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    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    yes cute is the word :)
    running it from iPython a la #swcarpentry ?
    Martin Paulo
    @MartinPaulo
    I don’t see why not: you have to import a library, which should be ok, and set your credentials. I’m not sure how the credentials are handled: I’ll have a quick look...
    But if it can be done that be great
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    @MartinPaulo Compared to Libcloud, do you think Shade is simpler?
    Looking for a second opinion.
    Martin Paulo
    @MartinPaulo
    @tjdett I can’t answer properly: I haven’t used either in anger. The initial look at the shade documentation seems to show elegance, but that could just be because the documentation is mostly missing and they’ve cherry picked the one example
    @tjdett But shade is OpenStack specific, and Libcloud is pan cloud, so shade, if done well, will be simpler IMHO
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    We should get Isabell and Damien to have a look at each?
    Grischa Meyer
    @grischa
    pan cloud is more useful
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    I'd look at both if the time is available.
    Martin Paulo
    @MartinPaulo
    @DFFlanders if they have the time, I’m sure it would give good feedback
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    how so @grischa ?
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    Keep in mind that there are some things NeCTAR doesn't do well at the moment that pan-cloud programming like this would be handy for, like spot instances.
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    @MartinPaulo if you can drag them down during #hackyhour might be a good chance to see what they think?
    Martin Paulo
    @MartinPaulo
    @grischa pan cloud is useful: but complexity isn’t. I guess it depends on your requirements.
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    @tjdett greatly appreciated for having a look though please don't feel it is a must, was just having a play myself and wanted your excellent expertise
    use case: researchers playing with the cloud a la #swcarpentry style lesson <-- I'd like to convince Greg (lead of #swcaparpentry) that running the workshops via cloud should be default.
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    I'm not convinced pan-cloud necessarily adds too much complexity, but it's worth somebody doing a deeper dive to see.
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    @grischa is a ninja and I would expect his cloud-fu to be very advanced ;-)
    Grischa Meyer
    @grischa
    lol
    I just think AWS will be wherever people are, and NeCTAR only while at an Australian Uni
    Even when you focus on researchers. Many of them will be forced out of academic research eventually
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    Also, until NeCTAR works out a resource allocation model for letting somebody spin up 100 compute instances for two hours, you're going to find researchers using AWS for at least some jobs.
    Michael Wang
    @mikepcw
    and @grischa of course most talented beer drinker... always welcome at next monash beers
    Grischa Meyer
    @grischa
    when are they, @mikepcw ?
    Martin Paulo
    @MartinPaulo
    @DFFlanders I never argue with Ninja’s :)
    Michael Wang
    @mikepcw
    no set date yet @grischa if you can track down @bmb and co, they can be whenever you want ;)
    Grischa Meyer
    @grischa
    @mikepcw How about in 2-3 weeks? I’ll be away next week. @bmb doesn’t hang around much on here
    Michael Wang
    @mikepcw
    sounds good.
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    Open Container Foundation announced...
    Looks like the Pod is going to be the new micro-service?! ;-) long live miniSOA ;-D
    "Containers on the Cloud are going to be bigger than Apps on Mobile..." #OSCON
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    Ah, I think that may be a slight exaggeration.
    Though I guess it depends on for whom you mean "bigger". It will likely revolutionize IT development and operations, but I doubt anybody outside the tech circles will notice much, unlike apps on mobile.
    In any case, are you talking about the "Cloud Native Infrastructure Foundation" or the "Open Container Initiative"?
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    Kubernetes
    a la Google's borg being open sourced into a foundation that looks like OpenStack?!
    @tjdett I didn't say it, the head of Google Engineering did, see OSCON launch.
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    +1
    sorry on the go via tablet or would have linked...
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    No problem. Both "Open Container Initiative" (aka "Open Container Project" before it was renamed) and "Cloud Native Infrastructure Foundation" have both been in the news, and I wasn't sure which one you meant.

    The full quote:

    "The move from mainframes to PCs completely changed the way we think about building applications. Client server again changed the way we think about applications. Mobile changed the way we think about applications. I think the move to containers and container based deployments and cloud native apps is on the scale of with any of those changes." -- Greg DeMichillie, Director of Product Management for Google Cloud Platform

    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    His argument is pretty darn compelling too. In terms of changing the way we develop and deploy apps, it's a huge change.
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett
    The title just made me laugh: Kubernetes Cluster Federation (aka "Ubernetes")
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    +1
    David F. Flanders
    @DFFlanders
    The year of the cloud app indeed!
    Tim Dettrick
    @tjdett

    For those using Docker, life managing logs just got a lot easier:
    https://docs.docker.com/reference/logging/journald/

    Sure as heck beats exposing /dev/log into a container just so you can output to syslog.