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    Michael[tm] Smith
    @sideshowbarker
    singlehandedly employs a pretty big sample of accessibility rock stars
    Peter Rushforth
    @prushforth
    Hi WICG, Maps4HTML CG here, looking for feedback and advice.
    We have a draft Use Cases and Requirements, as I gather this is an important document. Can you have a look when you have time, please? http://maps4html.github.io/HTML-Map-Element-UseCases-Requirements/ Thank you!
    I would be happy to post somewhere, but that sometimes seems to not favour questions and feedback. Maybe chat is the way to go to start with...
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner

    singlehandedly employs a pretty big sample of accessibility rock stars

    i prefer to be referred to as a "Cock Rocker"

    Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    How about Star Cocker?
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Okay that is totally not what I imagined. My sincere apologies.
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    I choose not to click that link
    Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Me neither.
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    @prushforth: Hey! could you join the CG (for CLA purposes) and start a thread about the use cases doc on discourse.wicg.io?
    Otherwise, if anyone here is at TPAC, come say hi! :)
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    @yoavweiss @iandevlin it's nothing nasty just history of rock
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    @stevefaulkner that's what you would say, wouldn't you?
    Peter Rushforth
    @prushforth
    @yoavweiss I am a member of the CG, and I have posted to Discourse: https://discourse.wicg.io/t/use-cases-and-requirements-for-standardizing-web-maps/1161 Thank you!
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    @prushforth Thanks!
    Peter Rushforth
    @prushforth
    IP / CLA question: is everyone who is registered on the discourse.wicg.io site a WICG CG member? IOW do I need to worry about asking people who suggest stuff to join the Maps4HTML CG and/or WICG ?
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    Not a lawyer, but
    AFAIK, discourse discussions don't have to be covered by the CLA
    OTOH, if someone is making a significant contribution over discourse, ask them to join anyway :)
    @prushforth ^^
    Chris Wilson
    @cwilso
    No, they are not necessarily members. IF they are making significant contributions, it's the role of the editorial team of a given repo to ensure they join.
    Peter Rushforth
    @prushforth
    @yoavweiss @cwilso Thank you
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner

    https://twitter.com/adactio/status/662997775882285056

    @yoavweiss @marcoscaceres Can there not be an archive of discourse discussions made available, hosted somewhere that won't go away?

    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    @stevefaulkner data can be exported and archived
    I agree that discourse would have benefited from being server side rendered rather than client side
    for many reasons - archiving, SEO and mostly perf
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    @yoavweiss Can the discussions be outputted to the wicg mailing list as they happen? That way there is a no JS dependent permarecord that can be referenced ?
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    I guess it's feasible
    Need to figure out how
    Michael[tm] Smith
    @sideshowbarker
    Why is the dependence of the permarecord on JS a problem?
    Michael[tm] Smith
    @sideshowbarker
    As long as the Discourse instance continues to resolve to the same expected resource/state, why is it a problem that it requires JS?
    I understand the concern in the abstract, but what I mean is, what's one example of a specific concrete problem that it causes someone in practice?
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    archive.org seems to have trouble with it
    which is surprising, since archive.org should be getting the nojs version
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner

    @sideshowbarker:

    Why is the dependence of the permarecord on JS a problem?

    We already know that discourse in its current state causes problems for some users, providing a record of the goings on in a form that can be viewed in any device by anyone, seems like a fairly simple ask. Its the same reason why i set up a simple minimal dependency record of a11y gitter chat http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/index.html

    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    @stevefaulkner - current plan is:
    1) Allow emails from Discourse to get posted on the list
    2) Register the list as a logged-in discourse "user"
    3) Setup the email notifications of that user to everythang
    Regardless, I think it would be cool if we'd list the accessibility issues of Discourse and push for fixing them
    (same for perf, it would be cool to get server side rendering going for all users)
    Steve Faulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    @yoavweiss sounds perfect, and yes I very much agree that the interaction UI of discourse needs work but it is a matter of time to investigate, file bugs, suggest fixes etc...
    Yoav Weiss
    @yoavweiss
    I'm very much aware of it, but if we want our means of communications to be accessible for everyone...
    (and I would argue that Discourse is significantly more accessible than mailing lists to large chunks of the population)