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Sebastiaan Deckers
@sebdeckers
Thanks guys!
(do join if you'd like to spend a morning teaching kids JavaScript :) )
Sebastiaan Deckers
@sebdeckers
hey what's going on with this? someone rewrote the NodeSchool event description with some kind of protest/warning, closed RSVPs, and sent out a "cancelled" notification to attendees the day before the event.
Just saw this on Gitter DM:
Tim Oxley @timoxley Jan 11 00:31
I re-read the NodeSchool event page and I feel the upcoming NodeSchool is too much of an advertisement for Port courses. I don't think this belongs under the SingaporeJS banner. I'd appreciate it if you took it down.
Sebastiaan Deckers
@sebdeckers
@timoxley can you please explain what happened here?
Sebastiaan Deckers
@sebdeckers

For reference, the Meetup event description was modified anonymously to this.

NodeSchool for beginners is still being held at Port Education as planned by them but due to an overly direct link with the commercial nature of their business, and in the spirit of neutrality, SingaporeJS is refraining being an official host of this particular NodeSchool event.

Such initiatives are always highly encouraged of course and are beneficial to the community. Thank you to everyone who volunteered and are going out to make this happen.

=========================

NodeSchool is a free public community event, based on open source exercises (also known as workshoppers) that teach web software skills.

Do them on your own at: https://nodeschool.io or at a workshop nearby, such as this one.

Min
@ongmin

Hi @sebdeckers,

[Disclaimer: I write the following in point form for succinctness and speed since its 2am, not meant to sound curt. If it appears that way, I apologise.]

I can explain the change in the event description better (I did it late last night before going to bed). I saw the event page very shortly before the event (sorry I haven’t been on gitter actively and will be so more in the future) and felt the whole thing was too much an advertisement and a utilisation of the group as an advertising mailing list (which I understand you’re also explicitly against) rather than a normal nodeschool for the following reasons:

  1. "some folks who helped out want to do more NodeSchool events and think there's even demand for additional coding classes so they set up a coding school that is able to host the free NodeSchool sessions on weekends” sounds misleading. It is a profit driven endeavour from the beginning as a general coding school.

  2. I briefly scanned through the group list of 4500+ accounts and found no other organisation accounts in the list, even for those that regularly host and sponsor us at great expense. For those that had company names, they were linked to a person whether in name or photo. While doing that, I removed two other apparent non-user spam accounts. (Just to add, I just decided to send a message to confirm one that I previously felt dubious about but didn’t delete). Therefore it is out of the ordinary that Port Education was allowed to post several messages featuring their Facebook, website, contact details, etc at liberty.

  3. The description was written like a launch introduction for the school, and with several outlinks to their page and Facebook, however there was no mention of SingaporeJS to be found on their page or Facebook. Therefore the event was more of a Port Education hosted NodeSchool rather than one SingaporeJS was hosting.

  4. Other companies or events have wanted to promote their events and we usually do that in the form of announcements at meet ups, courtesy message blasts, etc but in recent history if IIRC, we have not hosted a meetup under the group on their behalf.

  5. NodeSchools are beneficial to the community, you as an organiser are involved and members have already signed up and so as a courtesy, the event was kept listed but with a modified description to clarify that this is a Port Education event.

  6. Very rarely have non-coorganisers been listed as a cohost for an event, I so far could only find 1 or so instance when this happened.

  7. The description was written to sound like they are now the local chapter for NodeSchool with “and now locally supported and hosted by a brand new coding school called Port Education”. NodeSchool is an open source effort and can be hosted by anyone.

  8. Given that you are associated with the school, I hope you can see it from the point of view of outsiders that it reads like SingaporeJS is unofficially endorsing learning with this school, which is not the truth (whether ever or yet) or even how this is approached.

  9. We have been careful with our associations when it comes to commercial interest, and amongst them rejected other coding school type organisations. So this overly close tie up, particularly with an unestablished one came across too sudden and presents some risks to how we’ve tried to stay pretty neutral while balancing the need to have venue sponsors.

  10. This is a coding education company and to host nodeschools feed directly into their own commercial interest. It comes across as strange then that SingaporeJS volunteers or the group should be supporting their business model for free that closely.

  11. I believe in the end we all just want to do what is best for the community, and in the future such events or cooperations can be arranged more carefully/clearly.

  12. And similarly on my end the actions that will be taken (such that I did with changing the description), which I kept Tim up to date with.

  13. The cancellation was made by mistake and quickly reinstated by meetup after I contacted them.

Min
@ongmin

By the way, some notes/suggestions/follow up points/actions:

  • We need to set up the event calendar for the year or half. I’ll start to look into the dates.

  • Venue wise, so far we have Facebook (one off) and SP Digital willing to host us. I’ll try to ask MS this coming week.

  • Looking to move Talk.JS into first/second week of the month to avoid clashes with other similar meetups (Sorry Talk.CSS).

  • Have spoken with Mike about more new blood and volunteers.

  • Check with similar meetups to see if we should cohost (?).

  • Write these organisational status on a centralised page on a repo (?).

Chinmay Pendharkar
@notthetup
:boom:
Tim Oxley
@timoxley
The timing & cancellation was regrettable but I agree with all of @ongmin's points above.
Dheeraj Joshi
@djadmin
Hello organizers, I’ll be traveling to Singapore for an event (Facebook BountyCon) and really interested to propose a talk on Frontend Security covering CSP, Trusted Types and XSS.
The Scheduled event for talk.js is in the second week of April, is there any possibility that I can apply for a slot in the first week of April?
Min
@ongmin
Hey @djadmin there’s a talk happening on 13th March. Are you still here?
Dheeraj Joshi
@djadmin
Unfortunately not. I would be there from March 29th - 3rd April.
Chen Hui Jing
@huijing
@ongmin would like to ask if we could do a joint talk.js + talk.css special edition for the june meetup?
Min
@ongmin
OOO
for JSConf
?
Sure. :D
Min
@ongmin
if we’re planning to do a combination event, that could work
Min
@ongmin
@huijing we have a speaker who would like to talk about css in js for June
Chen Hui Jing
@huijing
let's do it! what day ah?
Brendon
@brendonco
any discount code for JSConf? :)
Chinmay Pendharkar
@notthetup
pinging @serrynaimo
lisaMartini
@lisaMartini
Hi guys, I proposed a talk for April few weeks ago, since the 2 last meetups where in the second week of the month I was wondering if you've already set the date for April meetup, and if you have some info about it ? Thanks
Min
@ongmin
@lisaMartini Hi Lisa, I’ve replied you via meetup and github, wondering if you’ve seen the messages?
@brendonco “SingaporeJS” is the code for 20% off
@huijing sorry ah! text me if I’m too slow to reply! 12 June (wed). Thomas asked to move it a day earlier than just the day before conf so it doesn’t clash with the pre conf party. Otherwise 13 June (thurs) also works, but we should look for a place near the party.
Min
@ongmin
Talk.JS + Talk.CSS = JSConf.Asia Special
@lisaMartini by the way, for the future, you can find the dates for the meetups for 2019 on the README.md at https://github.com/SingaporeJS/talk.js/blob/master/README.md :) it’s the same place as the issues for talk suggestion.
sorry if the info arrangement is not intuitive, we’re aware of it. :(
lisaMartini
@lisaMartini
@ongmin thank you for your replies, I received all your answers
Chen Hui Jing
@huijing
@ongmin YAY...so awesome! :D
Brendon
@brendonco
@ongmin thanks
lisaMartini
@lisaMartini
@ongmin where can we find the video of the talk ? Thank you
Chinmay Pendharkar
@notthetup
lisaMartini
@lisaMartini
thnak you
Chinmay Pendharkar
@notthetup
Depending on when the good folks at http://engineers.sg manage to edit and upload it. But that's where they should end up.
Wu Huijie
@wu_huijie_twitter
hi guys, I am the front-end lead at https://www.hooq.tv, a video on demand streaming service with its headquarters in central Singapore, and I am wondering if you are looking for spaces to host your next meet up. My team and I have helped to host the Talk.CSS meet-up in Feb 2019 and we would like to host more dev group meet-ups at HOOQ's SG office.
Chinmay Pendharkar
@notthetup
🎉
Soo Hian
@shonendumm
Hi, we're using vue.js at nulab (a collaboration SaaS company) and we might have developers visiting SG in Sept and we interested to have him give a talk at talk.js meetup.
Sorry, it's not confirmed yet but I would like to know if it's possible, or how our company can provide or prepare in advance.
Min
@ongmin
@shonendumm he can just pop the talk into the issue on github when it opens: https://github.com/SingaporeJS/talk.js/issues
It’ll be open when the meetup for that month is confirmed (venue and food and stuff). :)
Soo Hian
@shonendumm
@ongmin Icic, thank you. Will check it out. :)
Tim Oxley
@timoxley
I'm proposing we have a rider for venue sponsors https://github.com/SingaporeJS/talk.js/pull/27/files
Chinmay Pendharkar
@notthetup
Teehee.. I have been hearing venues that charge meetups for hosting the meetup cos it costs them $$$ to keep the aircon on after office hours.
Ahem maple tree Ahem..
Tim Oxley
@timoxley
heh