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I haven't tried it myself, but there are samples in VB. 👍
No, I just bump into them everywhere along the vb timeline!
but all new techs and sdks has C# support.
Guys, there is no reason for discussion, we have to find another way if we want VB.NET to have a competitive future.
1st) MS definitely loves C #
2nd) with Guido van Rossum working on MS Python is the new focus.
Perhaps the Basic world will definitely take a new turn, there are many dialects and everyone is separated trying to gain market share.
VB.NET in my opinion is still the best variation, but it is also the most isolated variation.
If we want a place in the sun, we should behave like the F# community or even the C# community, we need to find more people willing to evolve VB.NET, but I doubt that's what VB.NET developers want, it seems that most are already enjoying the idea of following the same steps as C# on Mercury.
Until we create a good path for VB.NET, discussions are in vain
My main questions regarding VB.NET are:
1) Will VB be able to evolve through a community?
2) do we need MS to make this happen?
3) Will MS implement any community-created suggestions?
4) Or we will need to create VB.NET. org?
5) if we create VB.NET .org, how is the relationship with Roslyn?
Can anyone answer these questions?
I think that's our real concern with VB.NET.
What do you think?
@VBAndCs You just couldn't wait until I provided a full response to your post and had to jump with defending your negative views. Many of us have real jobs, families and other commitments. I, for one, was involved with my 4yo and 8yo for Halloween activities. I saw the post, took a quick moment to read what you pointed to and added my quick response stating that I would take some time to respond to it more fully.
YOUR (and other people's) behavior is literally part of the problem. I would argue that it is the biggest problem with VB.
Let me illustrate the problem by taking things outside of the tech space... in 1930 there was a situation where, because of negative thought becoming reality most banks had no money ("Panic of 1930"). Why did this happen? A very few number of banks had issues causing discussion to occur that this must be the trend that all banks will have (regardless of location, size, stability, etc.). This discussion led many to believe that banks were failing (although they weren't) and caused a widespread panic across the entire country with people going to the banks and removing all their money... in turn causing the very thing that they were concerned about. Negativity has VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES. It is literally a happening today. People believed that there would be no toilet paper... made rush of people mass purchasing toilet paper... leading to a shortage of toilet paper.
Is this behavior destructive? Yes. Let's discuss for a moment vaccines. A "doctor" (who, at the time was but no longer is) published a very faulty study that vaccines (in general) were causing autism. It gained traction through media and has held strongly by people of a certain ilk. The study was peer reviewed and found to be utterly false; so much so that either due to this study and/or other factors (it turns out he was motivated by money to generate this faulty study) the doctor in question had is license banned from practicing medicine in the UK. That doesn't change the fact that the ongoing damage has been done. People believe that vaccines are bad and the ripple affect is that we have deceases returning that have been previously irradicated along with the fact that (combined with politicization) there is a heavy resistance to taking vaccines for COVID-19.
These are called self-fulfilling prophesies and negativity has real, very lasting consequences.
Taking to this another slightly different angle. Do you want to be surrounded by negativity? Do you go to places where there is just a bunch of people complaining all the time about this-and-that? Do you think anyone else likes going to gatherings where this takes place? No. Of course not. No one wants to join a community of negativity. So why do you think it is a good idea to continue to be so damned negative? It's exhausting! @CyrusNajmabadi is absolutely correct in his assessment of you. You refuse to take a moment to do any sort of self-reflection. Please, please, please take a moment to do so. And remember the old adage... "If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all."
I recently started reading about the subject of "Dark Psychology"; you are... very literally... falling deep, deep, deep into several aspects of this type of activity. Please stop.
None of this takes away from your contributions; with that said, it's difficult to gain momentum and/or contributions from others if you are going to approach your projects from a point of negativity.
We should be discussing how we can help. What can we do. Where can we affect change. It is OK to see the negativity... but helping to spread it serves what purpose? The problem in your approach is all you are doing is trying to help solidify a narrative. If you believe that VB is dead, then please... shut the hell up and go elsewhere. It's not that hard of a concept. If you want to affect real change, then start by being speaking positively, activity with positivity and accept the helping hands of those doing the same...
I remember a Microsoft representative that shared a story with me that has stuck with me for many years; I'll attempt to share it here. The story goes that when he was a Scout Master (for those not familiar, this is a volunteer role that is handling a group of children) he would have a lot of "complaints" about this-and-that from the various parents. This negativity was ongoing and he had a great way of dealing with it within these common meetings where this would occur. He would listen to the problem being raised and, upon the parent finishing with their complaint, he would respond with something along the lines of "so you are volunteering to resolve this".
This illustrates several points:
“Change is inevitable. Change is constant.” – Benjamin Disraeli
“Be the change you wish to see in the world.” – Mahatma Gandhi
“If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude.” – Maya Angelou
“Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” – George Bernard Shaw
“Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” – Barack Obama
“Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.” – John F. Kennedy
“The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance.” – Alan Watts
“When we are no longer able to change a situation – we are challenged to change ourselves.” – Viktor E. Frankl
“He who is fixed to a star does not change his mind.” – Leonardo da Vinci
“Sometimes if you want to see a change for the better, you have to take things into your own hands.” – Clint Eastwood
“We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.” – Carl Jung
“If you want to change attitudes, start with a change in behavior.” – William Glasser
“In order to change the world, you have to get your head together first.” – Jimi Hendrix
“Change the changeable, accept the unchangeable, and remove yourself from the unacceptable.” – Denis Waitley
“Change your opinions, keep to your principles; change your leaves, keep intact your roots.” – Victor Hugo
“A lot of people get impatient with the pace of change.” – James Levine
“When you blame others, you give up your power to change.” – Robert Anthony
“To change what you get you must change who you are.” – Vernon Howard
“Any change, even a change for the better, is always accompanied by drawbacks and discomforts.” – Arnold Bennett
“We live in a moment of history where change is so speeded up that we begin to see the present only when it is already disappearing.” – R. D. Laing
“A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.” – Winston Churchill
“When it becomes more difficult to suffer than to change… you will change.” – Robert Anthony
“I don’t know if you can change things, but it’s a drop in the ocean.” – Julie Walters
“I can’t change the direction of the wind, but I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination.” – Jimmy Dean
“Change your thoughts and you change your world.” – Norman Vincent Peale
and very true for the current C# space (seeing a lot of very heated differing opinions regarding ongoing changes)...
“Change occurs in direct proportion to dissatisfaction, but dissatisfaction never changes.” – Douglas Horton
and oh so true...
“Our dilemma is that we hate change and love it at the same time; what we really want is for things to remain the same but get better.” – Sydney J. Harris
and I so love this one...
“I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” – Stephen Hawking