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Gavin Ray
@GavinRay97

I personally think that barebones stores, with util functions and watched/computed properties with an observer/observable pattern to eliminate the need for component state, while also providing the flexibility to do things like declare classes/models with optional and required proptypes and possibly methods in-model is an ideal solution.

Something along the lines of a stripped-down MobX with optional and flexible structure implementation based on app scale/needs.

State management and design patterns around their use are super interesting to me and I love getting wiser folk's views.
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
Another thing I've been thinking about - people really like global stores, for some reason. I usually have very little global state, and leave most state isolated by ui state/component
Gavin Ray
@GavinRay97
Yeah, it's app dependent for me.
Small app, probably one store called "appState"
Larger app, multiple stores with respective names.
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
For smaller apps, using component state and no global store usually gets the job done for me
Gavin Ray
@GavinRay97
Also very true.
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
I usually only introduce global state if, say, the user is building up a single document as they navigate around from screen to screen
Gavin Ray
@GavinRay97
I don't tend to write a store for very small apps, I guess by small app I should've clarified "small by enterprise standards" :joy:
We seem to have pretty in-line views then.
What would the ideal system of app state and the way that components handle binding (i.e. having to declare a state and re-render when state vars are changed versus observing variables in a store and intelligently re-rendering if they change) look to you?
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
I'm not sure. I prefer my state somewhat isolated, with any global state only being injected into the more compositiony components, which then compose a bunch of other dumber view components that get state passed directly to them
Andrew Smith
@silentworks
Are objects passed down through the resolve method immutable?
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
No, though each consumer is passed a separate copy, so if you mutate the object it won't screw any other states over.
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
@silentworks how goes the app?
Andrew Smith
@silentworks
@TehShrike I am at the point of giving up
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
@silentworks whyzat? let me help
Dexter
@neoel
@TehShrike I've got some issues with styling the uiview element, chrome has issues i think in combination with flexbox. Do you have any pointers on styling the elemen?
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
I've never actually tried styling the element directly, that seems like it might have some weird cases. What view renderer are you using?
I'd lean towards <MyStylingComponent><ui-view></ui-view></MyStylingComponent> or <div class="my-child"><ui-view></ui-view></div>
I would only ever consider the ui-view element a dumb placeholder for abstract-state-router, I wouldn't attach any semantic or stylistic meaning to it
Dexter
@neoel
Hmm, lemme try that.
I'm styling the element directly now,
Dexter
@neoel
I've got it a bit better now, but on firefox the elements don't flow properly still...
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
have an example? Also, what templating library are you using - Svelte, Ractive?
Dexter
@neoel
Svelte, don't have an example at hand, will create one tonight (if i get to it).
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
Are you wrapping the ui-view element in a styling element?
Dexter
@neoel
I've got a div around it if that's what you mean? I've got global styling styling that div now.
Dexter
@neoel
I think i've got it working now, making the uiview absolute in a flowing element.
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
What styles are you applying?
Is display: flow the main thing?
Yury Zhuravlev
@stalkerg
yep, it's too silent here
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
aye.
Pat Cavit
@tivac
Using svelte, anyone have an example of passing a route param to a component?
Looks like maybe an activate method?
Josh Duff
@TehShrike
I usually do that in the resolve function just so it's there on the first render
The second argument to the resolve function is the route params
Unrelated: there is an even cooler abstract-state-router chat room over on Discord now: https://discord.gg/G8FrErC
Pat Cavit
@tivac
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