These are chat archives for Spring-Chobby/Chobby

3rd
Aug 2016
ForbodingAngel
@ForbodingAngel
Aug 03 2016 04:30
Tesy
Test*
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 04:45
test
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:09
the moderator icon does not remind me of moderation
if anything, the 6 pointed star could be a sheriff badge
I liked how the previous moderator icon was clearly distinct from the rest of the icons
Gajo Petrovic
@gajop
Aug 03 2016 07:17
+1
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:19
ranks in general seemed unintuitive last time i checked
things with more detail are inferior to same things with less detail
silver is inferior to gold
Gajo Petrovic
@gajop
Aug 03 2016 07:20
silver > gold is ok, if gold reminds of copper
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:20
maybe just some ordering mishaps
Gajo Petrovic
@gajop
Aug 03 2016 07:20
problem is silver > gold > silver > gold
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:22
the lowercase 'libs' directory is annoying
i guess it can denote 'not used by spring itself' but still
Gajo Petrovic
@gajop
Aug 03 2016 07:23
Libs aren't happening
just looks awful
Exts maybe, but it's still something that's usually lowercase
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:25
'Libraries'
/Var/Lib/Usr/Share does have this distinct wrongness to it
/Etc
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:28
idk why forb did a partial copy of the problems with the old ranks
perhaps it is time to fish out the rank redesign threads
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:29
just assimilate istrolid scheme
rank = number of corners
malus noob = empty circle
lowest tier but no longer noob = filled circle
first tier = triangle, can be multiple triangles if subtiers wanted
second tier = square
thid tier = pentagon
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:31
how about the ZK ranks?
ZK has 1,2,3 chevrons for level 1,2 or 3
a silver star with side thingies for 4
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:31
zk ranks have the problem of being zk ranks
as in experience thing, not elo thing
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:32
a gold star with silver side thingies for 7
and a gold star with gold side thingies for 10
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:32
i now realize i don't really know if chobby uses elo rank or ingametime rank
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:33
ingame
I made it the same
as ZKL
I was talking about the ZK ranks though
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:33
that maintains objection about already being reserved for XP
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:33
you could even change the number of side thingies for 5 and 6
aah
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:34
oh, ingame XP
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:35
no contest, i like that scheme and it perfectly fits with forb icon scheme
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:35
@gajop are you the person whom i should bother about org identity bikeshedding
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:36
these ranks have the wrong aspect ratio
but I think the system could be copied
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:36
what is the desired aspect?
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:36
or I guess the stars could just have less wide side thingies
a square
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:36
i was reading about another of those fancy ethereum projects and it had a cool logo, and chobby has random pixel avatar
i could crop these fairly easy i guess
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:36
but we could just use forb icons
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:36
unsure what to do about chevrons
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:36
with this system
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:37
so just sort them?
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:37
the big problem is ranks 5 to 8 make no sense
the ZKL ranks make much more sense
just because 5 and 6 have thin tops while 7 and 8 have wide tops
and 4 has four bars, not just two
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:39
iirc springlobby also has consistent icons
the silver gold silver gold is made fairly clear with ZKL
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:41
it also has clear bigger is better
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:41
although perhaps if I were to use those icons I would swap 6 and 7
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:41
7 is bigger
bigness is the primary dimension
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:41
yea there is a very heavy line on forb
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:41
goldness is secondary
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:41
true
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:41
in forb icons, bigness on 7 is lost
5 is just as big as 8
are they supposed to be so few pixels?
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:43
yes
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:43
it is terrifying
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:44
they were intentionally made like that
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:44
hm
the top bar could be smaller on 5/6
then 7/8 would have increased bigness compared to 5/6
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:45
idk
I basically prefer the ZKL icons
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:45
they are bigger
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:45
they all scale to the same size
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:45
so more pixels can be had?
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:45
tbh that probably extends to the player, bot and status icons
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:46
forb icons are more value per pixel
because they have very few pixels
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:46
not significantly fewer
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:46
4x less
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:46
and that is a technical thing
idk if they have 4x the value
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:47
they only have to have >0.25 value to have more value per pixel
i think i like their style so i would prefer hypothetical forb icons with more pixels, bigger star on 7-8, and five-pointed stars instead of six pointed stars
github search for chobby is mysteriously bad
i see mentions of "RTT" when eye reading which it did not return
chili seems to consider reflow and repaint to be the same thing, triggered by Invalidate
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:52
I don't think we need to get the RTT or DList optimisations
they sound like time sinks
and chobby is very light if you remove all the children from screen0
and I expect to be able to detect when to do that, eventually
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:53
i dislike using the cooler pad
the new laptop doesn't really try to give me low heat burns but i still dislike the heat
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:54
but you already play ZK
chobby isn't going to take more than ZK
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:54
what about chobby+ZK
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 07:54
well actually ZK uses DList so perhaps it would
and chobby is very light if you remove all the children from screen0
and I expect to be able to detect when to do that, eventually
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 07:55
i kind of want to at least try screwing with RTT
Gajo Petrovic
@gajop
Aug 03 2016 08:32
RTT is very important
It makes FTL chili usable in games like ZK and provides hacks like hiding children unnecessary
GoogleFrog
@GoogleFrog
Aug 03 2016 08:35
what hacks like hiding children?
Анархид
@Anarchid
Aug 03 2016 08:39
idling chobby goes like "it's ok if your gpu is spinning hard because chobby is not for idling anyway"
so a chobby for idling should cook less
Gajo Petrovic
@gajop
Aug 03 2016 14:25
Hiding children sounds basically like a workaround to make it not use system resources when not active, which is what RTT seems to do anyway (while still providing a decent display)
ForbodingAngel
@ForbodingAngel
Aug 03 2016 21:14
@GoogleFrog @Anarchid @GoogleFrog I'm out of town till tomorrow morning. I already have a plan for rank icons. Don't worry.