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    Ahmed Charles
    @ahmedcharles
    Hours of my life I'll never get back.
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven
    Well perhaps we shouldn't be relying on passwords any longer and should get into biometrics instead? Though I am sure I remember a futuristic film where the hero or possibly the baddie escapes or gains access by using a detached eyeball from the body of an authorised user which he has brought with him in a polythene bag to get past an iris-scanning access-control system - so in some cases even unique body-parts might not be the best solution...
    Oh, and hiya @ahmedcharles - it's been a while...
    Ahmed Charles
    @ahmedcharles
    The importance of the item being secured should be reflected in the mechanism used to secure it.
    My eye is more important than lots of things I secure with passwords
    And, in the US, the constitution protects you from having to provide a password, but would not protect you from being compelled to provide your eye to unlock something.
    but more importantly, even without that protection, you could still prevent them from accessing whatever is locked and their only recourse would be to imprison you.
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven

    ...you could still prevent them from accessing whatever is locked and their only recourse would be to imprison you.

    Yeah, the Courts have that option in the UK for failing to provide a password/private encryption key upon the direction of said Court - guess it is treated as a form of "Contempt of Court" - even if you genuinely cannot remember it (and using a password manager is one way to not have the details of a password to hand - but obviously that just involves an additional level of indirection in that you just remember the password to the passwords AND have the password manager device - though I think you can now get USB Thumbdrives with built in hardware encryption that destroy themselves or at least the internally held encryption keys should enough incorrect access code entries be used)...

    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven
    Well, using the WiFi in one of the Motels I will be using on the way to my Holiday location - but it seems I cannot get on-line with Linux as I cannot get an IP address from the AP with that OS (of course Lose 7 works fine - but one does have to wonder what other stuff is going on in the background on that OS) so I'll give a brief :wave: and say see y'all in a couple of weeks... :sunglasses:
    keneanung
    @keneanung
    Enjoy your vacation!
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Later, have a good one! Enjoy being unplugged!
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    So the other Steam MUD I was working with got bogged down trying to prove they're non-profit to Steam - they have to contact some members who are long gone for that

    However, there is good news! I got this email yesterday:

    Hi! ;)
    I'm Joker from Clessidra, the first all Italian MUD since 1996.
    We want to use Mudlet as our Official client and we're working on Setting and Customization... are you interested in an Italian localization?
    We may support as italian mirror and reference...

    So that's pretty cool. I'll go forward with the same req's we had before
    keneanung
    @keneanung
    :+1: heard anything from the first steam ?
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Last update was stuck trying to prove they're a non-profit
    keneanung
    @keneanung
    Ah. I thought they were a different team
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    json validator right from the search engine
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Github allows to store a fallback recovery code with for two factor authentication with Facebook, I noticed
    But I'm not all that certain it's something I want to do...
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven

    On my way back to normality err home... and I've got the WiFi working on the Devuan distro that I put onto this newer laptop than I had last year (now got 2GB and 2 cores though the processors are slower IIRC) - a fun thing I had to do to work on Mudlet though is force it to work on Qt 5.5 (last 32-Bit Qt provided binary installer) - fair enough the download of themes for the edbee editor didn't work but since I was then off-line I could just comment out the unsupported line in void dlgProfilePreferences::slot_editor_tab_selected(int tabIndex):

    request.setAttribute(QNetworkRequest::FollowRedirectsAttribute, true);  

    and away I went...

    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven

    Make an interesting discovery in that the Qt Designer plugin in bundled into the QtCreator in the Qt 5.5 installation does not force the horrible anti-translator obfuscation of HTML (or rather Qt's "rich-text" subset of it) in things like tooltips that later versions clobber you with - this is an issue because the 8-year old unfixed bug in Qt Linguist that means that translators have to edit the raw HTML source text and will, instead of say seeing:

    <html><head/><body><p>Hello world!</p></body></html>

    they got presented with:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">

    <html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
    p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
    </style></head><body style=" font-family:'Ubuntu'; font-size:11pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
    <table border="0" style="-qt-table-type: root; margin-top:4px; margin-bottom:4px; margin-left:4px; margin-right:4px;">
    <tr>
    <td style="border: none;">
    <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><span style=" font-family:'Sans'; font-size:9pt;">Hello world!</span></p>
    <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; font-family:'Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:600;"><br /></p>
    </td>
    </tr>
    </table></body>
    </html>

    because Qt Designer now completely disregards it's own control option to use simple formating ... given that translators who are using Qt Linguist (other options are now available) are not necessarily expected to be coders OR fluent in HTML this would be a nightmare for them IMHO.

    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven
    Aaaar! It do be International Speak Like A Pirate Day today - 'tis time to check yer MUD weapons out of the 'aaaarsenal...
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven

    In my possibly somewhat irrational quest to avoid the latest incarnation of PotteringWare I have grasped my HDDs firmly in my hands and juggled partitions around to install FreeBSD on the tertiary HDD for my main PC.

    And blimey, you do have to have your wits about you and ideally have a good grounding in *nix generally to do this IMHO. I know a lot more now about BSD DiskSlices than I did yesterday - I (perhaps unwisely) thought I needed to keep a separate (512MB) /boot partition but unfortunately the osprober for grub2 on Debian just thought it was an "Unknown Linux installation" and only saw the first (the '/') partition in the MBR/MSDOS on the drive and not the BSD labels inside which was problematic because the kernel image was stored a structure at least one further level inside what it could handle. Fortunately I was able to reboot the installation CD in a rescue mode and mount both the FreeBSD / and /boot partitions and copy the contents of the latter to the /boot/ directory on the former which grub2 could see and boot from.

    Anyhow I eventually manages to install the X Server (which is an optional extra for FreeBSM, err FreeBSD) and following that with KDE and FireFox got enough of a GUI together to be able to get back onto the Net to find out how to accomplish other things that need doing. I was just a little perturbed to see that the current (and the previous) incarnations of Debian has dropped some BSD utilities like say an fsck.ufs which is a nuisance should one have a crash/hang when fiddling about during installation (and finding that the SATA DVD/CDROM drive that you have the installation disk appearing as a emulation of the slave drive on your tertiary HDD controller is a disk to far down the list of drives for the installer to see only adds to the fun...)

    Anyway just installing Qt Creator and its dependencies and I am seeing that it is a nice healthy 5.7.1 so I wonder how well Mudlet will port across... :alien:

    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    I remember adjusting some Lua dependency before for FreeBSD, so I think someone has had it running
    But it's not an officially supported platform.
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven

    Humm, with a bit of LIBS / INCLUDES tweaking in the mudlet.pro I was able to build it OK:
    Screenshot of almost complete Mudlet on FreeBSD 11.1
    However there are some issues to resolve - only got two of the run-time Lua dependencies - but I guess I'll have to get more familiar with the /usr/ports/ area of the file-system where everything that is built from source (the longer, but more reliable way) is supposed to be constructed in a standardized way make <stage> <package> as opposed to the more restive way of installing binaries cut from the same files but which have only some options specified in order to create a coherent system...

    Oh, and I do not have access to a working debugger yet as qmake is not including correct debug information yet for debug builds in Qt Creator...

    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Interestingly enough Amsterdam's mouse
    Most famous coffee shop is right around the corner from me now
    The till people wear suits and everything, it's rather upscale. Wtf
    keneanung
    @keneanung
    hehe, nice
    No wonder travis sometimes doesn't work: Get:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty/universe amd64 libschroedinger-1.0-0 amd64 1.0.11-2ubuntu1 [268 kB]
    keneanung
    @keneanung
    Oh that comes from my experiments with gstreamer and sounds
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Hahah
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven
    Does that library really exist - or can't you tell until you try to un-package/install it?
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Yeah, it's a real thing - a media codec!
    @SlySven check this out: https://keybase.io
    Me and @keneanung are on it
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
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    Yeah!
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven

    Does that library really exist - or can't you tell until you try to un-package/install it?

    You didn't seem to get the reference to Schroedinger's Cat...

    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
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    Frustrating user experience MVP. Doesn't tell me what it's looking for, it gives me no clues as to what it's wrong, it might as well say bugger off
    Vadim Peretokin
    @vadi2
    I managed to brute force it after ten tries. Dem halloween discounts.
    Stephen Lyons
    @SlySven
    Having a similar experience myself - trying to get to the checkout on EBay - I am logged in and I have a £3.50 item (a DPST Mains Switch I need to repair the broken one on a bench grinder/belt sander) when I hit the "Proceed to Checkout" I get the EBay login screen again (I am already signed in remember!) which is pre-populated with my user name and (obscured) password - I hit the "Login in" button, some stuff happens, and then the login screen is redrawn exactly the same! :rage: