add custom CSS enough to do basic things like background:fixed and parallaxing imagess in the background. Make any sense?
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:40
so you're on the same domain/hosting account as the original and you want 2 separate WP installations, the existing one in webroot and new one in subdirectory? or did you want to move it?
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:42
Same domain yes. Not sure I need 2 separate WP installs... I just want one site eventually. Once the new WP site is done I'd like to somehow flip a switch and make the WP site replace the crappy old HTML site.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:43
so your existing site that you don't want to mess up is html, and not the wpengine WP site?
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:43
Hmmm
I'm thinking a subdomain might be useful here
Create a subdomain, install WP on the root of that (since it sounds like you want it on the root of your new site once the WP stuff is ready). This way, the "move" will be relatively easy.
What are your thoughts on it @ccziriak?
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:47
subdomains can be tricky with WP (at least for me) - if I had to solve this I would probably just install WP in a new subdirectory initially, then migrate site to root directory with WP Migrate DB when ready
Stathi
@Ellinastathi_twitter
Jan 02 2018 22:48
CCz - yes. G7470... not sure how to do that, but it sounds good. I gotta run out for about 20 min. I'll check back asap... but if you guys can come up with any suggestions, I"m all ears. Thanks and talk in a bit! I'll check back on this thread to see where I ended up.
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:48
Interesting. I had the exact opposite problem then, lol.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:51
I seem to remember having path issues with a subdomain - then used the plugin to migrate and it worked without issues. It does a search and replace on the path/urls
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:52
Weird. I did it manually, so...maybe that's why?
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:56
possibly - did you have to go through the database and do a manual search and replace or did the paths just work?
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 22:56
Had to do some database work, but not much
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 22:58
with WP Migrate DB (there's a free version) you have to do a little bit too but mainly just dropping all the tables and replacing with a database export
from the source site
Matthew Hassell
@mhassell
Jan 02 2018 23:02
Howdy! So Abyss coffee in lansdale is closed for good it seems. I was thinking about trying to move the weekend meetup to the lansdale library - if we'er a nonprofit/individual, do we have to pay or get insurance or anything like that?
I should mention @lantech19446
G7470
@G7470
Jan 02 2018 23:06
Sad to hear about Abyss coffee. They had some really good hot chocolate!
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:13
Yeah it was a nice place to meet
Adam - were you able to leave the subdomain WP site intact as a staging area when you moved to the webroot?
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:16
@Ellinastathi_twitter Have you looked at using WP Multi-site?
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:17
have stayed away from multisite on advice from WP experts I know
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:18
I've got a multi-site running pretty well... but I just looked back at the beggining of the thread for what Stathi was doing, and I don't think it's what he wanted...
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:19
I've heard it can be resource intensive, and all your sites have to use the same theme, if I remember correctly
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:20
Not sure how it would be more resource intenstive (overall) than separate sites, although you might need to configure your PHP to allocate more memory. Also, the theme issue is long since fixed. You can configured separate themes, even separate plugins if you need to.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:21
Good to know
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:21
http://andalso.fyi - look at the site links (drop down menu under the gear) if you want to see it in action.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:22
I'm looking migrations I've done and I'm not sure I ever migrated a site from subdirectory into root on the same domain - has always been from a local install to either new webroot install or subdirectory install
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:24
That could be tricky, but I think my favorite deployment plugin, All-in-One WP Migration handles it ok if they're separate installs. Multi-site support is a paid upgrade tho, so I haven't used that on that site I linked.
All-In-One handes most of the configuration and database imports. The only time I've had issues is migrating from older versions of WP where the theme or plugins aren't current, sometimes they lose configurations.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:26
cool multisite implementation
is All-in-One WP Migration free or premium?
for non multi-site
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:27
The base is free for non-multisite. Part of why it's a favorite. ;-)
Dead simple to use.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:28
will have to check it out
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:29
I started using it because I was using Desktop Server to do dev and deployment, and I found out that it wouldn't deploy to managed WP sites on my host.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:30
hey @NotTheDBA - have you worked with Gutenberg?
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 23:31
Hey @mhassell you wouldn't have to pay but our community room is probably booked through most of 2018 already. If it's not to loud I'm you'd be able to use a couple of our tables and we have wifi through the whole building
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:31
I have not.
Matthew Hassell
@mhassell
Jan 02 2018 23:34
@lantech19446 Very cool, thanks. Should we fill out the form still and run it past the directors and all? I don't want to have a clandestine meetup that causes problems at the library!
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:35
I've started looking into Gutenberg a little but keep abandoning it to work on a client site
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:35
What do you think of it so far?
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 23:35
We don't really even have a form, call 215-855-3228 and talk to Pat she books the room, I suspect they might let you use the directors office if you only have 3-5 people but don't quote me on that
Matthew Hassell
@mhassell
Jan 02 2018 23:35
Sounds good, many thanks! @lantech19446
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:35
it's very different - and pretty basic so far
Jonathan Herman
@lantech19446
Jan 02 2018 23:36
no problem, and if you pick the right Saturday's I'll be here lol
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:36
waiting to see how it will handle custom post types and whether ACf will work with it
Randy R.
@NotTheDBA
Jan 02 2018 23:37
Makes sense.
ccz
@ccziriak
Jan 02 2018 23:37
i tried creating some custom gutenberg blocks but haven't gotten very far with it