These are chat archives for MylesIsCool/ViaVersion

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Jun 2016
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jun 24 2016 16:57

'PVP SUCKS!!!!!!' 'MOJANG RUINED MINECRAFT!!!!', and if they gave it a chance, it's most of the time not more than 10 minutes

Have you ever played 1.9 pvp? It really sucks. This fucking delay destroys the "speed" of pvping, 1.9 pvp is slow and boring. ._.

Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 16:57
it makes it tactical?
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 16:58
oh yeah so spamclick is better xD
i like 1.9 pvp, it'm more equal
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jun 24 2016 17:05
@MylesIsCool
"tactical"
Sorry but there is no tactic if I hit with a delay. Yes, spamclicking is shit, but hitting and waiting is more shit. The cooldown time doesnt sound like much time, but if you are a good gamer, it is. It slow down the game. If they wan't tactic, they should add tactical elements. ^^
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 17:06
I think it's a good thing that it has a learning part now, it was previously click as hard as you can to win
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 17:10
^^
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jun 24 2016 17:15
Also if you are a 1.9 clicking pro, it is boring ^^
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 17:16
And spam clicking pro isn't?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 17:16
it's the same as 1.8 pvp then? it just requires a bit of skill to learn
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jun 24 2016 17:20
Just play it. It slow's down pvp. I need arround 100-200ms to aim a moving enemy after a click. Cooldown is arround 400+ms
So I'm ready to hit, but I need to wait. ._.
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 17:38
yeah so you can tactically move at same time?
and you can actually turn around a fight?
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jun 24 2016 18:38
I also move in 1.8 while fighting.
1.9:
100% more delay
100% less action
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 18:39
I think we'll never get on the same line about that ;)
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jun 24 2016 18:41
yep
1.9 has only one good feature. They removed the fishing rod. But nearly every server enabled it. ._.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 20:54
100 new messages yeah xD
hello!
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 21:13
Hey @sgdc3 :)
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 21:14
Hi ;)
@MylesIsCool are you there?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jun 24 2016 21:45

Well people's refusal to update lets me print out messages like this:
[17:42:24 INFO]: [Prison] Using version adapter io.github.prison.spigot.compat.Spigot18

It makes my plugins look cool and complex when they're not ;3

Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 21:56
Haha :)
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:02
Hello!
Myles here?
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:16
@BrunnoFdc I don't think he is available at the moment. Do you have any questions about ViaVersion?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 22:23
yoyoyo
@sgdc3 @BrunnoFdc yo
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:28
@MylesIsCool I want to put Carbon wirh ViaVersion, it's compat? O.o
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:28
carbon is dead
don't use it if you don't wank to blow up your server
xD
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:29
@BrunnoFdc i responded on spigot. The core is probably compatible, the mods are probably not.
Oh carbon
i thought you meant something else
do you use it on a 1.7 server? If yes, it's not compatible
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:31
@Matsv you were talking about Thermos/KCauldron/Cauldron, right?
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:31
Yeah
some kind of spigot/forge combination
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:32
there is only thermos atm
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:32
Never used it ;)
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:32
wip projects: sponge (no please go away) and fountainapi
@MylesIsCool could you give your impression about this?
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:34
@Matsv No, I will use carbon in 1.8 server, like ViaVersion
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:34
@BrunnoFdc then you want to use carbon2
@BrunnoFdc stop using carbon anyway
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:34
@BrunnoFdc hm, it might conflict, you could try? But I'm pretty sure carbon2 is never finished
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:34
it doesn't work anymore
yeah they dropped the project
due to viaversion xD
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:35
@Matsv ok, I wait for a new update with 1.7 support
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:35
?
what do you mean
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:35
if it's exists
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:35
viaversion 1.7 compatible?
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:35
@sgdc3 ys
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:35
@Brunno we'll never support 1.7 ourself inside ViaVersion, you could use something like protocolsupport
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:35
too complex
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:36
@sgdc3 SparklyPower have a private fork of ViaVersion with 1.7 support
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:36
yeah, you should try to use a 1.8 server with both viaversion and protocolsupport
yeah but does it work? xD
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:36
@sgdc3 ys
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:36
is it supported by the author?
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:36
mc.sparklypower.net
@sgdc3 ys²
1.7 to 1.10
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:37
You could use that. However, we'll not provide any support for unofficial versions
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:37
does it have a public or private fork
?
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:37
(if something doesn't work)
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:37
@sgdc3 private
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:37
what's the viaversion license?
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:38
MIT
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:38
so private copies are allowed?
if i remember well
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:39
@sgdc3 I don't know. Not is a private fork properly, he does not publish the source because the servers would leave no credit for his work.
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:40
as long you keep the credits
It's allowed
i think
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:40
@BrunnoFdc that's false
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:40
The servers would call innovation itself , and the server or created the fork , is what he says.
It's a cool Brazilian developer, he created the Droidtale (Undertale unofficial version for android)
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:41
The main question: is this plugin essential to servers? if yes: it must be free and opensource
if no, it can be paid
Anyway, 1.7 support would be very hard to update to future versions
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:43
@sgdc3 He takes 3 days to adapt ViaVersion for 1.7-1.8 ProtocolHack
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:43
If they did it correctly, probably not
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:43
I think it's not too hard.
But is hard, very hard....
For me..
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:44
Is it backwards compatibility or support for 1.7.10 servers?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 22:49
Yeah private forks are fine, the license is chosen to be lenient although it does mean you can sell it. But I'd ask if you did stuff like that, that you donated a good percentage of your earnings back to via as a lot of it is done for free if you're profiting.
@Matsv for 1.7.10 proto hack so 1.7.10 srv
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:50
Ah was that the guy that showed it in the vv discussion about a week ago?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 22:52
I'd assume a different guy maybe not sure :) but hey lots of ways of via to work
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:52
@Matsv
He created a fork that runs on a server with 1.7.10 protocolhack to 1.8, so it enables 1.9 and 1.10 to connect to the server. It's a bit buggy, but he manages to solve no problems
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:54
Ah okay, what is the reason that you are still using 1.7? ;)
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:54
pvp fanatics probably
xD
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:55
@Matsv It's smooth popular in Brazil
For PvP, some Brazilian servers uses 1.5.2
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 22:55
o.o
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:55
(Yes, he uses it today)
it's an example
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:56
Wait what
1.5.2
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:56
ys
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:57
The justification is that: The attack delay of 1.5.2 is the best for PvP
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:57
Any idea why it's that popular in Brazil?
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:58
@Matsv Some Brazilians are retards, literally
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 22:58
Well protocolsupport is probably a life saver in Brazil then isn't it? ;)
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:59
No, I know only 1 server usign ProtocolSupport now
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 22:59
Because they love notch's work
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 22:59
'-'
Oh, and some Brazilians rates the Microsoft bought Mojanf.
Mojang*
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:00
That was end 1.7 begin 1.8 :P
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:01
I do not understand why, they just say that Minecraft was a turd after Microsoft bought Mojang.
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:02
the minecraft community doesn't like changes ;)
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:03
@Matsv I view it ahhahahahaha
Some even say that Minecraft is not the Mojang, but Microsoft, so it was a turd. I really wanted these people to understand that Microsoft bought Mojang, not just the Minecraft
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:04
It'll be interesting to see how Microsoft/Mojang will try to move everyone to the new version (pe/win10) in the future
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:05
Guys we need to speedup this PR merge
Ranks/emojify.js#167
it fixes the wrong emoji in gitter xD
like : / -> :/
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:06
@Matsv win10 version is the BIGEST fail of Mojang/Microsoft e.e
I have a copy, but I never played it.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:06
win10 version is better than pc version
it's coded in c++
java is shit
talking about performance
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:07
It's not finished yet
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:07
@sgdc3 I discord ,-, In the PC version, have Spigot
:)
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 23:07
java can match performance if it's made correctly imo
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:07
?
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:07
And the nukkit community is very poor
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 23:07
it can never get 100% to native on most things
but can get close
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:07
@MylesIsCool if you have a native core maybe
but if you rely on 100% java
even with optimizations
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 23:08
most of the time it's people don't know how to optimise properly
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:08
yeah minecraft pc can be enhanced a lot
but a c++ game is faster anyway
less security checks, manual memory management
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:09
@sgdc3 In C++, my pc don't support minecraft :/
Don't ask me the why.]
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:09
Why?
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:09
My pc is very very very bad
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:10
impossible
xD
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:10
What operating system do you use?
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:10
win10
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:10
@sgdc3 Windows 10 not run here ;-;
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 23:10
Java does optimise really well with JVM & JIT, but the fact is they're recoding Minecraft so of course it'll be much better because you've seen what you have to make. Java has flaws in some areas in speed vs native (eg. Graphics) but otherwise it tends to match it.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:10
and why d you have a copy of win10 edition
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:11
Me runs Windows 7, I tried Windows 10, but do not have drivers for the system
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:11
@MylesIsCool yeah, the first step is to drop lwjgl
xD
and use native libraries
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:12
It's on my hour!
Good Night!
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jun 24 2016 23:12
Bye ;)
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:12
See you later
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jun 24 2016 23:12
See ya :)
Brunno
@BrunnoFdc
Jun 24 2016 23:12
Bye
Mats
@Matsv
Jun 24 2016 23:13
Bye
lenis0012
@lenis0012
Jun 24 2016 23:55
@sgdc3 whats bad about lwjgl