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    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    label graphical stuff and provide text alternatives to audio (sight vs hearing)
    transcripts for videos are quite popular, sign language on videos is expensive etc
    Sam Howell
    @5am_gitlab
    thanks
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    just get your head around the user groups and their needs and read some wcag guidlines (some of which doesn't apply to adapt)
    Sam Howell
    @5am_gitlab
    Yeah I mean to learn more about accessibility when I can
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/
    Sam Howell
    @5am_gitlab
    thanks
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    :+1: it's all quite straightforward, there is just a lot of it and lots of different interpretations
    then you have to decide if you're going to aim for levels A, AA or AAA
    Sam Howell
    @5am_gitlab
    Yep, it's a whole other discipline I suppose. One of my main tasks right now is to get hold of a free trial for JAWS or similar so I can actually test accessibility for some of our courses. That will then make clear where we need to make improvements (hopefully)
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    nvda is a good open source reader
    jaws has a 40 minute mode where you have to keep restarting
    both are good for chrome, firefox and ie11
    Sam Howell
    @5am_gitlab
    Would you say nvda is sufficient for testing?
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    jaws is expensive, so a lot of corporates use it, nvda is free so has an entirely different audience
    but they both work in similar ways
    it really depends on your market
    but stick with nvda for now as you won't have to keep restarting and it'll be easier to learn
    Sam Howell
    @5am_gitlab
    OK thanks
    skamineni
    @skamineni
    has anybody automated screen-reader tests ?
    Oliver Foster
    @olivermartinfoster
    Adapt as a core team hasn't. I'm not sure about the utilising community. We'll see if anyone else responds.
    We tend to test by hand and use.
    Do you know of any solutions to do this?
    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    @skamineni not sure how much use an automated test would be. only a portion of accessibility is technical. an automated test can't check to see if an image is merely decorative - or meaningful enough to require alt text. or to check whether the alt text describes the image in a meaningful way.
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Good afternoon. I am trying to find some info on the accessibility improvements/changes of Adapt from V3 to V4/V5 - is there a page that details the improvements? I found the V5 demo but couldn't work out how to turn on accessibility mode to allow me to tab between elements. This is the link I found: https://adaptlearning.github.io/v5demo
    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    well, that's because one of the main improvement in v4 was to remove 'accessibility mode' ;-)
    https://github.com/adaptlearning/adapt_framework/wiki/Accessibility-v3-%E2%86%92-v4
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Yes I am very pleased to see that wee man disappear
    Actually I have just tried again and tabbing on my keyboard appears to highlight the screen elements now
    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    IIRC it hasn't actually changed significantly in v5, aside from the implementation of a new API - but it does the same thing as the old one
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Ok thanks Matt I was just about to ask if there were many additional changes from V4 - V5?
    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    the old API (which is a JQuery plugin) is still in place, it just automatically redirects everything to the new API
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Ah OK thanks Matt. Just wanted to get a flavour of the current state of accessibility with it being such a hot subject these days
    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    actually the new a11y API was introduced in https://github.com/adaptlearning/adapt_framework/releases/tag/v4.4.0
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Oh lovely - you guys have sure been busy on the accessibility front - you must love it more than IE8
    Eep school run time.....
    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    so yes the main changes were in v3 - v4 with the removal of 'accessibility mode' so it's now effectively 'always on', unless you explicitly disable a11y in config.json
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster

    Oh lovely - you guys have sure been busy on the accessibility front - you must love it more than IE8

    Hell yes!

    Matt Leathes
    @moloko
    and the 'focus rectangle' should now only appear if you press tab/space/enter/cursor key (again, controlled by a setting)
    there's quite a few new settings
    https://github.com/adaptlearning/adapt_framework/blob/db4e511f4df9b873a4fc9b7d693bf30d1c8b674d/src/course/config.json#L25-L39

    you guys have sure been busy on the accessibility front

    yeah it's not only a lot better but a lot simpler to implement now

    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    We really teased the requirements into some atomised behaviours.
    It's a thing of beauty now.
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Well thank you to all of you for making our lives easier ticking all those accessibility requirement boxes
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    It was happily more than a box ticker.
    :D
    Infuriating, but satisfying
    Paul Steven
    @paul-mediakitchen
    Indeed I probably worded that wrongly - it is a much appreciated enhancement making Adapt even better
    Oliver Foster
    @oliverfoster
    xD