These are chat archives for Sensorica/valuenetwork

18th
Dec 2015
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 04:03
Great! I created an account and updated the OVN wiki.
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 06:26
@mfrangos I sent an email to the mailing list with a link to a prototype page I created based on your mock up. You should have received an invite, but you may not have gotten the email I sent cause you haven't accepted the invitation yet.
TiberiusB
@TiberiusB
Dec 18 2015 08:32
This is what a process logging page looks like after 2-3 weeks of intensive work http://nrp.sensorica.co/accounting/process/885/ Just throwing this in to stimulate thinking about how contributions can be presented, not only for us, to peer evaluate our work and make sure no one is cheating, but also for the customer, who wants to follow the work being done to understand why he is paying for.
Bob Haugen
@bhaugen
Dec 18 2015 09:52
@christroutner @mfrangos @fosterlynn you might want to look at https://waffle.io/
Bob Haugen
@bhaugen
Dec 18 2015 11:03
Bob Haugen
@bhaugen
Dec 18 2015 11:14
Feel free to ask questions or suggest improvements. I added @/all of you as editors, too.
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 15:04
I'm reading through the doc, @bhaugen, Good stuff.
Thanks for the example @TiberiusB . @mfrangos , this example looks like a good use case. I'd love to hear your design thoughts on how to merge something like my prototype into something functional like this example.
Maria Frangos
@mfrangos
Dec 18 2015 15:13
@bhaugen Waffle seems very cool.
Maria Frangos
@mfrangos
Dec 18 2015 15:21
@christroutner I took a look at the example but I can’t come up with design examples without understanding the full extent of the actions users want to take. My first thought was be to create a colour coded visual timeline with detailed information as the user clicks or mouses over. But this is a purely visual approach and not one that could necessarily work in a scaleable fashion. In other words, it’s hard for me to work on improving a complex piece without a) considering the whole b) knowing what we are techincally limited to in terms of time and resources c) having a clearly written scope of the use cases. Maybe it’s not so hard for programmers and engineers but it’s really really hard for me. I need to be able to situate / visualise the work required within a bigger picture.
Lynn Foster
@fosterlynn
Dec 18 2015 15:24

how contributions can be presented, not only for us, to peer evaluate our work and make sure no one is cheating, but also for the customer, who wants to follow the work being done to understand why he is paying for.

@TiberiusB I'm going to use some of your description in creating user stories, those were nicely succinct.

@mfrangos I'll work on user stories after Bob and I take our walk (which is soon)
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 15:31
That's fair @mfrangos. I'll admit, I can't really follow the flow either. Maybe you could have a meeting with @TiberiusB at some point and have him walk you through it?
Oh, I just read Lynn's reply.
@mfrangos Should we set up a time to Skype? I wanted to show you my prototype so that we could discuss the limitations I'm facing - e.g. the differences between the prototype I created and your mock up.
Maria Frangos
@mfrangos
Dec 18 2015 15:35
Sure, how about later tonight? I should mention that I am going to be offline for a while because I am traveling to visit my family in Toronto but they don’t have internet. Plus, I need to take a bit of a break and try to relax from everything. But yeah, we could talk tonight and I will put together some survey questions before I leave. During our call, we could also look at a few themes that I found.
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 15:37
That sounds good. I'm leaving the dock in about an hour, so I'll be at anchor. I'm not sure how well my wifi hotspot will handle a Skype call, but I'd like to try it out. Just let me know a time that works for you. If you're not sure, just shoot me an email about an hour before you want to meet.
Maria Frangos
@mfrangos
Dec 18 2015 15:38
ok sounds good
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 15:49
@bhaugen & @fosterlynn : I read through the how work is organized doc and I have a question. In the NRP as it currently exists, is it possible to set up a project to log non-product work to, then use a value equation to tie that project into payouts?
Here's the use case I'm thinking of: programmers log non-production work for a product. The payout won't be right away because the software is considered an asset with an ROI that will be paid out over time. Just like a 3D printer asset.
But other work like assembly, administration, customer service, etc would follow the recipe & production type work path (hourly pay) that also needs to be considered in the value equation.
Bob Haugen
@bhaugen
Dec 18 2015 17:12
@christroutner not sure I understand what you mean. If people log work for a product, the product is created by a process. So they can log any kind of work, even office or administrative or cleanup work, as an input to the process or chain of processes that created the product. All of that work will also happen in a context, in Sensorica, most likely a project. And people can log non-production work in that same context. The value equation can include both "direct labor" (inputs to the processes that created the product) and also "indirect labor" (other kinds of work that were done in the project context, but not logged as input to any process).
Clear enough? If not, yell.
Lynn Foster
@fosterlynn
Dec 18 2015 17:32
@mfrangos @christroutner I did some more work on the user stories, including dividing them up so the top section or two or three are what you are working on now: https://github.com/Sensorica/valuenetwork/wiki/User-Stories
Let me know (of course) if you have questions, see anything missing, etc....
If it is overwhelming, we can further segment them if you like...
Bob Haugen
@bhaugen
Dec 18 2015 18:10
@christroutner - there's an example of an equation combining direct and indirect contributions on (I think) slide 9 of the value equation tutorial
Lynn Foster
@fosterlynn
Dec 18 2015 18:11

@TiberiusB a little feedback on the process (I just logged my user story work):

There are a lot of types of work used to create the plan, many of them overlapping - do we want to simplify that for this work?

I think the process is too broad, recommend a process for each piece of work or deliverable, even not final deliverables. Maybe this one should be "Initial Prototype People-Project-Logging page" or something like that??

( I also fixed the end date so it will show up on the All Work page.... until we have a new entry point..... :smile: )

Maria Frangos
@mfrangos
Dec 18 2015 18:29
@fosterlynn Thanks Lynn. These are great!
Chris Troutner
@christroutner
Dec 18 2015 23:45
Great user stories @fosterlynn !
Thanks for the guidence @bhaugen. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the whole NRP philosophy. Your feedback makes sense.