These are chat archives for MylesIsCool/ViaVersion

22nd
May 2016
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 09:52
Hello
ViaVersion error?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 09:54
Hm what viaversion do you use? /viaversion
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 09:54
I use: 0.8.2
Just updated from 0.8.1
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 09:57
That looks like something with an inventory plugin
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:03
Isn't slot 47 the offhand slot?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 10:08
oh
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:09
@File14 what plugins do you use?
I can't reproduce it
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:14
I mostly use customly coded
So It's something with an inventory?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:15
Yes
Do you modify any inventory packets?
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:16
Nope
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:16
When does it happen btw?
When you click on the new 1.9 second hand slot?
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:16
[11:56:35 INFO]: Teleported mouni100 to 0.5, 40.0, 0.5
[11:56:48 INFO]: Teleported mouni100 to -80.5, 6.0, 25.5
[11:56:48 FATAL]: Error executing task
When a guy teleported
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:17
:l
Are you sure all your plugins are made for 1.8?
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:17
Yes
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:18
Could you try to debug it a little bit?
Remove some plugins
See which one is causing it
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:19
This is the first time the error appears
Maybe something with a 1.9.4 guy?
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:42
Guys a I've a question
You guys have been working with 1.8 and 1.9. Which one is the best in the performance way? I'm running most of my servers on 1.8.8 but should I upgrade to 1.9? Is it worth it?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 10:43
early 1.9 is poor in some aspects
I believe in the latest spigot 1.9.4 it's better
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:44
1.9.4 better than 1.8 is that what you mean? Or just better than 1.9?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 10:45
better than 1.9
File14
@File14
May 22 2016 10:45
ok
But is it worth upgrading from 1.8.8 to 1.9.4?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:47
If most of your playerbase is 1.9 I'd upgrade to 1.9
.4
In my case, 70% of the people still use 1.8
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 10:51
0.8.3 is now out, really only use it if you want the small changes otherwise no big fixes. Thanks to @Matsv for the supported version magic :)
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 10:51
And also a thanks for breaking craftbukkit previous version? :D
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 10:51
well that was kinda my fault
;)
SupermanYT
@SupermanYT
May 22 2016 15:55
@MylesIsCool , can please add an self-updater, not just an announcer? Because for me will be more easy , with a bungee network.
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 15:56
@SupermanYT no
SupermanYT
@SupermanYT
May 22 2016 15:56
@MylesIsCool A bit disappointed
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 15:57
@SupermanYT why would we add it
SupermanYT
@SupermanYT
May 22 2016 15:58
Because, i have to donwload the update, and put every new version in every 10 servers
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 15:58
Then write yourself a script to do it
The reason we don't auto deploy (sourced from MylesIsCool/ViaVersion#317) :
If we deploy a bad build by accident, servers will instantly upgrade to it.
This is a protocol modification, reloads are not good. It would require a reboot.
Owners become less aware of changes / incompatibilities that could happen to their server.
SupermanYT
@SupermanYT
May 22 2016 15:59
Yeah... My next week will be occupied
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 15:59
You can find wget details on the main post if you need to write a script or what
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 18:53
@SupermanYT I'm working on a script or plugin for the network I develop for, that will auto update ViaVersion and restart the entire network when no players are on, if I can figure it out I'll give you the code
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:03
I am considering to update to 1.9 soon and I want to say thank you so much @MylesIsCool for making this amazing plugin. Also a big thanks to @Matsv for all his fixes and conterbuitions with the other conterbuters. At the end thank you for making such a thing available for everyone
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:04
:)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:05
Many servers are bound by stubborn PvPers who hate the new system because GASP they have to actually think instead of click really fast with OP armor :O
Unfortunately the network owner I work for gives into their whining as well
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:06
hah
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:06
to be honest that what is making me not wanting to do it
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:06
So now we have two servers with the same thing, one is 1.8 with ViaVersion, and one is pure 1.9
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:06
but I will try to add the plugin ProtocolSupport if you have heard of it
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:07
To support 1.8 back? ;)
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:07
ya
but I wish no bugs gonna come with it
as the developer made the plugin to support 1.4.7-1.9
to join 1.9 servers
I only need the 1.8+
as the lower it get the more bugs that might come
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:08
If I'd use it, I would block older versions than 1.8
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:09
I would do that but i think I will need to add another plugin
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:09
But yeah, backwards compatibility will always have more disadvantages for older versions
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:10
and might cause bugs and crashes
like if I have a plugin to send titles to players and protocolsupport dont translate the packets for 1.5 for example
then they will crash
or might crash the server
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:11
I think they handle that
:P
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:11
ik
but what i mean there might be something they forgot
and it could do such a thing
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:11
There are always things you forget :)
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:11
specially when you support too many versions
like 2 versions arent a big deal but more than 4 versions
that probably has a big thing forgotten
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:12
Not sure how their system is designed
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:13
btw if I use spigot 1.9.4 or 1.9
do all the 1.9 versions join?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:13
With ViaVersion yes
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:13
without it?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:13
nope
with 1.9.4 only 1.9.4 can join
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:13
it used to do that with 1.8
they stopped?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:13
with 1.9.2 only 1.9-1.9.2 can join
Mojang introduced gameplay changing features
So yeah
That's why they chose to not support older versions
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:14
so 1.9-1.9.2 have same nms code
right?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:14
Yes
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:14
1.9.3-1.9.4 same also
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:14
No
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:15
wasnt it just a small thing fix?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:15
1.9 - 1.9.2 -> 1_9_R1
1.9.4 -> 1_9_R2
Nah
They also added /stopsound
And some performance improvements
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:16
does protocolsupport work with viaversion?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:16
no
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:16
on 1.9?
oh
so if im switching I need to switch to 1.9.4
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:16
yep
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:16
So many numbers
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:16
xD
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:16
haha
https://jd.matsv.nl is now 50% faster :D
Well for me at least
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:17
how's that mats :O
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:17
XD
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:17
xD
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:17
Haha
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:17
do you think I should switch to 1.9 by now or no?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:18
Majority of servers are still 1.8
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:18
if you use protocolsupport & trust it then go for it
The best idea is to record stats of users
and see who uses 1.8
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:18
most of them use 1.8
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:18
still 70% for me on 1.8 :(
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:18
pie
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:18
I would say the same for me
about 70% do use 1.8
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:19
@SirFaizdat where do you get the stats :o
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:19
So many people still use 1.7.10
my god
mcstats.org
right?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:19
it's cause of mods
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:19
Here are global stats
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:19
7% unknown??
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:19
Wow a majority of servers are offline mode
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:19
Yeah
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:19
54.1%
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:19
It's so sad
:(
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:20
most of the new servers are offline mode
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:20
Hm but bungeecord also counts as 'Offline mode server' right?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:20
Why does Mojang even make that an option?
No
Bungee can be online, but the servers under it must be offline
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:20
yeah
but mcstats will think it's offline then
right?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:20
Hmm maybe
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:20
ya true
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:20
But if that were the case, there would be a lot more offline mode servers than we see now
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:21
I use offline mode for developing cause I don't trust mojang
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:21
Oh yeah same
don't want to restart my game every 10 minutes
'Invalid session'
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:22
same for me for my test server
as everytime I log off it would tell me restart the game
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:22
So many people still use old Essentials
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:23
spigot-essentials?
or the older one?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:23
I guess no way to tell, they're named the same
I assumed that when Essentials said it would no longer update, that EngineHub's CommandBook would take over
But nope, instead, hundreds of forks showed up
And EssentialsX dominated
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:24
drtshock was one of the main essentials dev
now someone else is updating it
also was from old essentials dev
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:24
They made a stupid decision to stop updating
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:25
I never liked essentials tbh
Was too much changing
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:25
I much preferred CommandBook
EngineHub's plugins are good
Anything by MassiveCraft, EngineHub, Myles, or inventivetalent is golden
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:25
what about by Myles cries
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:25
I use essentials as most of the plugins are coded for it or work best for it
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:26
There we go
Wait a minute... didn't you make PerWorldPlugins too?
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:28
ya he did
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:28
:O never knew that
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:28
Uh does anyone know if my site will explode if I remove an AAAA record?
The A record is still there
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:29
Nah, if they're the same
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:29
when he made his post that he is making a plugin to allow 1.9 to join 1.8 servers on spigot
I checked his resources
didnt find any
then went to bukkit
and found pwp
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:29
@SirFaizdat Ok I blame you if everything breaks <3
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:29
Oh wait
WAIT
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:29
Oh god
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:29
AAAA records route to IPv6, A records route to IPv4
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:29
Oh
Well I have to update that then
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:30
perworldplugins is satan i'm just gonna say that
it hit like top 100 mc plugins then i realised what monster i had created
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:30
haha
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:31
and you didnt stop there
you made a bigger one
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:31
then i decided, hey i've pissed off about 30 plugin authors who can I piss off next
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:31
viaversion
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:31
I thought hey maybe the spigot dev team
;) ;)
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:31
xDDD
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:31
Haha
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:31
I know that md_5 has said he hates Via lol
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:31
md_5 hates everything >.<
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:31
Just because people don't update
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:32
Did you ever hear what he said at MineCon?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:32
Nah :P
I got a spigot shirt actually
my friend went to minecon and picked one up for me
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:32
I think it was a Forge and Spigot panel
I can't quite remember
A concerned parent asked them "are these mods and plugins going to cause viruses?"
And the Forge guy (I don't know if it was Forge or something else) was like "We validate each mod/plugin to ensure they're safe).
And md_5 is like
"Eh, our community catches them most of the time."
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:33
lmao
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:37
Btw I've created bigger and worse monsters
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:37
oh
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:37
public?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:37
Yes
My first plugin was back before I understood the whole concept of licenses
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:38
what was it?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:38
It is Prison 2, which is a buggy nuisance but not as bad as Prison 1
For Prison 1, I copy pasted the code for MineResetLite and PayRank, adapted them a wee bit and published it
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:39
I saw too many prison plugins might have seen it
xDDDD
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:39
gg there sir
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:39
And my God that was the worst thing I ever done, because ALL the problems from MRL, and ALL the problems from PayRanks, plus ALL my problems from my then bad Bukkit skills, teamed up to create over 100 GitHub issues within 2 weeks of its release
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:40
wow
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:40
Not over
Around*
And what made it a monster is that I didn't even understand the code, so I literally was not able to help anyone or fix anything
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:41
lol
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:41
The best part about coding java for years is just looking at other peoples code that doesn't work and knowing how to fix it
(that is if it's relatively simple aha)
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:42
btw guys
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:42
If someone asks me to do a code review, and if there are no comments, I simply run the opposite direction
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:42
Have you seen the codes of ncp aac and antiaura?
if so which one seems better?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:42
If anyone here even admitted that
it's against the terms of AAC
and most likely antiaura
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:43
puts away fernflower and sighs
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:43
I've worked with the NCP code though
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:43
but did you? xD
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:43
the survival fly anti cheat is like 1k lines of code
quite impressive
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:43
it nearly blocks everything
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:45
My monster lasted from 3/29/14 to 6/25/14, until I decided to rewrite it myself
And this new monster I made called prison 2 lasted from then until present, in which it still doesn't work too well and I'm afraid to touch it
I'm hoping that the recode I'm working on right now will be an actual good one, however it'll piss off premium plugin developers for I'm adding paid features to a free plugin... evil and maniacal laugh
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:47
Paid plugins aren't bad if they have quality and are a decent price
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:48
some of them are good but not all
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:48
If you look at latest resources you will definitely see some low quality ones
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:48
I have seen a plugin on spigot for 50$ i think xD
no one even bought it
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:48
Have you seen MassiveLag?
Who the hell wants to buy a plugin called MassiveLag, let alone for 30 dollars?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:48
30 usd
wtf
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:48
The best paid plugin for lag i've seen is react
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:49
I have seen it
it got too many updates
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:49
well the function of 'MassiveLag' could be pretty useful though
However that name
Na
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:49
It's pretty nice for analytics
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:49
i think its from massivecraft
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:49
It is
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:50
React was released 1 month after ViaVersion
and has nearly double the update count
wait it averages like 3 updates per day
o.o
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:50
sometimes I feel the developers do fake updates
in situations like this
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:51
It looks very good though
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:51
to make it on the newly updated list
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:51
It's called bumping
But I think that can be done by posting in the plugin's Discussion thread too, no need for an update
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:52
no the only way to get it there is to push a new version
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:52
Oh
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:53
so i think the ones that make like 3 or more versions a day
make mistakes in purpose
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:53
Or just add a third of a new feature at a time

Localization feature:
"Add messages file."
"Add messages to the file. Don't forget to delete your message file first!"
"Add functionality for messages."

Boom, 3 updates in a day

ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:54
if it happens 1 time its fine
but not 3 updates every day
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:54
I'm too lazy to do that XD
Awwww I dropped an ice pop on my keyboard , now it's all sticky
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:57
lol
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:57
Rip
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:57
Darned Apple keyboards
I like how they feel when I type so I shell out the money for 'em (me
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:57
Well they are pretty easy to clean right
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:57
Well that's true
I kinda want to lick it though, because that was a good ice pop
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:58
Lol
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 19:58
lol
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:58
At least I didn't drop it on my laptop
This thing has served me well for 4-5 years, but it's falling apart
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 19:59
Do you use OS X for everything?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 19:59
Yes
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 19:59
is os x our lord and saviour
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:00
No, Linux is
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:00
UNIX ftw
No no...
FreeBSD! puts on taped glasses
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 20:00
os x is good but afaik there are not enough games and coding apps like windows and lunix
apps in general are less for osx
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:01
I beg to differ actually
Many many apps are on OS X, and for Windows programs I can just use the Wine emulator
However for games, yeah there aren't many games
Windows is best for games
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:01
I use Windows as gaming partition and Linux as development
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:02
All I usually run are Safari (internet browser), Minecraft, Skype, and IntelliJ IDEA
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:02
Linux and OS X have bash, Windows don't
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:02
Well I heard that Canonical and Microsoft did something to Windows
Still isn't the same
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:02
Oh I never use Skype on my pc
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 20:02
isnt there an app called gitbash
for windows
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:03
Oh and occasionally I run Slack
Only because of its amazing commercial
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:03
ever seen skype on Linux? !skype
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:03
I hate Skype on Linux , that's one of the reasons I don't use Linux actually
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:03
yeah it's a pain
ridalarry
@ridalarry
May 22 2016 20:03
lol
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:03
Also because I like the OS X UI too much, and things like multitouch gestures and such make it more irresistible over Linux imo
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:04
I agree with that. Looks pretty fancy
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:04
I have Ubuntu Server in a VM, I use it for running JetBrains' Upsource, TeamCity, and the such
That's about it
The most expensive thing in my work area is my laptop
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:05
Never used it, wasn't it possible to live code with other people with team city?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:06
No, it's a CI server
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:06
Ah
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:06
There's something called Floobits for live coding
But it's a pain
I just realized how cheap I am
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:06
Only used cloud9 live coding with others
worked ok
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:07
I'm using my father's desk from 25 years ago, an old Dell mouse that I found at a garage sale for free, this keyboard is from a relative
I have two things that I decided not to skimp on, my laptop and my monitor
But even those two are connected by a cheap adapter and the HDMI cable that came with another TV
Oh and my cheapness led me to use evil methods for obtaining IntelliJ IDEA ultimate
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:09
Oh that's way too easy to do
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:10
I don't even use any Ultimate features, just think that it looks cooler...
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:11
I like the database feature
it gives auto complete for queries :)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:11
It's basically DataGrip
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:12
DataGrip is from IntelliJ yes, but IntelliJ has fancy built-in auto completion
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:12
Ah
I wonder if I should celebrate my 136th issue
Because I haven't yet lost my mind, about 90 of them say the same thing
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:15
Make a duplicate detection bot :D
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:15
So, do you guys use digital ocean
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:15
I would if I had money xD
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:15
Hey you know you can get $10 for free by using my referral link
/end of advertisement
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:16
:P
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:17
Well it does give you 25$ credit
But only if people you refer reach 25$ in billings
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:18
True, you probably won't spent 25 dollars right? :P
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:18
Nah I'd much rather use my current solution - Ubuntu vm
;)
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:19
Oh a raspberry pi?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:19
No, just on my laptop
Although that isn't a bad idea
I wonder if I could use my old phone as a webserver
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:19
Ah yeah I use my raspberry pi for private Jenkins server
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:20
I did approach the network owner I develop for, asking for a VPS to put TeamCity on... however he yelled at me saying I had made no progress on any projects for the past 3 months
Which um... is actually true
(Any of his projects)*
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:20
Aw
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:21
I think the argument ended with him saying "And then you expect payment?!?!", followed by me yelling "YOU DONT PAY ME!" and hanging up the call
I then proceeded to download VirtualBox grumbling obscenities to myself
(Natural occurrence)
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:22
So do you work for free SirFaizdat
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:22
I do
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:22
Why?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:22
There are probably a lot of servers out there that are willing to pay you though :)
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:23
Have I told you guys about my new server hosting company
$3 per month for 512 mb servers
myleshosting
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:23
Nice :O
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:23
I pay 3 euro per month for 1gb
:P
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:24
i'm just kidding but if anyone wants to do that kind of deal
and wants europe just pm me
;)
wow mats
:'(
making me lose business!
Who's your host anyhow
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:24
Yeah some crappy thing
but it keeps up 20 tps
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:25
ovh are doing a sale on vps
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:25
I never go to an MC hosting company unless I want a quick and dirty server up
Yeah I order from OVH
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:25
£6 per month including vat for 4gb ram
not bad
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:25
Hm but are the OVH vps powerful enough for minecraft servers?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:25
People use them
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:25
Yes, they are
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:26
My favourite cheap host
is ramnode
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:26
Although I've been trying to get my own machine, having problems with data centers though
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:26
As in dedi?
colo or rent?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:26
No as in
Owning the actual machine
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:26
So colo
I mean, I rent all the dedicated servers I own cause it's cheaper
colo is only worth it if you have beast specs imo
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:27
I think we (as in the network owner and I) gave up on it
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:28
Do you guys use dedicated servers / vps / shared mc host?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:28
VPS and deli server
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:28
For the small network I own, we use 2 dedis
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:28
*dedi
Darn now I want a sandwich (deli)
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:28
We rent from oneprovider who's just a reseller of online.net
pretty cheap
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:28
VPS for proxy and website, and then dedi for the servers
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:28
(We've tried OVH also, it's not much different)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:28
So that if the dedi goes down, the site is still up
My current project is a very large one called The Game Cube, it's going to be all custom game modes
And we're working on getting another dedi for it
Because my plan is to have a part of it designated to computational stuff, such as player data and on-the-fly resource pack generation
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:30
Do you use OVH directly or soyoustart / kimsurfi?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:30
Direct
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:30
so like SYS 1 or what
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:31
I'm not entirely sure of the specs or type
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:31
I'd assume it's probably like SYS 1, ovh can be very expensive ;)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:31
I'm assuming so, we run entirely off donations
We have quite a sum saved up but I'm still begging the owner to be frugal
However every time I turn around he's bought another premium plugin
I know this is a bit off topic, but I hereby profess my undying love for lambda expressions...
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:32
NO
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:33
gasps echo around the room

I do much prefer

return Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers().stream().map((Function<org.bukkit.entity.Player, SpigotPlayer>) SpigotPlayer::new).collect(Collectors.toList());

over

List<Player> ret = new ArrayList<>();
for(org.bukkit.entity.Player player : Bukkit.getServer().getOnlinePlayers()) ret.add(new SpigotPlayer(player));
return ret;
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:35
what magic do you use to make code look like on gitter
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:36
<div>
java
</div>
Trying to make it ignore the formatting

` java

`

DARN
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:37
yoyooyoyo
ahh
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:37
here
There
Adding the language name after the first row of ticks adds syntax coloring
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:38
javascript is my favourite programming language
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:38
There's a little Markdown icon on the bottom right of the chatbox, clicking it will show you all the formatting stuff
I never took the time to learn JS
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:39
it's so broken
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:39
It only became so popular for backend recently, now I'm too lazy to learn new languages
and it shows off how broken it is as a language
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:40
JavaScript is so ugly imo
I'm glad there's a JS compiler for Kotlin
At least it's not Ruby
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:43
Are there currently any plugins / projects that let PE players join Bukkit servers
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:43
Probably not, that's a WHOLE different world
I know there's PocketMine but it's not Bukkit
Heck, they gave up on trying to get Bukkit plugins to run on Sponge, I'm pretty sure no one in their right mind would want to get PE clients on Bukkit servers
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:46
dragonproxy is a proxy That allows you to connect to a bukkit server
With pe
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:46
I stand corrected
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:46
and I think protocolsupport has an experimental branch
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:46
I'm intrigued, I never thought that would ever be possible
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:47
of course it is
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:47
Nothing is impossible
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:47
anything is possible
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:48
With PE and PC versions having so many different features and such, I assumed that Bukkit couldn't suit PE
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:48
As long you translate the protocol right you can
and handle missing features
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:49
Well I just learned two things
A) Not to be so close minded
B) Not to say anything until I've done a thorough search
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:49
introducing ViaPE coming 2019
;)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:50
Oh hey that's my graduation year xD
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:56
Wow such an active team too
DragonetMC/DragonProxy#148
I think that was within 44 seconds of creating the PR
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:57
maybe they just love you
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:57
I was so excited to try it
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:57
Or stalk you
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:57
But then I realized it's 0.14.0 and I have 0.14.3
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:57
Update it
it works
on 0.14.3
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:57
Says Outdated client
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:58
DragonetMC/DragonProxy#147
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:58
But I'm on the latest version of MC:PE so I'm assuming it's trying to say outdated server
Oh that's the problem
I'm using the pre-built jar instead of building it myself
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:59
Are you joining a 1.9 server?
Atm it's only compatible with 1.8
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 20:59
Ah that's also probably a reason
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 20:59
Ag
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 20:59
guys you know what the best mod is
myles 4 years ago rip
Or maybe
you need a bigger creative mode
;)
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:01
The great mod wasn't open-source? :cry:
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:02
I didn't understand how open source worked 4 years ago
I'm sorry
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:02
Lol
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:02
This mod should be hailed as an homage to the old creative inventory
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:03
Man I look at my posts and think, damn I was a noob
"In-game name: MylesIsCool
Age: 14
Optional info: I am a good Builder and Miner, And am looking for a good server! Like this!"
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:03
xD
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:03
Makes me realise a lot changes in 5 years
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:03
So I would've been 9 when you made that
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:04
I'm old :'(
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:04
Very :P
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:04
runs away
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:04
The thing is you kind of have to be old to understand things
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:05
The brain fully develops at around the age of 25, and the judgement center is interestingly the last thing to mature
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:06
my judgement is kill everyone!!
just kidding :)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:06
o.o you may want to wait another 6 years and try judging that again ;)
If it's the same then... well... (joins Mats and runs away)
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:07
The good news, killing is still easy, everyone wants to spam click
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:07
ViaVersion makes it easier ;)
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:07
Or just 1.9 nbt tags :P
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:08
Oops
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:08
I feel like i've been in the minecraft community for so long now
time to quit, k bye
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:09
Back to Runescape
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:09
it's back to club penguin for me
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:09
Or habbo hotel
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:09
Or Webkinz
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:10
i'm surprised things like club penguin are still flash
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:10
Imagine how big the codebase must be, how long it would take to port
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:12
I made my own flash game at one point
it was pretty fun
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:13
I made an Android game once
And I knew how open source worked too :P
Wow the topic changed a lot in the last 3-4 hours o.o
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:16
blame mats
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:17
Wish my Gitter was this fun, there people only talk about the plugin it's for...
No fun
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:24
Nah this chat's still funner
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:25
Haha
uh I don't support IPv6 for my minecraft server
do many people use IPv6 for minecraft?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:25
I certainly don't
I wonder if mcstats has a stat for that
So not much
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:28
How exactly do you support ipv6
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:28
I never really looked into IPv6 though
Idk, if your dedi supports IPv6, will spigot magically also support it?
or is it not that easy
:P
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:30
There's no point
IPv6 can talk to IPv4
But not vice versa
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:31
Well it can if the isp supports it right?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:32
Possibly, but the adoption rate is still <10% of Google users let alone Minecraft users - there's no point
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:32
True
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:36
if you were to build a ticket system
would you use mysql
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:37
I would, no need for NoSQL
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:37
Would depend on the load for me
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:37
Would MongoDB be applicable, is there any advantages?
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:37
It's really fast
thats the big advantage
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:38
Yeah if you're expecting high loads, use Mongo
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:38
I kinda want to build a ticket system in Spring
Just a basic one really
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:38
Spring has support for mongodb collection templates right? :)
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:39
has support for both
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:39
Ah
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:39
I'm pretty sure with spring
if you designed for sql
it would also work with mongo
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:39
That's nice
so it'd be easy to switch
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:45
Hehe
Markdown is a markup language
It's kind of ironic
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:46
What does GNU stand for
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:48
GNU not UNIX
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:48
but what does gnu stand for
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:48
It's a recursive acronym
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:48
;)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:49
GNU not UNIX not UNIX not UNIX not UNIX not UNIX
StackOverflowError
er
Exception
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:53
I'm going to sleep, see you guys later :)
Myles
@MylesIsCool
May 22 2016 21:53
Night night, i'm off too o/
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:54
Goodbye :)
Mats
@Matsv
May 22 2016 21:55
Good luck with your exams tomorrow ;)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
May 22 2016 21:56
^