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    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    Lynn and I are also basically business application programmers (and business analysts and designers, in Lynn's case). We also lack system admin skills. More's the pity.
    But we do have deep business app knowledge, as I am sure you do too.
    @Radu62s - so to be briefer, you should not need to get a new computer.
    I think it's like the saying "beware of all enterprises that require new clothes".
    Radu Seserman
    @Radu62s

    @fosterlynn

    If a project makes something, and it is sold, say by an exchange firm which is part of the Sensorica network, then the exchange firm runs a distribution where the first bucket on the value equation gives 5% to Sensorica, and the rest goes to the project that made the item sold.
    Lynn it makes a lot of sense here but the previous example where the project is from outside of Sensorica I do not see that "cash for services" will represent well the transaction unless the Service is entered without UOM and price. If it would be a fixed fee as the rent (one time or recurring for a while) yes I would agree. I might be wrong but for 5% I expect the amount of income cannot be determined a priori, since there is no entry in Sensorica's accounting system for either the value of the work performed in the lab or for the sales of the third party. That income stream is aleatory (based on trust) as a donation is but with a completely different accounting requirements. To me it is more like a royalty - it may need its own exchange (if I understood correctly).

    @bhaugen thank you Bob
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn

    @Radu62s

    where the project is from outside of Sensorica I do not see that "cash for services" will represent well the transaction unless the Service is entered without UOM and price. If it would be a fixed fee as the rent (one time or recurring for a while) yes I would agree. I might be wrong but for 5% I expect the amount of income cannot be determined a priori, since there is no entry in Sensorica's accounting system for either the value of the work performed in the lab or for the sales of the third party. That income stream is aleatory (based on trust) as a donation is but with a completely different accounting requirements. To me it is more like a royalty - it may need its own exchange (if I understood correctly).

    Yes good point, you are right the price cannot be determined ahead of time. And maybe it doesn't need the recording of a delivery of a service at all? Makes sense it has its own type of exchange. I don't know how royalties work but maybe that is the right conceptualization, and an exchange type could be designed around it. This type of thing is the challenge of the network, to design these new economic concepts into being. And the challenge of the app, to allow for that, so all kinds of experimentation on new economic forms can be supported.

    Radu, I gotta say, I love the way you are thinking about this stuff. You understand a ton! Obviously more than me on some of this... :) I believe you have read the doc and have also observed how Sensorica works.... and can apply your business-thinking and the creativity needed.... this is awesome!

    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    P.S. Since I can't remember if I said this clearly in this thread, the upgrade I am working on now is to allow the user to define the exchange types and configure their detail event types and their behavior. So you could create a royalty like exchange type specifically for this situation instead of having to pick from what is defined in the app, as discussed above. I think it will be a big improvement for cases like this.
    Radu Seserman
    @Radu62s
    @fosterlynn That you allow for user defined exchanges is awesome Lynn. It's more difficult to program but a better app overall.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Well that is coming, right now it is in a branch on the upstream valnet repository with a lot of work left on it.
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    @christroutner @mfrangos you might find this interesting: https://github.com/GetStream/stream-django
    Looks like we could integrate it.
    (For down the road; I just bookmarked it for now.)
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    @bhaugen @fosterlynn @christroutner - writing the synopsis from our brainstorming the other day with Josh and a new member, Yannick. Will send that out shortly!
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    Yay! Will devour when ready!
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Awesome, looking forward to it!
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    Just sent it out! happy reading!
    Chris Troutner
    @christroutner
    Great work! I just responded.
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    By the way, @christroutner - if you need to implement a work timer, I already got code for that.
    auto-saves every so often.
    (I think once a minute, but you can of course change it, and use whatever you like and ignore anything you don't.)
    (But a possible copy-pasta opportunity.)
    Chris Troutner
    @christroutner
    Wow, that's cool!
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    Some people used to use it. Haven't heard of much use recently.
    People often think they want something but don't really really want it.
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    However, it does work.
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    @christroutner I have a question about the mind mapping software. I can't remember if you created a space for the NRP or if I'm imagining it (highly possible). I wanted to start one off but wanted to make sure there wasn't another link to it.
    Chris Troutner
    @christroutner
    I haven't created anything.
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    OK great. I will do that then.
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    I just downloaded Freemind but realised that we need a web-based version of mapping software that anyone can access. Asking people to install software could be a barrier for collaboration. I also requested an invite to metamaps.cc -which is, I believe web-based. However, I wonder if each user has to ask for an invite or if I can set up the map and invite everyone to view, edit and collaborate. I really want to include as many people within the network as possible to have their say so that we could start creating a road map.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    I suspect that most web based apps will want people to create an account. Might be the trade-off.
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    yeah, i am formulating an email right now so that we could all decide which one.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Let's see if metamaps comes back or if creating an account is a pain in the .....
    cool
    bob and i both have accounts in metamaps; i'll see if i can invite people
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @mfrangos i'm in metamaps making a new map to see if I can invite you.... do we want the map to be public or private or commons (whatever that is)?
    actually never mind...
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    Ideally public
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    well i don't see a way to invite people myself :(
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    i sent them an email, copied you @mfrangos
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    thanks @fosterlynn
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @mfrangos see email, i can help with metamaps issue
    @mfrangos i see your response, glad you got it working
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    Me too! I hadn't used that short cut for years as most software has an earlier right click key combination for Macs
    Alternative, not earlier
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    ah those non-mac people.... we'll have to test our stuff on all hardware in addition to browsers.....
    (not that we did that with NRP.... ) :)
    Maria Frangos
    @mfrangos
    Actually, I haven't run into those kind of issues with the NRP. Metamaps is a bit buggy but they are in beta.