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  • Oct 25 2020 19:02
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SolidNas
@SolidNas
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@UriHerrera Need your help with the installation of Nitrux. Seems that whenever I try installing Nitrux it hangs at error message plymouth failed to start. And it stays like that.
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

@UriHerrera Need your help with the installation of Nitrux. Seems that whenever I try installing Nitrux it hangs at error message plymouth failed to start. And it stays like that.

@SolidNas Hi. That's currently an open issue, see Nitrux/nitrux-bug-tracker#17

SolidNas
@SolidNas
@UriHerrera Thanks man. Do you know if this only happens to certain models? Just tried it on another laptop and it boots past that.
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
What are the specs of the laptops that you used? @SolidNas
SolidNas
@SolidNas
@UriHerrera HP EliteBook 835 G7 with a processor AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U 16 Gb ram and 128 storage
this is the laptop where it hangs
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
Hmm 🤔 it may be missing firmware (no firmware for the GPU no X11), what are the specs of the laptop where it boots fine? @SolidNas
SolidNas
@SolidNas
@UriHerrera Operating System: Nitrux 1.3.7 build.290121
KDE Plasma Version: 5.20.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.78.0
Qt Version: 5.15.2
Kernel Version: 5.10.10-051010-generic
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-8650U CPU @ 1.90GHz
Memory: 31,2 GiB of RAM
Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics 620
this also uses integrated gpu only difference is that this one is a intel and the other one is amd
no worries i will troubleshoot also further from my end. If i find something i will most definitely share it with you. Cheers and thanks for the help so far!
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
I see, this laptop uses an Intel UHD 620, so the problem is very likely the missing firmware for the Renoir GPU in the Ryzen laptop, I'll build another ISO with newer firmware, that may solve it. @SolidNas
vasilis74
@vasilis74
Hi, first post, non-dev question: I found 4GB one piece .iso(s) and 2GB+2GB .iso(s). Is 2+2 live + installer or is it the same with 4? For now I didn't managed to boot from USB, "corrupt kernel" etc. Also confused with md5sum, are all .iso(s) around the same? Now I download again 4GB.
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

Hi, first post, non-dev question: I found 4GB one piece .iso(s) and 2GB+2GB .iso(s). Is 2+2 live + installer or is it the same with 4? For now I didn't managed to boot from USB, "corrupt kernel" etc. Also confused with md5sum, are all .iso(s) around the same? Now I download again 4GB.

@vasilis74 To use the two part files hosted at OSDN you have to join them using the command cat like so cat nitrux-release-amd64_2021.01.28.iso.part.* > nitrux-release-amd64_2021.01.28.iso. OSDN has a filezise limit and our ISO exceeds this. You can download the ISO directly from our server, Sourceforge or using the torrent provided by FOSS torrents.

vasilis74
@vasilis74
Thanks, that 's why 2+2. I just installed Nitrux from nxos.org with guidus, reboot and try again.
vasilis74
@vasilis74
It booted in normal and debug mode, but both times graphics of desktop were flashing, repeatedly notifications about Wired Network enable/disable and some about DHCP, until desktop freezed, before I could launch installer.
This is an old PC: g31t-m7-1 m/b (775 socket), NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 LE] GPU, 1 VGA & 1 DVI display (I had to install Nvidia driver for Devuan and works OK, never worked fine with XFCE-Ubuntu). Also an extra PCI network (Ethernet) card, usually detected as 1st.
I usually install Ubuntu with mini.iso or similar for Debian, is there anything like mini.iso for Nitrux?
I hope PPAs work well with Nitrux, I want PPAs without systemd.
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

@vasilis74 We don't support PPAs; we exclude the program add-apt-repository. The package that provides the program is not installable unless the user forces it (it wouldn't work anyway as the program expects an Ubuntu release codename, and it will fail to add the PPA). However, if you add PPAs manually, do it at your own risk.

PPA repositories aren't tied to systemd or Ubuntu for that matter; they're ultimately standard Debian repositories that can be used by adding their respective source file and GPG key. Of course, if the PPA package requires systemd, it won't be installable.

As for the mini.iso, no, we don't provide a netboot installation ISO file.

About your flickering issue, have you tried adding nouveau.modeset=0 or xforcevesa to the GRUB entry?. Which version of the proprietary drive did you install? The legacy driver (390) is not installable from the repositories; only the current 4xx (460) is.

Was your Ethernet card detected? I didn't get that part.

vasilis74
@vasilis74
The onboard NIC is connected to my router and I saw many repeatedly notiifcations about connect/disconnect, also some about DHCP. But desktop's freeze happened quickly so I am not sure. Probably I have to completely remove the PCI NIC.
I will try nouveau.modeset=0 and xforcevesa. In the current Devuan I installed 304, I don' t know if 460 plays. With Xubuntu-minimal in another partition I tried 1 or 2, I think 304 and 418, but finally I messed up many things, dependencies also, so now I will try Nitrux over Xubuntu if it boots at last.
In Devuan I used some PPAs with some success, but I had problems with dependencies sometimes, with & without PPAs, so I thought to try Nitrux. Will tell news.
Thank you for all the info & help!
vasilis74
@vasilis74
Even Ubuntu abandoned the mini.iso, at least in a simple form, after 18.04. I liked it because I had 5 years support for Xubuntu, without first installing Ubuntu.
vasilis74
@vasilis74
Adding nouveau.modeset=0 or xforcevesa to GRUB options returned a Plymouth error and hanged booting.
Black thunders on the screen where less when I did not cause pop-ups or when disabled pop-ups, but every time, sooner or later GPU was frozen.
The network was correctly connected when at Connection Settings I switched the Link negotiation from Ignore to Automatic.
When Updates appeared I tried to search for NV43 but it is a very old GPU chip, so nothing came up.
Obviously this PC will stay without proper PPAs, if it's to be away of systemd, but I would try Nitrux on others, that need standard repositories.
Thank you @UriHerrera !
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

The onboard NIC is connected to my router and I saw many repeatedly notiifcations about connect/disconnect, also some about DHCP. But desktop's freeze happened quickly so I am not sure. Probably I have to completely remove the PCI NIC.
I will try nouveau.modeset=0 and xforcevesa. In the current Devuan I installed 304, I don' t know if 460 plays. With Xubuntu-minimal in another partition I tried 1 or 2, I think 304 and 418, but finally I messed up many things, dependencies also, so now I will try Nitrux over Xubuntu if it boots at last.
In Devuan I used some PPAs with some success, but I had problems with dependencies sometimes, with & without PPAs, so I thought to try Nitrux. Will tell news.
Thank you for all the info & help!

@vasilis74 I have seen that happen sometimes, but never that it freezes the desktop. What network chip does it use?

Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

Adding nouveau.modeset=0 or xforcevesa to GRUB options returned a Plymouth error and hanged booting.
Black thunders on the screen where less when I did not cause pop-ups or when disabled pop-ups, but every time, sooner or later GPU was frozen.
The network was correctly connected when at Connection Settings I switched the Link negotiation from Ignore to Automatic.
When Updates appeared I tried to search for NV43 but it is a very old GPU chip, so nothing came up.
Obviously this PC will stay without proper PPAs, if it's to be away of systemd, but I would try Nitrux on others, that need standard repositories.
Thank you @UriHerrera !

The Plymouth error message that it's displayed will show up regardless, I believe it's related to the boot script.

vasilis74
@vasilis74
The NIC is:
Qualcomm Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet
but it was not causing the desktop freezes, just the repeatedly notifications about the network connecting/disconnecting. I solved it by switcing Ignore to Automatic.
The freezes were probably caused by the NV43 GPU chip.
About Plymouth error, I don't know what I did wrong. I added nouveau.modeset=0 and also xforcevesa once before and once after the "GRUB ...(something)...DISK=y" setting.
vasilis74
@vasilis74
@UriHerrera
I am a Linux user with some extra curiosity and since I have the rare opportunity to talk with someone involved in OSs development, I'd like to know if it is more complex to offer some preset options in the .iso's GRUB menu (maybe a forcevesa preset), and maintaining a remote drivers database for when the user installs through GUI. Wouldn't this decrease the .iso's size (offering less drivers, for older/rare hardware in the .iso)?
Even a network-install GRUB preset, like the Ubuntu used to offer the mini.iso (I don't know the difficulties in this). I used only this since i found it, 12.04 I recall.
Questions for when there is spare time.
Salute from Greece (Hellas)!
RaymondTheBrave0
@RaymondTheBrave0
I am getting a Plymouth error when starting Nitrux 1.3.7 in Vmware?
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

I am getting a Plymouth error when starting Nitrux 1.3.7 in Vmware?

@RaymondTheBrave0 What are the settings of the VM?.

Juan
@Sarcasmo220
Hello @UriHerrera, I commented on the changelog about how LUKS full disk encryption does not seem to work as it assumes there is systemd. I filed an issue with calamares and they stated openrcdmcryptcfg needs to be enabled in calamares for it to function with OpenRC init. I can try and test it out, but I am not a developer so I need some guidance on how to enable it
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

@Sarcasmo220 The file openrcdmcryptcfg.conf goes in /etc/calamares/modules and it's content from what I found should be

---
configFilePath: /etc/conf.d/dmcrypt

Then add it to /etc/calamares/settings.conf, now the mystery here is where do we add the module, in which step. I'd assume in exec but in what order.

I can't find anything other than the name of the file, its path, and its content. I've no idea if any distribution is using it.
Juan
@Sarcasmo220
Good question indeed. I can test things out in a VM and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the advice!
Juan
@Sarcasmo220
Gentoo uses OpenRC, right? Maybe their config has something on the order for settings too
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

Gentoo uses OpenRC, right? Maybe their config has something on the order for settings too

@Sarcasmo220 They do, though we can look at Calculate Linux KDE instead. I think they use Calamares

Juan
@Sarcasmo220
I'm checking out Calculate Linux but I don't think it uses Calamares. From what I can tell the install is CL's own program made from Python
Nicholas Jacobs
@njakes_gitlab
Hey just a heads up Uri, for the next month the guys at the Linux User Space will be running Nitrux as their distro in review. Not sure if you follow the linux podcast community but these guys have been around for a while and decided to put together a podcast.
Just thought you would want to know.
https://linuxuserspace.show/
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
@njakes_gitlab Thanks for letting me know.
Nicholas Jacobs
@njakes_gitlab
@UriHerrera there used to be a manjaro image with the nomad desktop. That was before they lost everything on their server though and I cant find it anymore. Is there any premade arch based nitrux image?
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
@njakes_gitlab No, we don't build Arch-based images. Howver, most of our stuff is in the AUR.
Phantom-1337
@Phantom-1337
how am i supposed to install nitrux since they removed znx from their github?
Phantom-1337
@Phantom-1337
could someone please help me with this_
Juan
@Sarcasmo220
@Phantom-1337 From my understanding Nitrux no longer uses znx for installing or "deploying" the distribution. It now uses Calamares to install, which will be included in the iso
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera

how am i supposed to install nitrux since they removed znx from their github?

@Phantom-1337 It is. You can find the AppImage at our GitHub organization. However, you must know that the ISO image you download from the website does not work or supports znx. It uses a traditional Linux installer, in this case, Calamares.

Nicholas Jacobs
@njakes_gitlab
Hey Uri, I am running into a bit of an issue. I am trying to boot the latest image but am having trouble. I have a bit of a unique situation. I have a newer laptop with an NVIDIA card that sometimes doesnt like the nouveau driver. When there is an issue it just shows glitched out text across the screen and hangs on boot. I generally just close the lid to make it sleep then open it again. For some reason that will get it past whatever hiccup there is and the graphics then look normal and things boot up so I can install, install nvidia and remove nouveau.
However, on Nitrux I cant make the laptop sleep by closing the lid. I also cant use any cmd line sleep commands. Neither normal or debug boot options work. I also cant blacklist=nouveau in the kernel perameters. Do you have any thoughts on how I can get past this issue?
Nicholas Jacobs
@njakes_gitlab
I just realized the image I have is from the 27th but there is an updated one from the 28th. I will try that.
Nicholas Jacobs
@njakes_gitlab
The updated image worked. It must have been hanging on boot with the previous one. Closing the lid and opening it again will allow the nouveau driver to work.
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
@njakes_gitlab I'm glad that the new ISO solved your problem. By the way, what laptop is it?
Nicholas Jacobs
@njakes_gitlab
It is the Lenovo Legion 15
MotoFufu9k
@motofckr9k:matrix.org
[m]
Hello, I have heard that that nitrux is very AppImage focused. Are AppImages accessable to download via Discover?
I just installed Nitrux in a virtual machine and cannot find any mentioning of AppImages.
Juan
@Sarcasmo220
@motofckr9k:matrix.org A good place to find appimages is through appimagehub.com which has a large collection that is easy to search or browse through categories
Juan
@Sarcasmo220
@UriHerrera I did some research on getting the full disk encryption to work in Calamares. I spoke to someone on the Calamares IRC channel and they said the openrcdmcryptcfg module is meant to be used with dracut module rather than the initramfs module. Since the dracut module would need to be configured, I wasn't able to do a full fix. They provided an example of Redcore Linux configuration as an example of the modules that could work
https://gitlab.com/redcore/redcore-desktop/-/blob/master/app-misc/calamares-config-redcore/files/settings.conf
Uri Herrera
@UriHerrera
@Sarcasmo220 I'll take a look at that