These are chat archives for MylesIsCool/ViaVersion

2nd
Jul 2016
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 00:07
Why not just shade it into your plugin jar
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:20
@SirFaizdat usually a plugin is less them 1mb
if you shade stuff like guava it becames 6mb xD
@SirFaizdat spigotmc admin interface is shit
you can't give permissions to other users
and you can publish malicious software as nobody check it
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:35
@SirFaizdat
Because I only need it in 1.7, so it would be more efficient. ^^
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 00:37
Fair point
and @sgdc3 Yes, but in the words of md__5: the community figures it out soon enough
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:39
^^
Spigot dev's say, plugin dev's should not use nms code. If they need something they should ask for an api. But spigot dev's won't add a PacketAPI or a NBTAPI.
Nice logic.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:44
spigot: it works? well. maybe we can add that? nope let me eat a cookie instead.
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:44
true
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:45
paper: let's optimise stuff, wait, your pr has wrong identation????!!! shame on you never merge pr xD
tacospigot: ehi i break stuff crash
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:45
bukkit: rip
aac: I'm selling my plugin for 20gbp, because it's more than 20€! Oh fuck. brexit.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:46
sponge: i'm shit
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:47
I don't understand why spigot won't add a nbt api :o
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:47
authme: we are never going to publish a release xD (we need first to publish beta number 2001302001)
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:48
Long.MAX_VALUE
I've done a compound and a list wrapper in 10 minutes. All other wrappers are copy&paste. So why spigot cannot add this. xD. And I need to use reflections.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:49
because spigot works, why add stuff? xD
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:49
^^
Lets share NBT API! lol
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:50
the mc dev community is becoming a group of selfish kids who sell shitty plugins.
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:50
^^
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:51
lol i had a discussion with the waterfall developers
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:51
That's something spigot cannot add since months. No. Since years.
https://gist.github.com/sinnlosername/4e1c61ec4218b73f999fff87b2c0b899
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:51
about the patch based commit system
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:52
Boolean.valueOf(true);
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:52
i told them that it makes contribution more complicated
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:52
Told who?
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:52
they said that if you don't know how to use git you are not a good developer
the waterfall devs
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 00:53
Screw you Spigot, I use Subversion :O
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:53
git is fine
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:53
r3kt.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:53
but patch based system is a mess
fuck spigot and paper
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:53
ps What do you think about my nbt classes? xD
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 00:53
I know I was joking
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:54
let's create a common project
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:54
Lets create a spigot version which download's nms code on start and load it into runtime.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:55
md5 killed the spigot development when he moved the github repo to his stash server
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:55
true
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:55
joking? xD
@sinnlosername
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:55
I've got a nice idea!
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:55
paper does exactly that
stop
paper does that ;)
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:56
Lets take spigot repo
and move it somewhere else.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:56
and then write in the README.md

F**k you MD5

xD
grt rekt
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 00:57
Lets write.
"SPIGOT HACKED BY some guys from viaversion chat"
This message was deleted
Then md_5 is angry and he'll delete viaversion. :(
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 00:58
xD
paper is the only way
but they are very annoying during a pr approval
as they start talking about useless performance enhanvements
an example
a guy
sent a working and stable antixray system for 1.10
the pr is open since weeks
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:00
PaperSpigot is nice. It's on git. So I don't need to send 747 personal data to spigot to get access. ._.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 01:00
xD
why md5
why a stash server xD
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:01
Need some help
I've got a very important problem with my wrappers
"WrappedNBTTagCompound" is too long. D:
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 01:02
"We don't provide support for NMS related stuff, sorry"
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:02
^^
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 01:03
please use our api and go to hell
notch was right: never mod my game! you bastard! xD
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:04
Why mojang cannot remove version from class path :(
Or remove them in buildtools. ^^
Adding packet and/or nbt api to spigot:
  • Decrease Wrapper classes
  • Decrease Reflection classes
  • Increase Speed
  • Increase Happiness of dev's
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:09
Does 1.7 contain nbt data? :o
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 01:10
Ohhhh I get it now
Bucket and spigot
So Bukkit and Spigot :O
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:12
TacoSpigot is the best.
why?
They are most imaginative.
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 01:12
taco is nice but valid only with large networks
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 01:12
Bukkit is from a Bukkit.
Spigot from a Spigot.
Paper from a Paper.
BUT
Tacospigot is from a TACO! :o
We not rename Paperspigot to "Spigot AIR". lol
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 01:23
all the project should work together on a versionless vanilla nms wrapper
so bye bye V_1_10
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 03:27
Isn't the entire API just an NMS wrapper?
Because the implementation uses NMS code after all
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:25
I wonder what things would be like if Bukkit were still around (as in the active project, not the API that is maintained by Spigot)
"Thanks for everyone who's contributed to the Bukkit project & the staff which have been behind the project and the community. I wish you guys luck in the future."
-- Myles, August 21st, 2014
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:35
well updates for one would be 10x slower than it is currently
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:35
Yeah that's true
The Spigot team is amazing with updates
This Minecraft song is giving me the feels
But anyway, I wonder if we're better off with Spigot than with Bukkit
Clearly something was going on there, with all the staff leaving by the dozens, and former staff making legal claims (er... a legal claim)
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2rDbRUDkds I remember when this was first uploaded
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:39
The parody, not this one right?
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:39
I think he had to redo it
since all of the old songs suck ass now
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:40
It's because the music studios filed legal claims and had them taken down
Like with Revenge
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:40
yeah I remember hearing about that
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:41
Whenever I feel all stressed about something, I just listen to one of those parodies, or to that "Minecraft's End" song
Replaces the feeling of stress with bittersweet nostalgia
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:42
for me I listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0Tmydj29M since that game was my childhood
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:42
Minecraft's the game of my childhood
And I'm still in my childhood xD
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:43
can't believe it's been 14 years since that game came out
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:43
Wow
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:43
yeah I'm already in awful adulthood :(
minecraft was my high school days
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:44
“Men do not quit playing because they grow old; they grow old because they quit playing.”
― Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr.
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:44
what about when they quit playing from boredom
since that's practically the reason why I barely boot up minecraft anymore
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:44
If they haven't found something new, then they're old
Children always find something to do when we're bored, we don't stay bored
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:45
I pretty much only have one game to play when bored, but sadly I've got no friends to play it with
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:46
What game is that?
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:46
CSGO
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:46
I've heard a lot about that
I haven't played it, I'm not a fan of first-person shooters
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:47
hit reg is terrible in it anyways
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:47
I tend to be over empathetic and the graphics are only getting more realistic
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:48
I tend to stay more towards RTS style games
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:48
It's why I fear grief of loss: if I'm saddened by the death of a fictional character then Idk how I'll be able to handle the death of someone real xD
Ah
I will stand by Minecraft until it's been completely overrun by the 9 year olds that are invading and ruining it
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:49
to be honest, I don't have the greatest relationship with my parents, but it'd ruin me if one of them passed away
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:49
Death is an interesting thing
Even people who believe in an afterlife don't want to die
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:50
gotta make the most of what your life is currently
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:50
But there never has been and there never will be anyone who hasn't died
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:50
even if you hate it
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:50
We've only got one shot at this life (I feel this is a beliefs-neutral statement)
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:50
I'd say if brains are possible to be kept alive even after all organs have failed, then possibly someone could live on for 100s of years
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:51
Well yeah but would we want that?
Death exists for a reason
Overpopulation is going to be a LARGE problem
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:51
for brilliant minds such as scientists, maybe
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:51
Maybe
I think I'd get tired of living after a while
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:52
I already do lol
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:52
I'm always told I haven't started living yet
And maybe that's true, but maybe it isn't
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:52
I'd say the point would be when you're on your own
well, not 100% but away from your family & living in your own home
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:53
I'd be very depressed if I were on my own
That would mean no family or friends to turn to
I'd have to make one but without guidance
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:53
I haven't had irl friends for ~3 - 4 years
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:54
I have few friends, I can even give the exact number of 4 or 5
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:54
the internet is such a great place for making friends, but it's continuing being friends with people & being productive is the hard part
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:55
I thought I had many but I changed my definition of a friend, they were all purged from the database
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:55
at least for me
guessing a lot weren't real friends & just aquaintances?
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:55
Yes
They'd turn on me in a heartbeat
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:56
fair enough
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:56
But because I was so desperate for them, I didn't care
Yive
@Yive
Jul 02 2016 06:56
high school is such a nasty place
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 06:56
Until now that I found true friends
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 07:11
I do have to make the most of my final 3 years of my childhood
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 07:36
I wonder what it would be like to write my own server API, just for fun (not for widespread use or anything, that's implausible)
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 10:08
Hi.
Mats
@Matsv
Jul 02 2016 10:08
Hey
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 10:10
ViaVersion Chat, the only chat where someone answer's to "Hi". :D
Mats
@Matsv
Jul 02 2016 10:21
;)
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 11:59
Why does Viaversion kick players if they are sending to much packet's instead of cancel the packets?
Gabriele C.
@sgdc3
Jul 02 2016 12:00
@sinnlosername that's not true :P
about the hi thing xD
Gitter should have been a place where to talk seriously but when you have more then 20 person in a room it's hard to keep a serious discussion xD
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 12:20
^^
If I write "Hi" in spigot irc nobody answer's me. :D
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jul 02 2016 12:37
@sinnlosername cancelling would be pointless and not effective lol
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 12:38
What is the reason of limiting them?
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jul 02 2016 12:38
Prevent spamming packet exploits?
Primarily the animation packet one?
Florian
@sinnlosername
Jul 02 2016 13:08
The animation packet "dos" attack is only effective if the server work with the packets, because the server need to send a packet to every player if one player is animating. If you cancel the packet it will not rek the server
No packet processing = no server load
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jul 02 2016 15:36
@lenis0012 you know for 1.9.2 chunk reading, did you copy / source your code from anywhere
Myles
@MylesIsCool
Jul 02 2016 21:44
0.9.5 is now out, https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/viaversion.19254/updates credits to @lenis0012, @Matsv :) (and a few others not on gitter)
Faizaan
@SirFaizdat
Jul 02 2016 23:31
And 0.9.6